[anarchist23]

This works out at over £750 for every man, woman and child in the U.K. or £1,500 for every UK worker in the U.K.

BRUSSELS bureaucrats are trying to slap the UK with a £50billion fee for daring to defy them by leaving the EU.

The multi billion pound punishment has been branded an exit bill, covering Britain's commitments to the bloc promised before June's historic Brexit vote.

European diplomats are hoping to force the UK to cough up to reach a clean separation settlement.

The whopping sum would cover unpaid budget commitments, pension liabilities, loan guarantees and spending on UK-based projects.

The £50billion figure was reached using economic research taking into account all of the areas that the EU is now saying Britain has to cough up for.

The figure is five times higher than previous estimates.

Michel Barnier, the EU Commission's chief Brexit negotiator, has already told his EU colleagues that he will chase the UK for reparations.

Prime Minister Theresa May has vowed a Brexit agreement will not include free movement
Bureaucrats have also laid out a plan for Brexit that would see any trade deal with Europe put off until five years' time - after a full divorce had been agreed and a transition arrangement put in place.

But the aggressive stance has sent negotiators into panic, fearing that it will lead to complete political meltdown.

One European diplomat involved in Brexit talks said branded the approach "very dangerous" while another negotiator said: "There is a serious risk the Brits say, 'To hell with it, you can sue us'".

The high court's ruling on Article 50 has further delayed negotiations
The revelation comes after Brussels bureaucrats were left red faced after Canada walked out of trade talks because of its intransigence.

Another EU politician involved in Brexit talks said senior officials insistence on punishing the UK for Brexit was running roughshod over its members' desire to reach a favourable deal with the UK.

They said: "They want it boxed off, to focus on divorce, to link budget contributions to the exit terms. Other governments are more interested in the future relationship, rather than the divorce and the money."

Bureaucrats are currently working to a three-year time frame for Brexit - assuming that Britain will start formal Article 50 divorce talks in March 2017, with a deal being sorted the following year and full exit in 2019.

The bloc's chiefs are debating whether they will further punish Britain beyond this point, weighing up whether the UK is still be liable for EU's long-term budget beyond 2019 despite no formal budget commitment being agreed for any countries yet.

The European Commission has refused to engage in any trade talks before seeing a draft agreement on Article 50 but the high court's ruling that MPs must vote on it being triggered has stalled negotiations.

Michel Barnier is now urging for a transitional agreement, with Britain continuing to make full budget contributions even after leaving the union.

Mr Barnier has toured almost a dozen national capitals already, explaining a perspective on talks that one leader described as "absolutely rigid".

The Commission's negotiator has told member states that the divorce agreement has to first sort out Britain's exit bill; the status of EU agencies in London and the rights of EU citizens living in the UK before touching trade.

Brussels officials have said they see any trade agreement as a political pipe dream rather than a solid element of a Brexit agreement.

The news comes as the EU prepares to insist that if Britain has any hope of staying in the single market it has to continue to accept free movement, EU rules, and the jurisdiction of EU courts.

Theresa May told the Conservative party conference last month that the UK was not leaving the EU "only to give up control of immigration again" or to "to return to the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice".

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/732 ... el-Barnier

[Heisenberg]

I have no idea if this will end up being paid or not, but it is amusing to see that the EU is demanding we pay a grotesque sum of money to cover their bureaucrats' pensions. They really seem determined not to learn anything from this whole saga.

[noemon]

Their bureaucrats are also British bureaucrats, why should the EU pay the pensions of British bureaucrats, and Farage's pension as well?

It is only natural that the UK pays for its unpaid liabilities.

[Nonsense]

"The multi billion pound punishment has been branded an exit bill, covering Britain's commitments to the bloc promised before June's historic Brexit vote".

'Commitments' have no force in law, they are not 'contractual', no government has any legal power to make any such commitments binding in law.

If we use 'reason' to make a justifiable argument to mitigate a situation such as EU citizens that live & work in this country the remedy to settle the question is simple.
We simply negotiate a 'settlement', based upon 'equity'.

This is done using actual figures, for instance, suppose that we have 3.5 million 'legal' EU citizens in this country(not including any 'third' country persons), we then subtract that figure from the UK citizens living & working in the EU.

There is some 2 million more E.U citizens here, so the E.U will owe us big time on this against any contested liabilities in other areas.

