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http://www.vox.com/2017/4/6/15215376/al ... e=facebook

If you think the alt-right and Trump are in cahoots, then you're out of touch with what's really going on. Trump might have said before that he wanted to avoid Middle East conflicts like what he said about Obama's red line being foolish in 2013, but clearly, he's not what he appeared to be.

The alt-right is sticking to its guns in contrast. If you want to oppose Trump, do not confuse him with the alt-right. The alt-right is a fringe group that does not represent what Trump is really after.
#14795064
Donald Trump is a cuck. He's a cuck to Pakistan, a cuck to Saudi Arabia and now he's shown himself to be a cuck to Israel. Muslims are primarily to blame, but influential Jewish Supremacists manipulate the evil of Islam for their own ends. Israel wants perpetual war in Syria, Assad is doing relatively well at the moment, that's the reason that uncle tom Gentile Donald Trump is using America's planes as the Sunni Arab terrorist's air-force in Syria.
#14795141
Trump was never part of the alt-right, or any other right. He simply used it as a means to an end - the end being his own rise to power. All the core promises of the Trump campaign are slowly dropping away. Healthcare will not be protected. There will be some kind of lame-ass tax credit for companies, and they will try to convince you it is an infrastructure program. His commitment to America First and non-intervention depends on what side of the bed he gets up on.
#14795175
As an "alt-right Trump supporter" I think Trump warning Russia (who warned Assad) was a brilliant move politically. The ramifications include that China saw he was serious and agreed to take a tougher stance against North Korea. The whole event was probably a false flag but they were in a position to tar Trump as a Russian puppet if he didn't act, so he acted but apparently did so without killing anyone, so the people who did this are pretty much BTFO right now. Excellent move by Trump.

At the same time, I feel as if the "Russian patsy" dialogue is ultimately damaging for the left and he probably should have let them tar him. But then again, I am not someone who is trying to keep America in one piece, my opinions are based on principles that I have the luxury of holding because I don't have the responsibility. Trump is trying to keep America together and so he has to do things that I don't like, that's his role and I'm accepting of it.

What does suck though is how /r/the_donald has been going to crap. The community is split over this issue. The admins on reddit keep subtly undermining the site and now they have a contest to see who can put up the "funniest" video of terrorists being killed, that kind of thing would have never happened when the community was younger. I'm pretty sure the mod team there has been infiltrated and its original happy vibe is pretty much gone now.
#14795373
quetzalcoatl wrote:Trump was never part of the alt-right, or any other right. He simply used it as a means to an end - the end being his own rise to power. All the core promises of the Trump campaign are slowly dropping away. Healthcare will not be protected. There will be some kind of lame-ass tax credit for companies, and they will try to convince you it is an infrastructure program. His commitment to America First and non-intervention depends on what side of the bed he gets up on.


Yea, he is pretty random and seemed to tell people what they wanted to hear just to get what he wanted out of them. His victory speech after the election proved it especially from saying certain things didn't matter now that he won. Trevor Noah had a segment of that on the Daily Show a while back that highlighted his backtracking:


Hong Wu wrote:As an "alt-right Trump supporter" I think Trump warning Russia (who warned Assad) was a brilliant move politically. The ramifications include that China saw he was serious and agreed to take a tougher stance against North Korea. The whole event was probably a false flag but they were in a position to tar Trump as a Russian puppet if he didn't act, so he acted but apparently did so without killing anyone, so the people who did this are pretty much BTFO right now. Excellent move by Trump.

At the same time, I feel as if the "Russian patsy" dialogue is ultimately damaging for the left and he probably should have let them tar him. But then again, I am not someone who is trying to keep America in one piece, my opinions are based on principles that I have the luxury of holding because I don't have the responsibility. Trump is trying to keep America together and so he has to do things that I don't like, that's his role and I'm accepting of it.

What does suck though is how /r/the_donald has been going to crap. The community is split over this issue. The admins on reddit keep subtly undermining the site and now they have a contest to see who can put up the "funniest" video of terrorists being killed, that kind of thing would have never happened when the community was younger. I'm pretty sure the mod team there has been infiltrated and its original happy vibe is pretty much gone now.


