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By now we all know what the New York Times is worth for where it concerns 'identity politics' hucksterism, Islamophilia and DNC/Hillary/Establishment cheerleading, but this piece was interesting nonetheless. It was authored by a 'humanities professor' at Columbia.

The End of Identity Liberalism

By MARK LILLANOV. 18, 2016

It is a truism that America has become a more diverse country. It is also a beautiful thing to watch. Visitors from other countries, particularly those having trouble incorporating different ethnic groups and faiths, are amazed that we manage to pull it off. Not perfectly, of course, but certainly better than any European or Asian nation today. It’s an extraordinary success story.

But how should this diversity shape our politics? The standard liberal answer for nearly a generation now has been that we should become aware of and “celebrate” our differences. Which is a splendid principle of moral pedagogy — but disastrous as a foundation for democratic politics in our ideological age. In recent years American liberalism has slipped into a kind of moral panic about racial, gender and sexual identity that has distorted liberalism’s message and prevented it from becoming a unifying force capable of governing.

One of the many lessons of the recent presidential election campaign and its repugnant outcome is that the age of identity liberalism must be brought to an end. Hillary Clinton was at her best and most uplifting when she spoke about American interests in world affairs and how they relate to our understanding of democracy. But when it came to life at home, she tended on the campaign trail to lose that large vision and slip into the rhetoric of diversity, calling out explicitly to African-American, Latino, L.G.B.T. and women voters at every stop. This was a strategic mistake. If you are going to mention groups in America, you had better mention all of them. If you don’t, those left out will notice and feel excluded. Which, as the data show, was exactly what happened with the white working class and those with strong religious convictions. Fully two-thirds of white voters without college degrees voted for Donald Trump, as did over 80 percent of white evangelicals.

The moral energy surrounding identity has, of course, had many good effects. Affirmative action has reshaped and improved corporate life. Black Lives Matter has delivered a wake-up call to every American with a conscience. Hollywood’s efforts to normalize homosexuality in our popular culture helped to normalize it in American families and public life.

But the fixation on diversity in our schools and in the press has produced a generation of liberals and progressives narcissistically unaware of conditions outside their self-defined groups, and indifferent to the task of reaching out to Americans in every walk of life. At a very young age our children are being encouraged to talk about their individual identities, even before they have them. By the time they reach college many assume that diversity discourse exhausts political discourse, and have shockingly little to say about such perennial questions as class, war, the economy and the common good. In large part this is because of high school history curriculums, which anachronistically project the identity politics of today back onto the past, creating a distorted picture of the major forces and individuals that shaped our country. (The achievements of women’s rights movements, for instance, were real and important, but you cannot understand them if you do not first understand the founding fathers’ achievement in establishing a system of government based on the guarantee of rights.)

When young people arrive at college they are encouraged to keep this focus on themselves by student groups, faculty members and also administrators whose full-time job is to deal with — and heighten the significance of — “diversity issues.” Fox News and other conservative media outlets make great sport of mocking the “campus craziness” that surrounds such issues, and more often than not they are right to. Which only plays into the hands of populist demagogues who want to delegitimize learning in the eyes of those who have never set foot on a campus. How to explain to the average voter the supposed moral urgency of giving college students the right to choose the designated gender pronouns to be used when addressing them? How not to laugh along with those voters at the story of a University of Michigan prankster who wrote in “His Majesty”?

This campus-diversity consciousness has over the years filtered into the liberal media, and not subtly. Affirmative action for women and minorities at America’s newspapers and broadcasters has been an extraordinary social achievement — and has even changed, quite literally, the face of right-wing media, as journalists like Megyn Kelly and Laura Ingraham have gained prominence. But it also appears to have encouraged the assumption, especially among younger journalists and editors, that simply by focusing on identity they have done their jobs.

Recently I performed a little experiment during a sabbatical in France: For a full year I read only European publications, not American ones. My thought was to try seeing the world as European readers did. But it was far more instructive to return home and realize how the lens of identity has transformed American reporting in recent years. How often, for example, the laziest story in American journalism — about the “first X to do Y” — is told and retold. Fascination with the identity drama has even affected foreign reporting, which is in distressingly short supply. However interesting it may be to read, say, about the fate of transgender people in Egypt, it contributes nothing to educating Americans about the powerful political and religious currents that will determine Egypt’s future, and indirectly, our own. No major news outlet in Europe would think of adopting such a focus.

