[The_Communist_Threat]

Religion must end through any means necessary. Of course, mass education would be the best answer, but this won't turn those damn christian fanatics to atheism. So, therefore, I believe that those who refuse to see proven fact must be killed. Religion is the worst thing to ever happen to this planet (yes, even worse than capitalism, because without religion capitalism could never exist) and that is why i believe religion should be expelled from this planet through any means, including mass genocide. Of course, some communists will not agree with this (i only care about the opinions of communists or communist sympathizers, because everyone else is ignorant) I believe that communism can only be achieved through mass genocide. And the end will justify the means. Killing every religious person will all but end religion. And for those who believe in a god but not a religion, then they will be allowed to talk to a series of scientist who will tell them why a god does not exist. And this believer will either become an atheist, or become another statistic. This may sound rather harsh, but religion HAS to end for anything to EVER change. Religion holds back the human race so fucking much, without religion we could be so much ahead of what we are, but religion is here, and it is holding us back.

Some communists will say that religion will play no impact in a communist government....but of course if it exists, it will...and religion could take hundreds of years to end through education, and even then it might not go away...and communists see no problem with killing a business man...but they see a problem with killng a parent who has blinded their children from the truth....and that is one thing that sickens me about some communists. So why bother with waiting, when you can just kill them or at the very least, imprison those who spread their religious lies.
Freedom of Religion should not be allowed for one reason, it prevents humans from being humans and turns them into a slave of their "god"...and of course, no god exists.....what proof of this do i have??....well, you were raised in a world where no one ever mentioned god or a creator...you would not even think of it being a possiblity...you must clear your mind of what society has fed you, to know your true beliefs......

(im sorry if i cannot respond to responses that i may or may not get from this....but because of a flaw in the php forums....i will get an "invalid_session" error every time i try to post basically, and i don't believe there is any way to fix it)

[Skullers]

Yes, i agree that religion is reactionary and holds back progress, and not only organized religion, but especially beleif in "god" or "afterlife" or other such garbage. Why build a better life on earth if you get "eternal life after death"? Why do we need justice while "wise god" will make all the judgment after death? These "beleifs" pacify the idiots, makes them passive... not to mention the whole load of reactionary "morals" and "divine truths" that come with the package... unquestionably, this must be eliminated. First of all of cource we want to eliminate the organized church and their ability to spread the disease, though i wouldn't go as far as genocide of religious humans, they are still useful members of society if they are workers and not saboteurs. Their number will shrink and this rotten breed will eventually die out...

and communists see no problem with killing a business man...

Why kill a businessman? We want to eliminate the bourgeoisie as a class, abolish the old relations of production, not just eliminate the individuals... as long as they are workers under socialism and not saboteurs, why eliminate these cadres? (though we will have to watch for some people's lust for wealth and power, parasites must be eliminated)

but they see a problem with killng a parent who has blinded their children from the truth...

I more problem with killing businessmen than with killing christians.

And we will want to abolish the old family relations as well.

PS: what do you think of atheistic religions like Taoism and Buddhism? They are a LOT different from christianity/islam/whatever...

[Truth-a-naut]

Hrmm I find it rather funny that Commies/Atheists have even more faith then Christians... I am sure thats just a coincidence.

[jaakko]

Religion must end through any means necessary. Of course, mass education would be the best answer, but this won't turn those damn christian fanatics to atheism. So, therefore, I believe that those who refuse to see proven fact must be killed.

Are you kidding? What does it matter if there are religious people in a socialist society, when the influence of religion is on decrease, when the precentage of religious people is decreasing (whether slow or fast)? That certainly took place in USSR as long as socialism was implemented. Of course WWII was a back-step also in this regard, but compare the situation of mid-50's to that of 1917. And I recall to have read investigations according to which religion was weakening for some decade or two also after the 50's (it was some Atheist book). Harsh measures don't work here. You'd only alienate those religious people who'd otherwise support socialism. If you expect the religion to disappear all suddenly, well, it won't.

Religion is the worst thing to ever happen to this planet (yes, even worse than capitalism, because without religion capitalism could never exist)

Untrue, capitalism is nothing but the highest form of exploitation-based class society. Capitalism doesn't prerequisite religion. Religion existed before society's divison into classes. It only changed it forms to correspond the new social conditions of slavery and then feudalism. Religion became the tool of the exploiting classes (slavery-feudalism-capitalism), not the other way round.