The alt-right was adamant about not getting involved in more Middle East conflicts that aren't our wars. You might recognize what he's doing as strategic, but it doesn't go along with alt-right platforms. Obviously, his confrontation towards Russia doesn't help his opponents, but it does prioritize his mainstream supporters before his alt-right ones who have been betrayed.
#14795396
In my opinion, Trump only approved those missile attacks om that airfield, because he saw pictures of what Assad's dropping of a very lethal gas did to those innocent little babies. I believe things would have continued as planned, if the gasing had not killed those little babies in such a gruesome manner. I don't believe Trump would have given a damn, if only adults had been killed.
#14795408
Monitoring latest articles from https://altright.com/ (straight from the horse's mouth):

How The Alt-Right Broke Up With Donald Trump

Reports: Bannon Argued Against Syria Strike

Understanding the Betrayal and the Israel Lobby

The Alt-Right Cuts Ties With Donald Trump

This is too consistent and across-the-board to be a misunderstanding. The latest changes reflect a sea change in Trump policy: 1) deprecate the President Bannon meme 2) allow McMaster to consolidate his hold over the foreign policy sphere 3) relegate economic nationalism and America firstism to a footnote including other abandoned Trump rhetorical strategies 4) eliminate relics of slash-and-burn rightism and return to GOP standard practice.
#14795427
Way back when, in blackjack's mega Trump thread, I wrote "Trump is the people's way to tell the establishment 'fuck you'." And it was; I wonder how many of them truly believed his promises (many, for sure), and how many of them didn't believe a single word he said and voted for him anyway (like blackjack) just because they hated the establishment more.

I think Trump was the last safety valve; now that he's alienated both sides of the population, I'm really looking forward to your next elections, provided you'll still have them.
#14795440
Interesting take from some black writer over at the anti-white homosexual blog Slate. He manages to give some factual information mixed in with white nationalist conspiracy theory gibberish.

Why the Alt-Right Hates Trump’s Syria Strike

If the alt-right’s core ethos could be reduced to a single maxim, it would be this: to each his own. This is the attitude that undergirds the support for racial and cultural separation and white nationalism that the movement is most closely associated with. It is also the attitude that undergirds the movement’s less widely discussed isolationism, which was brought into the spotlight Thursday night as President Trump ordered a strike against Bashar al-Assad’s forces in Syria.

Richard Spencer, whose support for Trump has dimmed as Trump’s stances on immigration have, according to Spencer’s harsh measure, softened, issued what is perhaps his most forceful rebuke of the president so far in a video titled “The Trump Betrayal.” “I have to be brutally honest,” he said. “I am deeply disappointed in Donald Trump. I’m shocked, and I’m angry. And I am ready to condemn Donald Trump.” He was far from alone. “The #AltRight is now totally independent of Trump, and this anti-West, pro-terrorist foreign policy,” the white nationalist publication VDare tweeted. “Organize, organize, organize.” “So Trump's first forceful action as President was supposedly to defend the same people that mow down white children with trucks,” the Right Stuff founder Mike Enoch wrote disgustedly.

This was a reaction foretold by the alt-right’s very origins. The split between the mainstream conservative movement and the paleoconseratives—that is, those fixated on maintaining traditional cultural and religious identity who would become the alt-right’s intellectual progenitors in the United States—came into being over not only racism but also opposition to American intervention in the Middle East, including the Iraq war.

“9/11 was a direct consequence of the United States meddling in an area of the world where we do not belong and where we are not wanted,” paleoconservative Pat Buchanan said in a 2002 appearance on Hardball. “We were attacked because we were on Saudi sacred soil and we are so-called repressing the Iraqis and we’re supporting Israel and all the rest of it.”

This sentiment and the larger divide within the movement was the subject of an essay called “Unpatriotic Conservatives,” published by the conservative writer David Frum in National Review less than 24 hours before the invasion of Iraq began. In opposing the Iraq war and interventionism, he wrote, paleoconservatives had “made common cause with the left-wing and Islamist antiwar movements in this country and in Europe” and included among their ranks some who yearned “for the victory of their nation’s enemies.” Peter Brimelow, founder of VDare, responded with a post arguing that defeating terrorism would be a matter of keeping unassimilable would-be terrorists out of the country. “Instead, America's establishment is committed to seeking a foreign policy answer to terrorism, of vast ambition and indefinite scope, on the other side of the globe,” he wrote. “Whatever the merits of this answer, it cannot be denied that a fraction of the resources devoted to it would have sealed the borders and ended the illegal immigration crisis.”

Some of the far right’s opposition to Middle East intervention was driven by anti-Semitic theories about the role of shadowy Jewish globalists in setting American foreign policy. But overall, the stance of what would become the alt-right on the Iraq war, nation-building, and interventionist foreign policy was motivated by opposition to the idea that Western-style democracy could be delivered by force to people seen as backwards—and also by the desire, voiced by Brimelow, to see resources devoted to making the country whiter and more prosperous. “Does anyone want to consider what our aims are in all this?” Spencer asked of the Iraq war in 2008. “What might actually be accomplished by democratization? If the Baghdad parliament were running efficiently, would anything change?”