But it is at the level of electoral politics that identity liberalism has failed most spectacularly, as we have just seen. National politics in healthy periods is not about “difference,” it is about commonality. And it will be dominated by whoever best captures Americans’ imaginations about our shared destiny. Ronald Reagan did that very skillfully, whatever one may think of his vision. So did Bill Clinton, who took a page from Reagan’s playbook. He seized the Democratic Party away from its identity-conscious wing, concentrated his energies on domestic programs that would benefit everyone (like national health insurance) and defined America’s role in the post-1989 world. By remaining in office for two terms, he was then able to accomplish much for different groups in the Democratic coalition. Identity politics, by contrast, is largely expressive, not persuasive. Which is why it never wins elections — but can lose them.

The media’s newfound, almost anthropological, interest in the angry white male reveals as much about the state of our liberalism as it does about this much maligned, and previously ignored, figure. A convenient liberal interpretation of the recent presidential election would have it that Mr. Trump won in large part because he managed to transform economic disadvantage into racial rage — the “whitelash” thesis. This is convenient because it sanctions a conviction of moral superiority and allows liberals to ignore what those voters said were their overriding concerns. It also encourages the fantasy that the Republican right is doomed to demographic extinction in the long run — which means liberals have only to wait for the country to fall into their laps. The surprisingly high percentage of the Latino vote that went to Mr. Trump should remind us that the longer ethnic groups are here in this country, the more politically diverse they become.

Finally, the whitelash thesis is convenient because it absolves liberals of not recognizing how their own obsession with diversity has encouraged white, rural, religious Americans to think of themselves as a disadvantaged group whose identity is being threatened or ignored.
Such people are not actually reacting against the reality of our diverse America (they tend, after all, to live in homogeneous areas of the country). But they are reacting against the omnipresent rhetoric of identity, which is what they mean by “political correctness.” Liberals should bear in mind that the first identity movement in American politics was the Ku Klux Klan, which still exists. Those who play the identity game should be prepared to lose it.

We need a post-identity liberalism, and it should draw from the past successes of pre-identity liberalism. Such a liberalism would concentrate on widening its base by appealing to Americans as Americans and emphasizing the issues that affect a vast majority of them. It would speak to the nation as a nation of citizens who are in this together and must help one another. As for narrower issues that are highly charged symbolically and can drive potential allies away, especially those touching on sexuality and religion, such a liberalism would work quietly, sensitively and with a proper sense of scale. (To paraphrase Bernie Sanders, America is sick and tired of hearing about liberals’ damn bathrooms.)

Teachers committed to such a liberalism would refocus attention on their main political responsibility in a democracy: to form committed citizens aware of their system of government and the major forces and events in our history. A post-identity liberalism would also emphasize that democracy is not only about rights; it also confers duties on its citizens, such as the duties to keep informed and vote. A post-identity liberal press would begin educating itself about parts of the country that have been ignored, and about what matters there, especially religion. And it would take seriously its responsibility to educate Americans about the major forces shaping world politics, especially their historical dimension.

Some years ago I was invited to a union convention in Florida to speak on a panel about Franklin D. Roosevelt’s famous Four Freedoms speech of 1941. The hall was full of representatives from local chapters — men, women, blacks, whites, Latinos. We began by singing the national anthem, and then sat down to listen to a recording of Roosevelt’s speech. As I looked out into the crowd, and saw the array of different faces, I was struck by how focused they were on what they shared. And listening to Roosevelt’s stirring voice as he invoked the freedom of speech, the freedom of worship, the freedom from want and the freedom from fear — freedoms that Roosevelt demanded for “everyone in the world” — I was reminded of what the real foundations of modern American liberalism are.

Mark Lilla, a professor of the humanities at Columbia and a visiting scholar at the Russell Sage Foundation, is the author, most recently, of “The Shipwrecked Mind: On Political Reaction.”

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Few points:

1. The 'whitelash thesis' (if you can even call it that) was coined by 'Van Jones'. In the world of identity politics (USA media sphere), how is it that a black man can speak on behalf of the 'angry, white male majority'? :lol: Where is the authenticity in this? Why doesn't CNN and Van Jones respect the authentic experience of the 'angry, white male' and let the 'angry, white male' speak for himself? This bigoted view of an external party is simply outrageous! :excited:

(Or so the BLM thesis would go. :lol: )

2. Worth of college education. This Columbian professor is apparently not acquainted with the average costs of a college education, given the manner in which he speaks about 'people who have never set foot on a college campus'. Even foreigners are aghast at your loopy education-extortion system.