We now come to the more detailed 'balancing - off' in deciding where the 'net' liability lies, either with the U.K or the E.U.
Based upon real accounting, ALL such persons here or there, must be registered, with their gender, age & Social Security status being calculated to the last penny.

We then settle(in our favour-because there are more EU persons here, than U.K persons in the E.U).

There is no need on this basis, depending on negotiations, to remove anyone 'legally' entitled to be here, as, by 'settlement' from negotiations, the E.U will have liabilities to the U.K.

There remain other issues where such matters need to be settled, some are based upon our 'terms of trade' with the E.U , but which will be settled in an equally mutually agreeable way, or not, as the case may be.

Some areas, such as the LHC, as well as other research projects, are where such 'commitments' must be honoured & continued for the common good.

Any 'political' project 'commitments' should be abandoned as null & void.

These 'political' project's cost should be stripped from any final settlement.

Before any 'settlement' is finally agreed, every single claim on this country's public purse, must be forensically examined down to the last penny, legally challenged according to English law where any such claims do not fall within our treaty obligations & rejected absolutely when they fall within 'political' or 'spurious' 'commitments'.

Any established liabilities arising after examination-establishment, can be negotiated for payment(if any such liability on our part arises)within the V.A.T system.
Any trade deficit with Europe can be settled(listen TRUMP versus CHINA)by making the EU buy our products & services to clear any such debts.
We should also submit our own counter claims in respect of any 'settlement' that is contrary to our own interest, such as any E.U decisions regarding the City of London financial centre, having negative consequences.

If Theresa MAY agrees any 'settlement' that includes continued migration, even if mutual, she will feel the full force of the Damocles's sword upon her shoulders in 2020 from the electorate.

[anarchist23]

Chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier is set a demand €57bn (£48bn) in a divorce settlement from Britain following talks in Brussels this week.

Sky News understands the precise figure was agreed at a meeting on Monday, in which France and Germany demanded the UK is forced to pay upwards of €70bn (£59bn).

Britain is committed to tens of billions of euro in spending on EU wide projects up until 2020 as well as the pensions of officials.

The discussion ended with an agreement that any trade negotiations could only begin when the final bill is reached.

Britain had hoped that any future EU trade agreement could be agreed in parallel.

The technical meeting, ahead of Theresa May triggering Article 50 next month, is likely to cause problems as any settlement will be disputed.

In a wide-ranging discussion it was also concluded that reciprocal rights for EU nationals would have to start from "ground zero".

This is despite the Prime Minister wanting to settle the rights of EU nationals in the UK and British nationals elsewhere as a priority.

Sources close to the negotiations revealed that Brexit Secretary David Davis may have to spend up to two days a week in face to face talks with Mr Barnier.

There is also increasing concern in Brussels and Dublin that the impact of custom controls on Northern Irish has been underestimated.

The Irish Prime Minister, Enda Kenny, on a tour of European capitals said in Warsaw on Thursday, said: "We have a particular set of circumstances in Ireland.

"We are the only place in the EU where there is a peace process, supported by both the European Union and the United States, and this gives us special status as it is."

He added: "The Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland are both the places most adversely affected by Brexit, and we need to be imaginative and creative as to how we deal with the situation.

"It does give us a special situation, which is increasingly recognised in Europe."

http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-negoti ... u-10761933

[Decky]

We should blockade Europe using the royal navy until it sees sense. If it takes starving civilians to bring the Europeans to the table to discus things openly and honestly then so be it. We have done it before and we can do it again. In some ways it might be better then the migrants have take Europe over totally and Britain remains the last bastion of western civilisation protected by the channel.

[anarchist23]

We should blockade Europe using the royal navy until it sees sense. If it takes starving civilians to bring the Europeans to the table to discus things openly and honestly then so be it. We have done it before and we can do it again. In some ways it might be better then the migrants have take Europe over totally and Britain remains the last bastion of western civilisation protected by the channel.

Now, I know you're joking.

[Decky]

It is never a nice thing to do Anarchist but it was only be starving the German population to the point where they were dying in their thousands that the German Empire started contemplating ending their war on the free nations of Europe. I would rather it didn't come to this but the EU seem to want a fight and we do not have to power to make them see sense any other way. They have no militaries worth mentioning (unless you count France ), it is time to use the only leverage that we have.