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#14784205
This is basically a mash-up of two of my other recent trains of thought. Perhaps I'm watching too much Alex Jones but I'm starting to wonder if white liberals and white conservatives can still be considered members of the same race.

First, white liberals seem obsessed with rejecting their status as white people. If they hate on white people enough, say they want them all to die, yet seemingly they do not include themselves in this, is it a good idea to still consider them to be white? How much of their power and relevance is due to them not getting what they keep asking for?

Second, everything that white liberals do seems to be related to cowardice: they move away from and self-segregate from minorities (run away from them), then take the side of the most hostile minorities in every argument that arises (taking the side of the people they ran away from), then do things like call for a military coup against Trump even though most of them would never touch a weapon. Cowardice seems to define every single thing they do and cowardice is not traditionally considered to be a western characteristic.

This brings me to my conclusion, these people do not want to be white/western and they don't act like they are. Are these really the same people as other kinds of whites or are they, for lack of a better term, "homo domesticus", just voting and microphone units that will never exhibit any agency besides berserk sexual obsessions and faux self-hatred?
#14784278
Hong Wu wrote:Perhaps I'm watching too much Alex Jones

Any amount of Alex Jones is too much. Do you watch him because you like looking at mentally ill people? If so, that would be cruel.

but I'm starting to wonder if white liberals and white conservatives can still be considered members of the same race.

First, white liberals seem obsessed with rejecting their status as white people. If they hate on white people enough, say they want them all to die, yet seemingly they do not include themselves in this, is it a good idea to still consider them to be white? How much of their power and relevance is due to them not getting what they keep asking for?

Second, everything that white liberals do seems to be related to cowardice: they move away from and self-segregate from minorities (run away from them), then take the side of the most hostile minorities in every argument that arises (taking the side of the people they ran away from), then do things like call for a military coup against Trump even though most of them would never touch a weapon. Cowardice seems to define every single thing they do and cowardice is not traditionally considered to be a western characteristic.

This brings me to my conclusion, these people do not want to be white/western and they don't act like they are. Are these really the same people as other kinds of whites or are they, for lack of a better term, "homo domesticus", just voting and microphone units that will never exhibit any agency besides berserk sexual obsessions and faux self-hatred?

What is it about the word "liberal" that makes so many people on the internet decide to use it to describe a situation completely unrelated to reality? You may as well substitute the word 'ghost' for 'liberal', and it'd be no more of a fantasy. This rant is so unhinged and pointless. I can't even see why you've used the word 'domesticus' - this picture you paint of your imaginary foes has nothing to do with "domestication". Was that just as clickbait, because god knows, most threads with "liberals" in the title these days just end up as an unthinking shaking of fists at passing clouds, and I imagine most people who might be called a 'liberal' will never bother opening them.
#14784380
Alex Jones talks a lot. The last friend I had who idolized the guy...have not heard from him in ages. The friend would rant at me for hours about what Alex Jones said. Ohhh, that was not fun.

Whites are whites, regardless of political views.

To use a silly quote, "You white people all look the same!"

Race is based on physical and biological characteristics, not opinions or views.
#14784383
Hong Wu wrote:First, white liberals seem obsessed with rejecting their status as white people.

It is almost like they don't think of whites as supreme in some way.

Or that we don't hyper-analyze race.

/nothing intelligent can follow that quote so I'll stop reading there
#14784842
I feel like I should walk back this post, not considering SJW's to be white is a little too mean. Everyone deserves love (even SJWs!) but there's a problem where liberals can't distinguish love from the receipt of material objects, social esteem etc. I don't walk back the parts about cowardice and so-on though; liberal areas do tend to be more segregated and so-on. Gentrification usually seems to involve building a whole foods and pricing all the minorities out.
#14784869
I have never received a good answer as to why I should snuggle up with my ancestral enemies, especially since they tend to be our masters, simply on the basis that in the last century we're now considered the same white race.

Not licking the hands of our bosses and loving begging for their comfort, apparently, makes one a "liberal," and weak.

First, liberals do accept this kind of economic system.

Second, fuck this bullshit attempt to make me fawn over your masters because we're both white. Seems to me that this is cowardice, but whatever. I'll keep advocating the liquidation of the bourgeoisie, and you can keep whining about how you want soft comfort with lack of criticism because of your precious feelings about race.
#14784900
Zagadka wrote:It is almost like they don't think of whites as supreme in some way.

Or that we don't hyper-analyze race.

/nothing intelligent can follow that quote so I'll stop reading there


The problem with this is that the phenomenon of nonpareil whiteness has been expanded by liberals and progressives to include the entire paradigm of white privilege, which becomes an inescapable entanglement for anyone who isn't 'racialized'. The critical theorists themselves have made white identity more cogent than ever as a result (i.e. whiteness is determined by processes of auto-racialization). It doesn't take much then to recognize that only interior self-contradiction can arise from the desire of some whites to negate their own experience of cultural homeostasis in order to become "allies" against the dictatorship of whiteness. It eventually becomes a superlative hypocrisy of one's whole Being. :hmm:
#14785468
Liberalism just means "bad" in the sense described by Eric Blair in regard to socialists critiquing "fascists". Liberals of course built Western society, so why their despised by ignorant vulgarians on the political extremes is beyond me.
#14797345
In a strange way I think it's a form of hyper whiteness. Self critical and self denying, insisting that something else somewhere else must be better. These traits harnessed properly drive improvement and exploration. The trouble is it is often taken to an extreme where they become self hatred and a love of the other for its otherness even when it's demonstrably worse.

It's also quite racist in that it routinely applies a far higher standard to whites than to other groups.
#14797367
Hong Wu wrote:This is basically a mash-up of two of my other recent trains of thought. Perhaps I'm watching too much Alex Jones but I'm starting to wonder if white liberals and white conservatives can still be considered members of the same race.

First, white liberals seem obsessed with rejecting their status as white people. If they hate on white people enough, say they want them all to die, yet seemingly they do not include themselves in this, is it a good idea to still consider them to be white? How much of their power and relevance is due to them not getting what they keep asking for?

They definitely don't see themselves as white. The word white for you, conservatives in general and everyone else is a word that means: Caucasian. However for liberals increasingly white is a code word for conservative. For them Herman Cain is white.
Hong Wu wrote:Second, everything that white liberals do seems to be related to cowardice: they move away from and self-segregate from minorities (run away from them), then take the side of the most hostile minorities in every argument that arises (taking the side of the people they ran away from), then do things like call for a military coup against Trump even though most of them would never touch a weapon. Cowardice seems to define every single thing they do and cowardice is not traditionally considered to be a western characteristic.

Liberals tend to be city slickers while conservatives tend to be from rural areas and small towns. The more urban and educated people become the more physically effete they will become which leads to a tendency to what might be called cowardice. It may be more accentuated than that as conservatives get associated with masculine activities and attitudes as a tribal motif so then liberals will to distinguish themselves from conservative outgroup by adopting particularly effete habits even beyond what one would expect from a highly urban person.
Hong Wu wrote:This brings me to my conclusion, these people do not want to be white/western and they don't act like they are. Are these really the same people as other kinds of whites or are they, for lack of a better term, "homo domesticus", just voting and microphone units that will never exhibit any agency besides berserk sexual obsessions and faux self-hatred?

I understand your distaste for these people but it might do to consider the big picture, if the liberal vs conservative tribal clash gets really hot and out of hand the US could become wracked by serious secession movements and even civil war. As a patriot do you really want to pour petrol on that glowing ember?

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