3. Foreign press: the foreign press in European countries has been infected/contaminated by the identity politics of the USA as well. We need only look at the UK, Sweden, France, Germany, The Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, etc. And the Americans can look at their direct neighbour Canuckstan - the very epicentre of left-liberal 'identity politics'. In fact, multiculturalism as an ideological current originally hailed from this accursed realm.
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The left didn't need to unify when it thought it could stack the SCOTUS with far leftists. Now that this is almost guaranteed not to happen, they will need to become competitive in the legislature again. They can't do that under their current approach. I personally believe however that the left is by now too far gone into Bernie Sanders quasi-communist land to normalize and present a message that appeals to everyone. The anti-heartland message has become baked into their ideology. They believe those people represent an existential threat to the planet and want them dead. They're dangerous fools.
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^^

Exactly, I don't see how the people who view this as urgent can reconcile with those who want to achieve change peacefully because the left is basically locked out of any chance of independent governing now that Trump has won. They can't get into congress without getting into governor's offices in states that they view like this.
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The OP wrote:Hillary Clinton was at her best and most uplifting when she spoke about American interests in world affairs and how they relate to our understanding of democracy.

I stopped reading right there. :lol:
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I got to the end, and realized the author hasn't escaped that which he attempts to rise above:

Some years ago I was invited to a union convention in Florida to speak on a panel about Franklin D. Roosevelt’s famous Four Freedoms speech of 1941. The hall was full of representatives from local chapters — men, women, blacks, whites, Latinos.
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As I looked out into the crowd, and saw the array of different faces, I was struck by how focused they were on what they shared


Context is a beautiful thing.
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He pointed out that this crowd focused on their commonalities, exactly what he proposed American society should do - and he pointed out their differences to show that those different "identities" aren't a hindrance to that (which is what the "diversity obsessed" like to believe). Don't know how to simplify this further for you. But hey, you can lead a horse to the water...
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While he focused on their differences.

I don't need it simplified, thanks. If he practiced what he preached, he wouldn't have felt compelled to point out the crowd's diversity in order to support his argument against identity liberalism. I don't mind if you don't agree with my observation, it's mine to make and you're welcome to your own.
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I think its important to note that all politics is identity politics or at least mostly identity politics. Trump does identity politics. Hitler and Mussolini did identity politics, Caesar and Brutus did identity politics.

Marxism has always been identity politics. It allows Middle and Upper Class people to identify as working class. Marx and Engels were the first hipsters, two middle to upper class guys who wanted to identify as proletarians. Modern left politics is just a particular version of identity politics. Here's the thing in a lot of well off modern westerners want to identify as human beings, as world citizens as part of world wide human brotherhood. Again this is not new. In the ancient and medieval world, many of the rich Christian people wanted to identify with the poor. What is a monastery but a recreational centre where rich people can play at being poor people.

But most of all look at primitive tribes with their tattoos and mutilations, they engaged in the most extreme of identity politics, long before they ever saw an evil White man, or an evil Capitalist.
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Rich wrote:I think its important to note that all politics is identity politics or at least mostly identity politics. Trump does identity politics. Hitler and Mussolini did identity politics, Caesar and Brutus did identity politics.


Sabb is apparently the last person not to grasp this. However, it should be pointed out that identity politics is both inevitable and a positive force, within reason*.

This even applies to the white midwest voters who voted what they perceived to be their interest. The concept of whitelash is far too easy and convenient, and it will come to haunt the Democrats. Why would a whitelash manifest itself in a race between two white geriatrics, rather than in Obama's second term?

*'Reason' here refers to elementary civics: there must be a balance between interests of groups and the interests of the nation at large. Both are valid.

Marxism has always been identity politics. It allows Middle and Upper Class people to identify as working class. Marx and Engels were the first hipsters, two middle to upper class guys who wanted to identify as proletarians


Although Marx did indeed identify the petite bourgeoisie (shopkeepers) he failed to predict the rise of urban proletariat into the petite bourgeoisie in the early twentieth century. This was an unintentionally brilliant move on the part of capital, as it gave this emerging 'class' an economic reason not to rock the boat.

However, the lesson was quickly unlearned and we are now seeing the proletarian component of the "middle" class being evicted from this status. Trump was the first and fastest to seize on this, although Bernie gave it a decent shot.
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The Sabbaticus wrote:By now we all know what the New York Times is worth for where it concerns 'identity politics' hucksterism, Islamophilia and DNC/Hillary/Establishment cheerleading, but this piece was interesting nonetheless. It was authored by a 'humanities professor' at Columbia.



