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#14744443
Today you see a lot of faux-individuals proclaiming how awesome 'individualism' is and how bad 'conformity' is like mindless drones, despite the fact that they have little to no individuality and just repeat this because it's trendy, much like the modern day 'emo kids' who buy their clothes at Hot Topic and dress and think exactly like everyone else in their own sub-culture.

In reality though, excessive individualism is morally degenerate and harmful to the self and society; serial killers like Jeffery Dahmer and John Wayne Gacy for example are extreme forms of individualism and fetishing "freedom" as an end in and of itself.

Conformity however instills a sense of purpose and cohesion within society; this is why athletes and militaries wear the same uniform for example, it's also why we in America all speak English, instead of every person speaking a different language, as society would be unable to function without it.

In the long run, excessive individualism is more dangerous than excessive conformity, even though ideally a balance would be ideal; as extreme individualism on the left leads to anarchy and deterioration, like in the fall of Rome, while extreme conformity leads to less personal freedom and economic progress, yet even those societies are still more moral and stable than the former.
#14744445
Your problem is that you presume that there is one "right" morality and it just happens to be your own. And the problem with people like you is that you hate people like you who have slightly different ideas of morality even more.

I'll take the less efficient society that enables individuality, thanks.
#14744447
That's what allowed Rome to fall, it wasn't 'conquered', it deteriorated from within, the conquer came after the fall, like a lion preying on an already diseased gazelle.

Only way to prevent America becoming so rotten that people become too weak and economically unproductive to govern themselves, and eventually accept socialism and authoritarianism as a result of that, is to start imposing more morality, since democracy only works in a society where many men are strong; when many are weak but few are strong like today, it's only a matter of time before the strong rule over the weak.
#14744450
Scheherazade wrote:That's what allowed Rome to fall, it wasn't 'conquered', it deteriorated from within, the conquer came after the fall, like a lion preying on an already diseased gazelle.

And dictatorships are completely stable and self-sufficient.
#14744454
They are more stable then dysfunctional democracy.

He has a point, democracy functions properly when at least most of the populace is of good moral standing and intelligent enough to understand political issues.

If you don't have good moral standing of people then you have things like bribery happening, crippling nepotism, profiteering, lying and manipulation.

If people do not understand politics, then poor decisions are made. This is not even necessary voters who will make poor decisions, it is people who will get elected. As not having good intelligence and understanding, they are elected into position of power. This way you basically get a closed loop after a while. Where ignorant vote in the ignorant. This is how you get the current situation with liberalism happening.

Naturally, this leaves the system ripe for dictatorship. As over time few people who can gain power, because of their superior intelligence and marality, can bring back stability, security and prosperity. Whereas now dysfunctional democracy can not bring that anymore.

In some sense it is ironic. It could be argued that populism had already taken over democratic system in the west. Especially starting from civil rights era.
#14744491
The moment you are born into an organized society with a code of laws and a police force you are conforming and being conditioned to conform. If you fail to conform you go to jail, undergo reeducation (rehabilitation) etc. The vast majority of people who fail to conform do so by breaking fairly mundane, obvious criminal laws. Very small percentage of the prison population are political prisoners, even in dictatorships.

I think the most stable and efficient form of governance and subsequent core of great societies is the authoritarian republic where a clearly defined domestic elite is allowed to participate in the political process and where the concept of barbarian/incompatible cultures exists to safeguard against bastardization.
#14744494
A stable society must have both. Conformity on it's own results in stagnation. Individuals are required to step forward to bring about change to that conformity. To be stable, you must be elastic.
#14744506
Well Scheh I have to say I find the idea that "individuality is evil and conformity is good" a rather narcissistic idea that fails to conform to modern societies values and priorities. You seem to want remake society according to your own individual whims rather changing yourself to better conform and harmonise yourself with the established society.
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Igor Antunov wrote:The moment you are born into an organized society with a code of laws and a police force you are conforming and being conditioned to conform. If you fail to conform you go to jail, undergo reeducation (rehabilitation) etc. The vast majority of people who fail to conform do so by breaking fairly mundane, obvious criminal laws. Very small percentage of the prison population are political prisoners, even in dictatorships.

I think the most stable and efficient form of governance and subsequent core of great societies is the authoritarian republic where a clearly defined domestic elite is allowed to participate in the political process and where the concept of barbarian/incompatible cultures exists to safeguard against bastardization.


...said by someone who lives in a stable, democratic country.

There are plenty of dictatorships around the world if you want to live under one. Go west!
#14744794
Frollein wrote:How can you people decry the beauty of conformism? :*(

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Better than this:

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#14744967
...said by someone who lives in a stable, democratic country.

There are plenty of dictatorships around the world if you want to live under one. Go west!


China is the closest example. It makes me wring my hands, at how inefficient and wasteful the Australian government is. I have been involved in the paper trail for roadworks around here. $50 million for a 3km stretch of road filled with potholes the year after? 30 years to build a train platform? Trash. Even Austria was far beyond this, it still had that industrial spirit. Once a country loses it's propensity for physical creation and infrastructure expansion, it is basically dead. It can no longer compete where it matters. It cannot determine the future.

Degenerate regimes like this one are short term affairs, designed to trade potential for short term comforts. I look forward to the rule of my PRC overlords. Soon.
#14745050
First order of business; eliminate the regressives. They want to ban australia day because a tiny portion of 3% of the populace (indigenous) are offended by the existence of Australia. What's next...ban us from enforcing local laws on Muslim suburbs in western Sydney, allow them to practice sharia on our streets? Not on my watch.
#14745067
Lexington wrote:If there's anything I've learned from history it's that if you think a regime is degenerate you should run away and establish yourself elsewhere.

How fluent is your Chinese?
No man, why don't you leave and establish your gay progressive liberal paradise some place else, you can have the Muslims all you want there as well. Leave all the normal people in peace.

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