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#14798317
Elyzabeth wrote:it is totally against women,
learn more about it, before you try to speak about it!!!


Absolutely right.

Most leftists are atheists or agnostics. They hate their parents' religion so much IE Christianity or Judaism, probably hate their parents as well, it's ironic that they would support, promote, and propagandize another religion that preaches such hate and violence towards their own Muslim women, and also everyone else who Islam considers to be infidels.
#14798331
stephen50right wrote:Absolutely right.

Most leftists are atheists or agnostics. They hate their parents' religion so much IE Christianity or Judaism, probably hate their parents as well,


My mother is Catholic. She is also a Marxist. Liberation theology bridges the two. We also have friends who are Friends.

There is no inherent discord between the two.

it's ironic that they would support, promote, and propagandize another religion that preaches such hate and violence towards their own Muslim women, and also everyone else who Islam considers to be infidels.


Except that leftists don't support Islam. Reagan did. Progressives oppose religious bigotry, even if the religious folks are bigots.
#14798344
@Elyzabeth ... just because the cultures do it, does not mean it's promoted in the religion.

Many sources that are not simply hate speech and over-the-top feminism, would disagree with your simple assertion. Once again, a simple case of cherry-picking, with no real knowledge. You could find the same things in the bible, incidentally, as in the Quran.

Islam and the Quran Require Us to Honor, Not Abuse, Women
The Quran then continues in verse 36 to say that if the husband and wife cannot reconcile, then arbiters should seek to make peace between them on their behalf. The Quran guides towards reconciliation, not abuse.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harris-za ... 45933.html
http://www.womaninthequran.com/04.html
http://en.islamtoday.net/artshow-264-3151.htm

@noir If I yell, "God is great!", as I shoot a couple people, am I a Christian? If I kill people, I am not a Christian, but someone deluded into thinking that, and such is the case with these people . I posted Mi5's findings and it directly contradicts what you guys say.

Far from being religious zealots, a large number of those involved in terrorism do not practise their faith regularly. Many lack religious literacy and could actually be regarded as religious novices. Very few have been brought up in strongly religious households, and there is a higher than average proportion of converts. Some are involved in drug-taking, drinking alcohol and visiting prostitutes. MI5 says there is evidence that a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation..
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug ... terrorism1

People who blow themselves up are almost non-religious, but it's a "thing" to say when you're deluded into thinking a god who says, "Never kill", is going to be happy with you killing a bunch of people. The Quran has the 10 commandments, too, people. It's easy to forget it's simply the bible written in a different way.
#14798346
Most leftists are atheists or agnostics.


Nonsense.

Jesus was so far left of Marx he made Marx look like Reagan.
#14798351
Jesus very often condemned the rich and was always kind to the poor and promoted economic equity.

Jesus and equity in material distribution
https://biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/eq/2005-2_099.pdf

Did Jesus Teach Socialism?
https://realtruth.org/articles/140610-007.html
#14798356
Far more than you, apparently. I've taken time to study it more over the last couple years, and I used to be an islamophobe, like you. I'm still an atheist, mind you.

Most religion has shit you can take out of context, and ways you can promote hate thru it. It doesn't make the religion bad, mind you.
#14798420
That was about feminism. It was also support for people in cultures(like Saudi Arabia), where the women don't have the freedom that American women have.

If you say, But in the Muslim world they all have to wear that, you'd be wrong. See Indonesia.
#14798467
Godstud wrote:Far more than you, apparently. I've taken time to study it more over the last couple years, and I used to be an islamophobe, like you. I'm still an atheist, mind you.

Most religion has shit you can take out of context, and ways you can promote hate thru it. It doesn't make the religion bad, mind you.


So why draw these erroneous parallels with the bible when you presumably know the vastly different places the two books hold in their respective faiths?
#14798471
Eamonor wrote:What about the members of the womens march who wore Hijab and joined in loud chants of "Allahu Akbar!" were they not leftists or does the Hijab and Allah have nothing to do with Islam?


They were liberals not leftists, they were no more leftist the the Democrats or the Republicans.
#14798483
Godstud wrote:@Elyzabeth ... just because the cultures do it, does not mean it's promoted in the religion.

Many sources that are not simply hate speech and over-the-top feminism, would disagree with your simple assertion. Once again, a simple case of cherry-picking, with no real knowledge. You could find the same things in the bible, incidentally, as in the Quran.

Islam and the Quran Require Us to Honor, Not Abuse, Women
The Quran then continues in verse 36 to say that if the husband and wife cannot reconcile, then arbiters should seek to make peace between them on their behalf. The Quran guides towards reconciliation, not abuse.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harris-za ... 45933.html
http://www.womaninthequran.com/04.html
http://en.islamtoday.net/artshow-264-3151.htm

@noir If I yell, "God is great!", as I shoot a couple people, am I a Christian? If I kill people, I am not a Christian, but someone deluded into thinking that, and such is the case with these people . I posted Mi5's findings and it directly contradicts what you guys say.

Far from being religious zealots, a large number of those involved in terrorism do not practise their faith regularly. Many lack religious literacy and could actually be regarded as religious novices. Very few have been brought up in strongly religious households, and there is a higher than average proportion of converts. Some are involved in drug-taking, drinking alcohol and visiting prostitutes. MI5 says there is evidence that a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation..
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/aug ... terrorism1

People who blow themselves up are almost non-religious, but it's a "thing" to say when you're deluded into thinking a god who says, "Never kill", is going to be happy with you killing a bunch of people. The Quran has the 10 commandments, too, people. It's easy to forget it's simply the bible written in a different way.


