Hong Wu wrote:The LGBT community has historically been targeted for a long time. If we owe other marginalized communities reparations for their past victimization, does the same logic dictate that we owe LGBT people reparations?
Dear @Hong Wu
LGBT orientation and identity are FAITH BASED.
It's like people identifying as Christian and getting harassed.
Or ATHEISTS or Muslims. This isn't genetic like race or birth gender.
INTERNAL gender identity and orientation are personal choice
similar to religious identity.
If you are going to say LGBT people have been harassed and persecuted,
then Trump voters, MAGA hat wearers, Obama voters, people for or against gay marriage,
ANYONE who has been harassed and persecuted or discriminated against
for their INTERNAL BELIEFS and expression of affiliations
would be deserving of reparations.
NOTE: as for LGBT being opposed as "unnatural mental illness or disorder"
if more research were done into spiritual healing that has helped people
change and heal from UNNATURAL sexual attractions, abuse or addictions,
this would show how some cases are NOT natural and do respond to therapy.
If LGBT want corrections to how they have been maligned,
then CHRISTIANS who have been attacked for promoting
spiritual healing to cure unwanted unnatural sexual attractions
and orientation should ALSO be vindicated by CORRECTIONS as well!
SEE below link to interview with Drs. Francis and Judith MacNutt
on their effective therapy work healing people of unwanted homosexuality.
(As many Christians have suffered persecution and political discrimination for their beliefs
that homosexuality can be healed, as LGBT have suffered persecution over cases where
orientation was natural and did not change after healing therapy.)
Interview – Francis Judith MacNutt – Mastering Life
updated link:http://pneumareview.com/conversation-wi ... h-macnutt/
David: Someone has suggested that homosexuals need to have their confused orientation healed before they are allowed into the priesthood. What do you think about that?
Francis: Unfortunately, I don’t think there is that much known among the clergy as a whole about healing the homosexual. That is why we are trying to bring healing back into the church. Even with physical healing, it’s not fully understood in the population of priests that it can take place.
David: You’ve had a lot of success in your ministry with healing the homosexual. What do you do? How do you pray for a homosexual?
Francis: We’ve had some and Judith’s had more actually. She had 20 clients when she was seeing patients in Clearwater who were either homosexual or lesbian in orientation, and they were all healed. Now, it took time. I think that really needs to be said. It is mostly over a period of time and in some depth.
David: Tell a story or two of people that you minister to, Judith, in this area to illustrate how you try to help the homosexual.
Judith: The first thing that has to be said is that they must want to be healed. By and large there are a lot of homosexuals and lesbians that are very happy with their lifestyle. They have found someone that they really care about, and they want to remain in that lifestyle. So, the first thing in coming for healing is saying, Lord Jesus, help me. As in any area of our lives whether it’s weakness, sin, or whatever, we have to ask for the help of Jesus.
David: And how would you actually pray for them?
Judith: The actual prayer itself is not that much different than it would be for anybody else who is wounded in any area of their life. So many of us struggle with broken sexuality because of the way we were raised, the way we were taught, the ways our parents modeled or didn’t model healthy sexuality, because so much of our sexuality is tied up in our identity, and identity issues need to be healed in most people. Very few of us really know the true-self that God created. Most of us function out of a false-self, so getting back to the true-self and the real true sexual identity is pretty much the same process for any issue that we would work with in inner healing. It involves going back to the childhood, and finding out was the person wanted. So many people say I didn’t want a boy, I wanted a girl, or I didn’t want a girl, I wanted a boy, and so there was a rejection of their very sexual identity from the time they were born.
I was reading somewhere yesterday where it was so important to a certain couple that they have a boy, and they had eight girls, and they kept trying and trying and trying, and finally they had to adopt a boy. Well, what message did that give to the eight daughters? You have no value and you were just a mistake. So there are all kinds of identity issues in childhood; there is rejection, there is wounding, there is sexual abuse, perhaps incest, perhaps someone outside the family. But so many of the people that I worked with had real broken identities – they just didn’t know who they were in God or why they were here or where they were going. It would usually take about six months of psychotherapy, inner healing and generational healing for the person to come to a fullness of their identity.
David: It is quite common that male homosexuals haven’t had a positive or strong father figure to call them into masculinity. How do you pray for that situation?
Judith: I found it took a multifaceted approach. We would do the inner healing work with God as father and Jesus as brother coming into the masculine identity that God had already created within them. In a deep father wound we would do the prayers of God the Father becoming their father, which He is, and then healing the brokenness that relates to the earthly father – the deep longing for Abba, with the daddy figure holding and loving them, accepting rather than rejecting them, having conditional love for them. We would have them sit with God the Father and let Him hold them during the inner healing prayer. I would have them listen to the voice of God – “What is He saying to you? Is He rejecting you?” And they would always with great tears of joy say, “No. He’s telling me He loves me, but wants more for me,” and God would speak all these beautiful words of love to them, and they would start having healing dreams and healing images and visions. Once the Spirit started working in them, that would start this whole healing process.
I also asked for help within the Christian community wherever I’ve been, especially in private practice, I would ask for men from the community to come and take them under wing and take them out to dinner or take them fishing, take them biking, do whatever, have them in their home and embrace them as part of a Christian loving family. So it’s not just prayer. This is where the church needs to respond. It’s men and women stepping forward, parenting, what we would call re-parenting in psychology, and bringing them along. And the ones that were able to go through that experience were all healed.