You preach 'ultra-leftist' measures against religion, while you certainly aren't basing your opinions on the materialistic view of history but on historical idealism. You say ideas are the root of 'social evil', but that is idealism not Marxism.

[Boondock Saint]

I believe that those who refuse to see proven fact must be killed

I got this far and realized one thing ... you are insane.

There is no way I could condone the slaughter of millions if not billions of my fellow man simply because they are ignorant.

I would rather people with ideas like yours were done away with.

[S. P. Laroche]

I believe that those who refuse to see proven fact must be killed

*cough* Hitler *cough*

[arcis]

This forum is becoming more and more funny. Really amusing.
First Mr. J.Winkler wants to execute all people commiting all sorts of lewd acts and now Mr. "The_Communist_Threat" is appealing o kill all religios people. Some kind of intensification. Now I am waiting for someone's post about killing all people who have brown eyes. Why not killing all people, what would probably the best thing, what could happen to this planet?

What is going on over there? Where are the administrators to stop
this crap?

[jaakko]

Again, this is all nuts. As an atheist I too sometimes get angry of how such idiocy as belief in some 'supernatural' can exist and be so widespread even in the developed world. But normally I don't have problems with people believing in god, usually I just ignore the issue in situations where it's not relevant. Even when I meet a jesus giving some leaflets on the street, I don't feel anger at all. I see, he's not trying to be evil, he can't help himself. I know a case where a comrade of mine met a couple of jesuses who began to walk with him and talk of their message. Comrade asked them things. Then, after some time the jesuses somehow got the idea that he was interested in their cult. They asked if he could come with them and only then he told them that he is a Marxist-Leninist, that atheism is his thing. The jesuses surely were amazed.

There is no way I could condone the slaughter of millions if not billions of my fellow man simply because they are ignorant.

People are born ignorant. Ignorance can't be erased by erasing ignorant people. One must be quite ignorant to think so.

[arcis]

Relgion if the admission, that human intellect is not the appropriate tool to understand the existence of the world. Therefore some religios people are ahead of some atheists.

[The One.]

Forbidding religion = crushing freedom.People have the right to believe in whatever they want even if it's stupid.

And in case you don't know Genocide is an horrible act forbidden by international laws...

[Lucifer]

There is no god, granted.....but MASS GENECIDE.....If communism is to be proliferated we need to APPEAL to the people, not wipe the ignorant fuckers out, as Democracy has shown, Ignorant people are easier to rule.

None of you seem to have mentioned the scientific basis of religious belief...Temporal Lobe Epilepsy....a condition of the frontal lobe of the human brain which when stimulated (which can occur spontaneously, but is mostly triggered by musical rhythm), creates vivid images or thoughts. Most of these visions are seen as religious as a belief in an almightu ruler has been programmed into human genes, but the desire to believe has been suppressed in a lot of cases.

Religion is a disease, maybe not fatal, but in cases, fanatical mainly, it could end up like that. Genecide is not the answer, neither is education, religion has run it's course and is dying as i type this, it'll work itself out. The laws of physics dictate that...

[arcis]

"religion has run it's course and is dying as i type this, it'll work itself out. The laws of physics dictate that..."

Which laws of physics dictate the end of religion?

The laws of physics are just an another way to explain the world. And the laws of physics are changing in the course of the time. Ptolemäus, Kopernikus, Gallilei, Newton, Einstein... And which laws will be valid in 50 years?

And as far as I know the laws of physics are working on all things, which can be measured. Matter and all electromagnetic phenomena. How can the laws of physics forecast (dictate) the end of religion, a social phenomenon?

I am looking forward to your reply.

[The_Communist_Threat]

Good to see that not all of you are complete morons, just a few, but it is sad to see that some of you have a problem with killing....all life is meaningless....and if billions of lives must end tomorrow so that a million generations can live in harmoney, then sobeit.

PS: what do you think of atheistic religions like Taoism and Buddhism? They are a LOT different from christianity/islam/whatever...