Years ago (not available now? ) over a period of ten years,
I read 23 books written by Muslim women from all parts of the world
( The one by a female former Iranian judge, won the Nobel prize)
Women in Saudi Arabia, Morocco. London, Iran and others

I also read much of the Koran, and biographies of Mohammed, written by Muslims

You seem to think that you know more than you really do.

Islam treats women terribly !

and Sharia law ?

let me count the ways....

women are without rights and treated like cattle

worse then cattle the can be beaten, raped, stoned forced to do what ever the man decides.

How about the one that states that two men must witness a rape before action can be taken in court?
#14798485
stephen50right wrote:Absolutely right.

Most leftists are atheists or agnostics. They hate their parents' religion so much IE Christianity or Judaism, probably hate their parents as well, it's ironic that they would support, promote, and propagandize another religion that preaches such hate and violence towards their own Muslim women, and also everyone else who Islam considers to be infidels.


Absolutely spot on !
#14798488
@Elyzabeth
women are without rights and treated like cattle

Where the fuck did you get this from ? Women are stated in the Quran to be equal to men. Literally stated that way.

worse then cattle the can be beaten, raped, stoned forced to do what ever the man decides.


1- No you actually cant beat a women in Islam. It is in fact stated directly in the Quran that men shall do no harm to their partners, meaning women. And that if a women was to do a great misdeed to her partner, he is to punish her by moving away from her, as in not talking to her and keep his distance which is basically emotional punishment for her actions against hem if she was to do something.

2- The punishment for rape in the Quran is either the mutilation of all the limbs of the rapist or simply crucifixion.
Yup, seems very acceptable to rape under Islamic law. :knife:

3- Stonning wasn't mentioned at all in the Quran or anywhere. Sharia law include wipping and under specific form for minor crimes of both men and women. And the main rule mentioned in the Quran, Sunnah, And all the following sources that the person doing it when striking as stated literally "the whiteness of his armpits should not be revealed"
Which means the one doing should not do it in a hard way.
That is this punishment is more of public shaming in physical form than it is a serious physical punishment.
Stonning was an Arabian custom for punishment, and for both genders and it was removed with Islam until the people of Najd returned to using it under Abdallah ben Wahhab and still use it to this day. They're known as Wahabis.


How about the one that states that two men must witness a rape before action can be taken in court?


The criminal justice system does not mention 4 male witnesses, thats just some bullshit westerners created to demonize Muslims.
The criminal justice laws in Islam require before a conviction is made 4 witnesses or evidence that are concrete and cant be disputed for a conviction is made.
There is not a mention anywhere in the Quran or the Hadith that 4 male witnesses are needed to proof a rape or any crime and i dare you to show something from a credible source of these (i.e Quran or Hadith) to support your bullshit claim.


The only place in the entirety of Quran and the Hadith that men get more than women is inheritance.
Men get twice as much. And the reason behind it is that women are more likely to stay at home and take care of children (yes that is also true for western societies even to this very day, thats why the gender wage gap exist) while the husband is expected to support the household.
So, in inheritance, it is made that men get twice as much as women as they need to provide a house and support the household and thus need more money, while women don't or didn't need to do that specially in traditional societies and thus don't need that extra share outside the initial split.

And note that i memorize all of the Quran and was taught the rules and corners of Sharia by my mother whom have a PhD in Islamic law and anther in Fiqh along with a degree in Arabic language and literature Which means she's considered a scholar of Islam.
#14798493
@Elyzabeth You are only reading extremely biased feminist propaganda that is mostly considering cultural differences in countries, as Muslim and Sharia law. This is extremely erroneous.

It is often how the Quran, and other religious books(Bible) are interpreted, is what leads to problems, everywhere. More often it's the culture making the decisions and them using the holy books to somehow support this.

We see this in Islamic radicalism all the time. They justify their actions by the Quran, but the Quran says specifically not to kill. The 10 Commandments of the Bible, are in the Quran, as well.

One of the most misunderstood areas in Islam is that of the position of women in the religion. The general perception in the West is that Muslim women are subjugated and almost seen as property. While not all Muslims deal with women as inferior, this is unfortunately true in some segments of the Muslim world and this treatment is supposedly justified by the religion. However, when we look at the basis of the religion, the Quran, we see a very different picture.

In the Quran God makes it very clear that men and women are equal.

[3:195] Their Lord responded to them: "I never fail to reward any worker among you for any work you do, be you male or female - you are equal to one another. Thus, those who immigrate, and get evicted from their homes, and are persecuted because of Me, and fight and get killed, I will surely remit their sins and admit them into gardens with flowing streams." Such is the reward from GOD. GOD possesses the ultimate reward.

[4:124] As for those who lead a righteous life, male or female, while believing, they enter Paradise; without the slightest injustice.

One does not debate with someone who is inferior, you simply tell him or her what to do. Muhammad also spoke with his wives as equals, though they were not always worthy of his trust:

The prophet had trusted some of his wives with a certain statement, then one of them spread it, and GOD let him know about it. He then informed his wife of part of the issue, and disregarded part. She asked him, "Who informed you of this?" He said, "I was informed by the Omniscient, Most Cognizant." (66:3)

It is clear from these verses that Muhammad dealt with women equitably, in spite of the culture that surrounded him. Thus, in his own life he demonstrated the equality of men and women just as he preached it from the Quran.
http://www.submission.info/perspectives ... ality.html
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