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@noir
http://www.timesofisrael.com/saudi-arab ... work-here/
Recently They opened the door for jews to work a few years ago.
I don't have any exact number but there are atleast 1 million Christians in working contracts there, and a small number of Jews getting contracts mostly of Iranian background though mostly hide their religion there as there is a discrimination against them by the people there so there isn't an official stat or number.
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Record them selves in no-religion catagory. Most Iranians who work in the gulf states don't record their religion and the government of Iran doesn't record the religion of the Person rather Ghom religious council handles these statistics. This makes it easier for Iranians who happens to work in countries non-hospitable to Shias mainly.
(yes, Shia face far far more discrimination than Jews and Christians does in most of the Arab or Islamic world, you're not special)
This is actually interesting. 'm trying to find the exact number of Jews living in Saudi Arabia.
And there seems to be a contradiction of statement.
Some reports from Jews migrating from Saudi Arabia to Britain saying they live seperate of the regular community.
Members of the royal family ( Al waleed ben Talal) saying they don't exist at all. Other royalties says they always existed in Saudi Arabia around the region of Al Hasa and Jaddah.
Other reports says that a large portion of Iraqi and Bahraini jews moved to Saudi Arabia.

Even the report above is in contradiction, where some royalties say yes jews are allowed to work, and others deny that they're not even allowed in the country.

Like WTF, i thought trying to figure out the truth from western media is bad. Atleast they're professional liars. Saudi Media is just shit, they don't even organize the story with each other.
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Little known fact - there were some Jews living in Germany even up until the end of WW2. Of course it wasn't any generosity on Hitler's part. He used them as a propaganda example to the world of how there are Jews living in Germany and that the Holocaust rumors were fraudulent.

Sharia Law is similarly as repressive as Nazi Law towards the Jews. Sharia Law may even be considered worse because Hitler had no desire to murder every Jew on the planet, just the ones under German occupation. Whereby Sharia Law, if it eventually gains enough power, will try to exterminate every Jew on the planet...and every Christian as well, and that is a stone cold fact.

So if there are a few Jews living in Saudi Arabia, for all intents and purposes it's meaningless now isn't it?
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You'll never find very accurate or reliable statistics for minorities in Saudi Arabia, especially Jews. It isn't something you would advertise.

My understanding is that Saudis are assumed to be Muslim unless they declare otherwise. Which of course is akin to apostasy, which carries the death penalty.

Lots of people from elsewhere work in Saudi and there's probably one or two Jews amongst them who keep it quiet.

Seems reasonable to believe amongst 30 odd million people in such a big country in an area with so much religious history there will be a few Christian, Jewish and other folks scattered about but again they're likely not to show up in any official way.
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stephen50right wrote:Sharia Law is similarly as repressive as Nazi Law towards the Jews.


I'm not one to defend sharia but that's not quite accurate.

Sharia doesn't seek to annihilate Jews, although it sometimes amounts to the same thing. If it did then they would have managed to do it by now and there are still some Jews in Muslim countries. Up until the founding of Israel there were quite a lot.

Sharia has a fairly well developed system of subjugating none Muslims as dhimmi. A sort of second class status where they are allowed to live and practice their faith subject to certain conditions.

Over the course of history and in different parts of the Islamic world this has varied between living relatively freely alongside Muslims and outright persecution.

It's a horrible system which was largely ended in the Ottoman empire under pressure from the western powers in the 19th century. When we still had western powers. However it is not the outright genocide practiced by the Nazis.
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AJS wrote:I'm not one to defend sharia but that's not quite accurate.

Sharia doesn't seek to annihilate Jews, although it sometimes amounts to the same thing. If it did then they would have managed to do it by now and there are still some Jews in Muslim countries. Up until the founding of Israel there were quite a lot.

Sharia has a fairly well developed system of subjugating none Muslims as dhimmi. A sort of second class status where they are allowed to live and practice their faith subject to certain conditions.

Over the course of history and in different parts of the Islamic world this has varied between living relatively freely alongside Muslims and outright persecution.

It's a horrible system which was largely ended in the Ottoman empire under pressure from the western powers in the 19th century. When we still had western powers. However it is not the outright genocide practiced by the Nazis.


I think you contradicted yourself a few times in your post, particularly in your second sentence.

I did state about Sharia Law, "if it eventually gains enough power." Right now, the West is far more powerful than the Islamic world, and it's not even remotely close. Israel alone with its nuclear might, could decimate every Muslim country if it so desired.

Frankly, ISIS is a good indicator of what Sharia Law, unchecked by world influences, would do to Jews and Christians. Current Muslim countries, again are significantly weaker than Western countries, and therefore need trade, etc with the West to survive in today's modern world. So they are not going to overtly look to murder Jews and Christians. Whereby ISIS doesn't care what the world thinks - they are an example of Sharia Law at its purest.
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AJS wrote:So why didn't they wipe them out at some point between the 7th century when they took huge swathes of land from Spain to Iran and the 1940s when there were still big Jewish populations in Baghdad, Morocco and elsewhere?

