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skinster wrote:This was pretty obvious after seeing Trump's speech at AIPAC's annual policy conference, many months before he won the election

Not necessarily. Obama grovelled before AIPAC before his election, but he did resist the Zionist, Sunni terrorist loving agenda both from outside the administration and from low life like John Kerry and Hilary Clinton within. And he paid a high political price for not completely rolling over for the Jewish supremacist establishment. A third Obama term would have been preferable to Trump and Hilary.
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quetzalcoatl wrote:Monitoring latest articles from https://altright.com/ (straight from the horse's mouth):

How The Alt-Right Broke Up With Donald Trump

Reports: Bannon Argued Against Syria Strike

Understanding the Betrayal and the Israel Lobby

The Alt-Right Cuts Ties With Donald Trump

This is too consistent and across-the-board to be a misunderstanding. The latest changes reflect a sea change in Trump policy: 1) deprecate the President Bannon meme 2) allow McMaster to consolidate his hold over the foreign policy sphere 3) relegate economic nationalism and America firstism to a footnote including other abandoned Trump rhetorical strategies 4) eliminate relics of slash-and-burn rightism and return to GOP standard practice.


Frollein wrote:Way back when, in blackjack's mega Trump thread, I wrote "Trump is the people's way to tell the establishment 'fuck you'." And it was; I wonder how many of them truly believed his promises (many, for sure), and how many of them didn't believe a single word he said and voted for him anyway (like blackjack) just because they hated the establishment more.

I think Trump was the last safety valve; now that he's alienated both sides of the population, I'm really looking forward to your next elections, provided you'll still have them.


Pretty much. There's nothing more to it.

Michael Moore had the same sentiment about why Trump would win. If anything, we should pay attention to labor unions more than the alt-right.

maz wrote:Interesting take from some black writer over at the anti-white homosexual blog Slate. He manages to give some factual information mixed in with white nationalist conspiracy theory gibberish.

Why the Alt-Right Hates Trump’s Syria Strike


I don't entirely buy this since in contrasts against the idea of upholding Judeo-Christian tradition in Western Civilization. If anything, it's more likely that the alt-right is composed of strawmen subversives who are trying to twist the right from the inside out. The left would point out those strawmen as indicative of the mutation of the right into something sinister.

There are probably many followers in the alt-right who have genuinely fallen for this, but the leadership of the movement isn't genuine. If anything, it's shameful that this type of strawman subversion was attempted. The left has been too awkward to confront mainstream conservatism.
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Frollein wrote:Way back when, in blackjack's mega Trump thread, I wrote "Trump is the people's way to tell the establishment 'fuck you'." And it was; I wonder how many of them truly believed his promises (many, for sure), and how many of them didn't believe a single word he said and voted for him anyway (like blackjack) just because they hated the establishment more.

I think Trump was the last safety valve; now that he's alienated both sides of the population, I'm really looking forward to your next elections, provided you'll still have them.

I think for Syria, Trump gets a pass, because his actions will deter Assad from creating the massive refugee problems the alt-right ultimately opposes too. So they are a small faction and split. Russia and Iran's reaction is telling about why Obama didn't have the balls to do something quite like that, and instead quietly went around doing his precision strikes. If Russia and Iran feel threatened, Trump is in a stronger position on the global stage even though the alt-right won't like it. Clearly, the necons loved it, and this has shattered their Russian puppet mantra, which was absurd anyway. Trump more or less had to take action, because he was conciliatory towards Assad and his military interpreted that as a license to use poison gas.

Militarily, I think the attack was too expensive. The use of Tomahawks is quite expensive. JDAMs are much cheaper, and Russian air defences apparently did nothing to stop the Tomahawks. So I would have been more inclined to a few B2s with F22 escorts. A B2 can carry 80 GBU-39s (500lb SDBs) or 16 GBU 31s (2000lb). So maybe the cost was more inspired by having a more instant reaction. As far as I could tell from the BDA, they didn't even crater the runway.

