[sokath]

It's not the way all Communists debate things Boondock. I still consider myself a communist. There are just those who can't handle things when they change, or when they don't have the knowledge base to back their statements.

Papergut, this isn't a Soviet/Communist site, this is an all encompassing political debate site, there is no reason why you have to be "protected" from anyone. If they argue with you, argue back. Don't give up and run away just because you can't win an argument. We all have concede defeat sometime. I think you will find that SR has become a lot less like Soviet Empire than you would like though, and you may find yourself a bit surprised.

Either way, best of luck in your endeavours, but please, don't type all in caps.

Cheers,

S./

[Adrien]

It's sad to see members go, especially when they are from our side.

Seriously, it is sad to see people go for that, on the contrary they should stay and calm down blind adversaries of communism, to restore what they, what we, see as the truth.

Anyway, as i saw on another topic, Russian is also thinking to leave... sad to see several members leave at the same time.

Plus, SovietRevolution is all black! That's depressing! PoFo is better, it inspires life and happiness!

[CasX]

THE NEW COMMUNIST COUNTRY HAD NOT GOT PRISONS AND IT WAS MORE THAN HUMANE FROM LENIN TO ESTABLISH GULAGS AND PUT ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE AND CRIMINALS THERE (TO GULAGS) SO THEY COULD WORK FOR SOCIETY RATHER THEN GET THEM SHOT!

By "enemies of the people" I assume you mean enemies of the the government - which in your view I assume 'represents' the people, even if it was not elected from the people, in this case of the government set up after overthrowing the Provisional Government wasn't elected from anyone and simply took power with force. They claimed to represent the proletariat but did not take part in any elections from amongst the people, they therefore didn't represent anybody but themselves, which means these "enemies of the people" are a myth, a label used by a government ruling with force and attempting to push a new political orthodoxy onto the people's revolution - a political orthodoxy where dissent and differing from the party line became a crime, much like that of Russia under the tsars.

"You're still fucking peasants as far as I can see" - John Lennon

[Papergut]

I just could not go without telling you some words. It's not the way communists deal wit other people, Boondock. I can argue with different people, both left-wingers and right-wingers. CasX is a good example of a nice person to talk to, because he, unlike you, has knowledge of the world around and his beliefs allow him to listen to others, not just "you have your own beliefs, I have my own".

There are just those who can't handle things when they change, or when they don't have the knowledge base to back their statements.

Is that about me? You think that I have nothing to back up my words? Why don't you read my last post then? Were there any replies or were there any people that argued with me? No, because my words are right. I'm not talking about CasX because he altered our theme a bit.

Why debate when you are right? Why listen to the ideas of others when you have your own?

1) To persuade others in my righteousness;
2) Because they may have brighter ideas than me. And I did not hear any ideas from you - but I admire that you, at least, know some words like "Red terror" and "War communism", meanings of which you got from primitive anti-communist site.

Papergut, this isn't a Soviet/Communist site, this is an all encompassing political debate site, there is no reason why you have to be "protected" from anyone. If they argue with you, argue back. Don't give up and run away just because you can't win an argument. We all have concede defeat sometime.

I missed the coup on the SE and did not know about SR for a long time, that's the only reason why I stayed here. And I'm not running because I can't win the debate. I gave my whole answer before resigning, and that already means I didn't lose the debate. I stopped participating in CPRF's forums too because they degraded under the "influence" of a category of people that is rapidly growing here.

Anyway, as i saw on another topic, Russian is also thinking to leave... sad to see several members leave at the same time.

I'm glad he leaves too - that shows him being reasonable enough. The bad thing is that it will be difficult for him to find another place to stay...

You could understand my harshness if you were on my place, Boondock. Imagine me calling Abe Lincoln (or any other whom you capitalist pray to) a criminal, bloody killer, freedom oppressor and then giving you a link to an idiotic site full of his "crimes"...

[Skullers]

Anyway ... ultimatly the USSR failed.

by the time it failed... it was NOT communist and NOT socialist...
Lenin and Stalin built a superpower... yet the bullshit propaganda you read says how "disasterous" and brutal all their policies were... it's nothing but bullshit...

communism was an ideal...

pathetic capitalist bs #2/3

Anyway, it doesnt really matter, you will never convince a person raised in democracy that communism

Communism = Democracy

or those that brought it about are anything but evil

Haha!! unless you are a troll... you are an IMBECILE!
only brain-dead morons use the word "evil" seriously.
when you don't understand something, it's EVIL!
when someone's interests are different from yours, ther are EVIL!
news for you: YOU ARE NOT THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE!

I can accept someone disagrees with me

rare. truly rare.

[Proctor]

If you have to leave papergut, then go. I'd like you to stay, but its not my place to try and convince you.

Dri, why is Russian leaving? Did I miss something?

I have never been to SovietRevolution. I don't know how black it is, but its a little too red for my liking. And besides, the PoFo is much better.

[Adrien]

It was on another topic, he said in a reply that he was thinking to leave because the debate was not what it was on SE.. But he only said he was thinking to leave.

[Seamus Warren]

I just heard on CNN, I don't know if it was Dumbsfeld of who said it, but they called Lenin a brutal dictator! What the hell!? Lenin nothing of the sort! If anything Lenin as a smart reasonable man! Thats American propaganda for ya. I wonder if anyone else heard it too.