Few points:

1. The 'whitelash thesis' (if you can even call it that) was coined by 'Van Jones'. In the world of identity politics (USA media sphere), how is it that a black man can speak on behalf of the 'angry, white male majority'? :lol: Where is the authenticity in this? Why doesn't CNN and Van Jones respect the authentic experience of the 'angry, white male' and let the 'angry, white male' speak for himself? This bigoted view of an external party is simply outrageous! :excited:

(Or so the BLM thesis would go. :lol: )

2. Worth of college education. This Columbian professor is apparently not acquainted with the average costs of a college education, given the manner in which he speaks about 'people who have never set foot on a college campus'. Even foreigners are aghast at your loopy education-extortion system.

3. Foreign press: the foreign press in European countries has been infected/contaminated by the identity politics of the USA as well. We need only look at the UK, Sweden, France, Germany, The Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, etc. And the Americans can look at their direct neighbour Canuckstan - the very epicentre of left-liberal 'identity politics'. In fact, multiculturalism as an ideological current originally hailed from this accursed realm.
Pants-of-dog wrote:There will be an end to identity politics once all racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, religious bigotry, and other forms of discrimination are ended.

So in other words, never. Since xenophobia is rooted in biological tribalistic tendencies, which is why progressive identity politics are some of the most tribalistic groups which exists. And why homosexuals have been more discriminated against in Communist Russia and North Korea than in "Christian" nations such as the US. As well as in many non-Christian or Muslim societies historically such as the Mongols under Ghenghis Khan, and the Aztec Indians prior to the Spanish conquest.

You'd have better luck ending masturbation than you would ending any of those things.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:There will be an end to identity politics once all racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, religious bigotry, and other forms of discrimination are ended.

Yeah right just like the State was abolished in the Soviet Union once Capitalism had been eliminated. Sorry to the six million murdered (sorry I meant accidentally killed) by the Holdomor, this abolishing Capitalism is taking just slightly longer than we promised.
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Scheherazade wrote:So in other words, never. Since xenophobia is rooted in biological tribalistic tendencies, which is why progressive identity politics are some of the most tribalistic groups which exists. And why homosexuals have been more discriminated against in Communist Russia and North Korea than in "Christian" nations such as the US. As well as in many non-Christian or Muslim societies historically such as the Mongols under Ghenghis Khan, and the Aztec Indians prior to the Spanish conquest.

You'd have better luck ending masturbation than you would ending any of those things.


Bigotry may be rooted in tribalism and other instincts, but that does not mean we are all doomed to be bigots. Assuming we are both humans and we both the have same instincts, we then note that I do not go around being knowingly racist to people. Therefore it is clear that these instincts do not necessarily lead to bigotry.

Also, even the most cursory glance at history shows us that small groups of people with a shared identity acting together for political goals have consistently made the world less influenced by bigots.

So while I agree that it is a monumental task, involving many generations, it is not impossible.
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Bigotry may be rooted in tribalism and other instincts, but that does not mean we are all doomed to be bigots. Assuming we are both humans and we both the have same instincts, we then note that I do not go around being knowingly racist to people. Therefore it is clear that these instincts do not necessarily lead to bigotry.

Also, even the most cursory glance at history shows us that small groups of people with a shared identity acting together for political goals have consistently made the world less influenced by bigots.

So while I agree that it is a monumental task, involving many generations, it is not impossible.

Yes, a shared identity, meaning they were unified as one tribe, and not tolerant to outside influence changing their tribe or mission, hence 'bigoted' as you'd call it, rather than 'diverse'.

Good luck getting 7 billion people to agree to go live in the woods, hold hands, and sing "Kumbaya".
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Pants-of-dog wrote:
Also, even the most cursory glance at history shows us that small groups of people with a shared identity acting together for political goals have consistently made the world less influenced by bigots.

So while I agree that it is a monumental task, involving many generations, it is not impossible.



You must be careful when fighting bigots; make sure you step back and evaluate your own side every so often before proceeding, lest you become bigots yourselves. This is the pitfall that has caught the left's illiberal identity politics, leading to prioritization of group identity over individual rights and freedoms. In many ways, the left, with their 'white man boogeyman,' parallels the alt-right with their 'jewish/poc boogeyman.'
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