These people should not be killed because they do not "pray" to an imaginary being. But still, they are things that aim to control people...with the notion that "good happens to good, and bad happens to bad"...which is rarely the case. so, this must end as well, but not through force.

Untrue, capitalism is nothing but the highest form of exploitation-based class society. Capitalism doesn't prerequisite religion. Religion existed before society's divison into classes.

Without religion capitalism could not exist....why would a poor person not steal from the rich???..because of religion....why would a poor person accept their life.....religion...religion is so fucking awful it's hard for me to even believe that people buy it...well, i guess not..humans are pretty worthless after all....

You'd only alienate those religious people who'd otherwise support socialism. If you expect the religion to disappear all suddenly, well, it won't.

i do not choose to appease those that against me. i'm not a politician. i am a communist who believes communism can ONLY be reached through the eradication of religion during socialism. Communism would not make sense if religion existed....if everyone took part in the govt, then religious people would put their beliefs into law.

I would rather people with ideas like yours were done away with.

somone with the name "boondock saint" has to have an IQ below 100, because that movie makes you feel good im sure..."o lets kill for god"...haha...

*cough* Hitler *cough*

i do not condone what hitler did, but i cannot condemn it because we will never know the outcome of his plan. (perhaps humans can only live peacefully when there is one race...i do not, that is why i choose not to condemn nor condone hitler's ideas)

People are born ignorant. Ignorance can't be erased by erasing ignorant people. One must be quite ignorant to think so.

people are born less intelligent than others...ignorance is only gained when one refuses to see the truth.

Relgion if the admission, that human intellect is not the appropriate tool to understand the existence of the world. Therefore some religios people are ahead of some atheists.

understand the existance of this world??..what the hell is there to understand....we randomly occured here, it was just chance...nothing more...there is no secret meaning to life.

Forbidding religion = crushing freedom.People have the right to believe in whatever they want even if it's stupid.

And in case you don't know Genocide is an horrible act forbidden by international laws...

they can believe what ever they choose, but i will kill them if they believe in a god...belief in any god will only bury us all.

Ignorant people are easier to rule.

i do not wish to rule ignorant people...ignorance in communism will only cause that system to fail....as history as proven....

religion has run it's course and is dying as i type this, it'll work itself out. The laws of physics dictate that...

haha, as long as capitalism exist..religion will be going strong...religious belief will end natural just like U$ nationalism will end natural (neither one will end on its own, but through force)

[Skullers]

if billions of lives must end tomorrow so that a million generations can live in harmoney, then sobeit.

Wow! You sound so much like me!

[Zenn™]

He sounds so much like Hitler, thats what I think. Building a future atheist world, indeed? A future Aryan empire? Sounds similar to me...

[Truth-a-naut]

Killing every religious person will all but end religion.

Killing every Commie will all but end Communism.

[arcis]

I see, Hitler is still one of the most fascinating things.

[Boondock Saint]

somone with the name "boondock saint" has to have an IQ below 100, because that movie makes you feel good im sure..."o lets kill for god"...haha...

I read the rest of your pish ... the best i can figure your a psuedo intellectual or a total troll.

I don't much see the need to kill anyone ... though I would agree that no amount of humans means a damn thing ... and communism means nothing as well ... the entire earth is just a drop of spit in the universe and will one day be destroyed just as easily as a human steps on an ant.

Meanwhile we got total tools like you running around making what short time we have hear all the more difficult with your ideas of mass genocide because your dick is too small and killing a bunch of people would make you feel better about yourself.

Communism? Your not promoting communism ... and you arent a threat to anyone but yourself ... I mean ... having your head so far up your own ass can't be good for your neck.

[S. P. Laroche]

i do not condone what hitler did, but i cannot condemn it because we will never know the outcome of his plan. (perhaps humans can only live peacefully when there is one race...i do not, that is why i choose not to condemn nor condone hitler's ideas)

There already is only one race; the Human race.

[Truth-a-naut]

i do not condone what hitler did, but i cannot condemn it because we will never know the outcome of his plan. (perhaps humans can only live peacefully when there is one race...i do not, that is why i choose not to condemn nor condone hitler's ideas)

So your okay with the whole eugenics and genocide thing as long as it doesn't happen to you?