Politically, I think Trump's achilles heel is Obamacare-lite. Trump won with alt-right support, but not because of it. Blue collar workers in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin aren't alt right voters. Where Trump could be in trouble is going along with the Chamber of Commerce and RomneyCare in lieu of ObamaCare. Too much of the country doesn't want ObamaCare-lite for it ever to become a political winner. Trump seems to be trying to bargain with tax cuts and something on health care jointly. If he doesn't make reforms that actually cut the cost of health care, it will be a political loser for him.

I had my cousin and her husband out for dinner this weekend. Flaming liberals. They hate Trump, but they hate ObamaCare making them have maternity coverage at 55 with no kids in addition to pediatric coverage. So even flaming liberals who hate Trump detest the costs of ObamaCare.

As I've said, only three things seem to be more expensive now than in the past: government, education and health care. They are all protected by the establishment, they are too expensive, and far too ineffective to justify their cost. So far, Trump has shown an appetite to cut government size, but he seems as liberal as Democrats on healthcare, and I think that's going to be a deal killer for him--something, I don't think he understood or is quite prepared to deal with now.
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Dubayoo wrote:I don't entirely buy this since in contrasts against the idea of upholding Judeo-Christian tradition in Western Civilization. If anything, it's more likely that the alt-right is composed of strawmen subversives who are trying to twist the right from the inside out. The left would point out those strawmen as indicative of the mutation of the right into something sinister.

There are probably many followers in the alt-right who have genuinely fallen for this, but the leadership of the movement isn't genuine.


Well I think you're correct, since the much of the alt-right is really the alt-light. It's probably harder for liberals to address a bunch of kids that like to shitpost on /pol/ and reddit and are more obsessed with anime and cartoon frogs than they are with ethno-nationalism. Are the Richard Spencer types subversives? Not entirely sure but they are easy targets.
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maz wrote:Well I think you're correct, since the much of the alt-right is really the alt-light. It's probably harder for liberals to address a bunch of kids that like to shitpost on /pol/ and reddit and are more obsessed with anime and cartoon frogs than they are with ethno-nationalism. Are the Richard Spencer types subversives? Not entirely sure but they are easy targets.


I'll put it this way.

When Spencer got punched in the face, the puncher came off as a ruggedly individualist conservative while Spencer came off as a hipster liberal.

I'm much more inclined to believe there was subversion and counter-subversion taking place than a genuine event.
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Rich wrote:Donald Trump is a cuck. He's a cuck to Pakistan, a cuck to Saudi Arabia and now he's shown himself to be a cuck to Israel. Muslims are primarily to blame, but influential Jewish Supremacists manipulate the evil of Islam for their own ends. Israel wants perpetual war in Syria, Assad is doing relatively well at the moment, that's the reason that uncle tom Gentile Donald Trump is using America's planes as the Sunni Arab terrorist's air-force in Syria.


And grovelled to the blood-dripping thug in Rydiah over the phone. The epicenter of Islamist terrorism is there; and excludes Saudi Arabia from his travel ban. Cynically citing 9/11 as justification, and whooooops, most of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. AND he has businesses there. Not a coincidence IMO.
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skinster wrote:This was pretty obvious after seeing Trump's speech at AIPAC's annual policy conference, many months before he won the election:


Well, promises and actions are different things.
Zionists did not believe him, and so did his former supporters, they hoped that he was just paying lip service.

Now we know that he is just a usual puppet, and the puppet masters are not "them Russians"...
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maz wrote:And don't forget President Obama had Jonathon Pollard released from prison, something that the Israel lobby couldn't even get Bush to do.


Now Trump has to do something even bigger, speak support the ethnic cleansing of occupied land and move the embassy to Jerusalem, which is not even an Israeli city according to the International Law.
#14796666
:) I hope the people will appoint their own pres-candidate the next time and show the finger to all the puppets presented to them to "choose from." That'd be a riot...

Won't happen, of course. Over here, it's a close race between Merkel and Schulz, which is like choosing between cholera and cholera...

Please tell me that was sarcasm :eek:

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