It's too simplistic to say sharia means wiping out the Jews.


Each culture within Islam or any religion has its reasons for doing things. Hitler was a Catholic...however a Catholic such as Oscar Schindler a Nazi, saved over a thousand Jews from certain extermination, at the risk of his own life and all his money.

The situations you mentioned did not practice Sharia Law in its purest form.
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The Marshal Plan worked wonders in Germany and Japan. They aren't our enemies now, and never will be again.


Absolutely. We could do the same thing in the ME if we put our minds to it. For what we have spent making war over there we could have made some long lasting friends. (We would have had to break some eggs but the payoff would have been super.)
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:lol: America never tried to do fuck all. You're simply defending the indefensible. They wanted to impose their government on people who didn't want their fucking government, and to take resources for "helping them".
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Drlee wrote:Let me go another direction. We have hammered the Israel thing to death. The problem is not Israel. Israel is simply a rallying cry for despotic leadership in the region. It is a distraction as is abortion and gay marriage here in the US.

The median age for men in the EU is 41.

The median age for men in Iraq is 19. In Syria 23. Afghanistan 18.

The unemployment rates in Iraq is 16%. Syria 40%. Afghanistan 35%. etc. (Far higher among younger men.)

Can anyone here tell me something more dangerous than idle young men?

Young men are awash in testosterone. They are seeking meaning for their new feelings. They are inherently violent and extremely impatient. They feel an overwhelming desire for power. This is just the way men are wired. Without some controlling influences they are seriously dangerous.

The countries in the region must control these kids. A good way to do this is through Islam. The kind of Islam that appeals to them is the version that appeals to the feelings they already have. Violence is the salve for their feelings. This is not to say that Islam is inherently violent but it is to say that the aspects of Islam that appeal to these young men are. These young men need an enemy to keep them from creating one in their own government. The governments can't offer them the one thing that would help; a sense of self-worth and belonging that comes from employment.

Imagine you were 18 years old, with no real prospects for employment. No way to plan for a future with a good marriage (sex). No way to see yourself successful and powerful. What would you turn to to get these things? Looking at the US inner cities. Is it so different here? Do not young black men face some of the same problems and express them in similar ways? Would the US have the problems with gang violence if we were actively seeking good employees in the inner cities? (Inner city is a euphemism for predominantly minority area.)

So the governments of the ME need a bogey man to distract these young men. Israel. The apostate west. Just look at the immodest way European women dress. And they do not embrace Allah. They must be subjected to Allah's will. And you, young man, are a key player in that struggle. Join ISIL and we will give you a weapon, power over the people, sex on demand and the promise of a paradise to come should you fall in the struggle. Become Taliban (a student) of Islam and learn God's will. Mullah Omar will show you the way! We must save our Palestinian brothers in the faith.

IMO the answer to terrorism must include some kind of Marshall plan. An idle mind really is the devil's playground.


Same view as yours by an expert of Palestine

UNRWA to blame for violence in Gaza?
Financial Times of London, Gunnar Heinsohn

http://israelmatzav.blogspot.co.il/2007 ... html#links
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Godstud wrote:You do not understand Shariah, so you should stop talking about it. Shariah law does not supersede state laws, and was never intended to do that.

Shariah law handles divorces, wedding and other things the same way Christian and Jewish laws oversee these things.

5 myths about Sharia law debunked by a law professor
But Sharia isn't even "law" in the sense that we in the West understand it. And most devout Muslims who embrace Sharia conceptually don't think of it as a substitute for civil law. Sharia is not a book of statutes or judicial precedent imposed by a government, and it's not a set of regulations adjudicated in court.

Rather, it is a body of Quran-based guidance that points Muslims toward living an Islamic life. It doesn't come from the state, and it doesn't even come in one book or a single collection of rules. Sharia is divine and philosophical. The human interpretation of Sharia is called "Fiqh," or Islamic rules of right action, created by individual scholars based on the Quran and hadith (stories of the prophet Muhammad's life). Fiqh literally means "understanding" -- and its many different schools of thought illustrate that scholars knew they didn't speak for God.
Fiqh distinguishes between the spiritual value of an action (how God sees it) and the worldly value of that action (how it affects others). Fiqh rules might obligate a devout Muslim to pray, but it's not the job of a Muslim ruler to enforce that obligation. Fiqh is not designed to help governments police morality in the way, say, Saudi Arabia does today.
According to classical Fiqh scholarship, a Muslim ruler's task was to put forth another type of law, called Siyasa, based on what best serves the public good. The most vivid example of this was the recognition of incestuous (mother-son, brother-sister) marriages practiced by some non-Muslim minorities living under Muslim rule, dating back at least to the 14th century, despite the abhorrence, generally, of such marriages to Islam. In other words, Sharia doesn't hold that everything objectionable to Islam should be outlawed.

Rather, it is a body of Quran-based guidance that points Muslims toward living an Islamic life. It doesn't come from the state, and it doesn't even come in one book or a single collection of rules.

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... hariah-law


it is totally against women,
learn more about it, before you try to speak about it!!!
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