Lenin was a member of the Beatles wasn't he? D'oh! That was LenOn!.


The father of the Russian Revolution, Vladimir Ilich, better known as “Nikolai Lenin” originally coined the phrase “useful idiots”. This was in reference to the egalitarian airheads and liberals so firmly entrenched in the fields of academia, publishing, the media and politics. And like the poor they will always be with us. Again it seems the “Useful Idiots” have not outlived their usefulness as this piece from the New York Post demonstrates.

I thought Stalin and Mao were the brutal guys responsible for the death of about 20 million and 100 million (of their own people) respectively.

[C-Kokos]

When I heard this shit I upturned the table before me and started screaming and yelling. But this lasted for like 4 minutes only cause...
It was interrupted by a burst of laughter

1) Because there are people who will actually believe this bullshit and
2) Because STALIN was called A FAILED dictator!!!!!!!!

[smithbrian86]

ohhh nooo, somebody said something about Lenin! Get ths guns guys! We gotta defend him!

pffft..... i hate the cult of personality bullshit alot of reds buy into. Communists need to buy into ideas..... not people.

Brian Smith

[Deicidus]

it has nothing to do with personality cult. Lenin never wanted to be an icon but we have to defend him because hes no longer here to do it. By defending him, we defend an idea that still lives today. Lenin was and still is an idea. Its not really about defending Lenin but more defending the ideas he beleived in.

[Seamus Warren]

it has nothing to do with personality cult. Lenin never wanted to be an icon but we have to defend him because hes no longer here to do it. By defending him, we defend an idea that still lives today. Lenin was and still is an idea. Its not really about defending Lenin but more defending the ideas he beleived in.

What about Kim Jong Il in North Korea? Is he the Korean Elvis or what?



Thank you...thank you very much Madeline.

[Deicidus]

He's no more a communist than Bush or Mackarty. He's just a poser for his little entourage. He keeps everything for himself and created lots of classes for his little friends. He only stays in power because of his army. He has neither ideas or goals. The sad thing is that, when he'll fall down, the Koreans will be enslaved by american sub culture. It will become like South Korea.

[Yeddi]

By defending him, we defend an idea that still lives today. Lenin was and still is an idea. Its not really about defending Lenin but more defending the ideas he beleived in.

It would be better if people didn't defend him adn we could absorb everything and move on. Too many people defend a Bastardisation of Lenin/Stalin/Trotsky bah whoever's ideas.. not the true ideas, but an interpretation... don't defend something useing someone elses words... create your own.. You are defending ur own ideas, which may actually have conflicted with Lenin/Stalin.... but ur using their name to do it. let them rest in their graves adn let u live ur life, as u said they aren't here to defend themselves so they aren't here to correct u if u get it wrong.

[SF note: You is spelt with a Y and and an O ]

[Proctor]

...taking his rightful place alongside Hitler, Stalin, Lenin and Ceausescu in the pantheon of failed, brutal dictators.

So who is Ceausescu anyway?

[Krasniy Yastreb]

So who is Ceausescu anyway?

Pleeeeeeeease tell me that's not a serious question.............

[Steve]

Nicolae Ceausescu was the brutal dictator of Romania who was executed on December 25, 1989 following a "trial" set up by military officials who were part of the popular revolution that overthrew him.

[Proctor]

Thankyou Steve. *evil sidelong glance in Yastreb's direction*...

[Linyeika]

Anyway ... ultimatly the USSR failed. SO if u want to look at it like that you can ... communism was an ideal ... brought about not by Lenin alone but certainly we all know his involvement ... if the USSR fails (which it did) then he who first dreamed of a Soviet Union ultimatly failed.

When communism finally fades away from China (which it will) it will be a failure of not only the current day leaders but in the end ... a failure of Mao. Its coming near time that China's communist regime fell ... I give it no more then ten years.

By that reasoning, Lucius Brutus (The founder of the Roman Republic), Cleisthenes (the founder of Democracy, Athenian style), and Thomas Jefferson all failed (the recent “election?” of Bush), and many many more (these are just the ones that are most notable who failed at democracy). Every “empire” dies, every civilization comes to an end. This does not mean failure, just as death does not. The fall of empire is as natural as life and death; nothing lasts forever.

Stalin still has a 53% approval rating, so imagine what it was back when he was saving the entire Soviet Union from Nazi domination? Also, the bs about all of the people he killed as a dictator,
If he was a dictator, then why did he have to make speeches to his electoral districts??!! Not to mention that those skewed numbers also represent deaths of natural cause during that time period. And about the famine thing, I don’t think that Stalin ate all of the grain, so you explain to me why he is to blame, and why other nations also experienced famine during that time period.

More than 100000 Americans fled to the Soviet Union during the thirties, while Comrade Stalin was the leader of the USSR. Did they do this because he was so cruel? Did they do this because he was corrupt? No. They did it because the Americans were cruel, the Americans were corrupt. The Americans were the ones killing people; killing them with child labor, with long hors, with less than money than a man can live on, with all these things and so many more that people all too frequently forget about.

Stalin left this world owning two shirts. He had no palaces. Even his dacha had few luxuries. Compare this to any other leader of the world.