Those concerns remain Friday with Syria, along with some added panic about the flow of Muslim nonwhite refugees into the West that the conflict has produced. A large and underrated part of the promise the alt-right saw in Trump was his repeated (albeit frequently contradicted) commitment to keeping America out of not only Syria but foreign conflict more broadly. That commitment is now dead and the shockwaves felt in the movement have been huge. “No more ‘wag the dog,’ no more ‘4D chess,’ no more ‘decisive leadership,’ ” Spencer tweeted Friday afternoon. “The Syria strikes must end now.”
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#14795442
Hindsite wrote:In my opinion, Trump only approved those missile attacks om that airfield, because he saw pictures of what Assad's dropping of a very lethal gas did to those innocent little babies. I believe things would have continued as planned, if the gasing had not killed those little babies in such a gruesome manner. I don't believe Trump would have given a damn, if only adults had been killed.

I can't tell if this is satire.
#14795443
It's so bad that Hong Wu has been banned from /r/the_donald, but I still would identify as a Trump supporter if asked. I think people will get over this and it's being overstated in the hopes of driving a wedge between Trump and his supporters. Also, daily reminder that six months ago I was being mocked on PoFo by some of the forum liberals for saying that the alt-right exist.
#14795444
Hindsite wrote:In my opinion, Trump only approved those missile attacks om that airfield, because he saw pictures of what Assad's dropping of a very lethal gas did to those innocent little babies. I believe things would have continued as planned, if the gasing had not killed those little babies in such a gruesome manner. I don't believe Trump would have given a damn, if only adults had been killed.

You're really good at believing and not believing, aren't you? Do you believe anything the Donald says? :lol:

followthemonkey wrote:I can't tell if this is satire.

I also wonder if Hindsite is a prank, but the Donald really needed people like him to get elected I guess.
#14795455
Hong Wu wrote: ... they were in a position to tar Trump as a Russian puppet...Excellent move by Trump.


Now even very stupid people know that Trump is a puppet of Zionits.
That was really an "excellent move", as if it is something unusual for an American politician to be a puppet of the Israel Lobby.

:D

Hong Wu wrote:
The whole event was probably a false flag....


Yes, and Trump knows that Assad is not insane, that the whole event was false flag, speak fake news.

So it is obvious that Trump is at least as dishonest, as other American politicians. He lost his credibility, he is part of the swamp and the corrupt establishment.

With other words, nothing new, business as usual.
But how can this stupid and obvious false flag and wars on the other side of the world make America greater?

Trump is just continuing the Globalist Agenda, now he will have to take millions of refugees from Syria, and so on. If he will not do what he is told, they will impeach and imprison him.

Trump betrayed his voters, he promised no more wars that are not in the interests of Americans, but now anybody with half a brain can see that he is just another puppet and a dishonest person.
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#14795459
ArtAllm wrote:Now even very stupid people know that Trump is a Zionist puppet.
That was really a "brilliant move", as if it is something unusual for an American politician to be a puppet of the Israel Lobby.

:D


The "Trump is a Russian agent" was a huge distraction and the people promoting this weird conspiracy theory look pretty stupid now. If anything positive has come out of this sad predicament, we can take comfort in the fact that they have zero credibility now. Maybe we should be looking into whether Israel hacked the US elections.
#14795462
maz wrote:Maybe we should be looking into whether Israel hacked the US elections.


Do you mean that there are some banksters and some owners of MSM with double citizenship?

:eek:

Some people believe that USA is just a lapdog of Israel, no hacking needed.

If something is not in the interest of Israel, then it is "racist" and "treason", as simple as that.

They say the election is "hacked" if there is a tiny possibility that a candidate will do something that is in the interest of American voters.

Trump promised to put America first, and that is why they hated him so much.
Now they "hacked" Trump, and there is business as usual.
But I think that they will finish Trump, just to intimidate others.
#14795521
ArtAllm wrote:Now even very stupid people know that Trump is a puppet of Zionits.

Hope you're not including me in that. ;) No but seriously I comend you for pointing out Trumps consessions to Jewish supremacism before the election

Yes, and Trump knows that Assad is not insane, that the whole event was false flag, speak fake news.

So it is obvious that Trump is at least as dishonest, as other American politicians. He lost his credibility, he is part of the swamp and the corrupt establishment.

With other words, nothing new, business as usual.
But how can this stupid and obvious false flag and wars on the other side of the world make America greater?

Trump is just continuing the Globalist Agenda, now he will have to take millions of refugees from Syria, and so on. If he will not do what he is told, they will impeach and imprison him.

Trump betrayed his voters, he promised no more wars that are not in the interests of Americans, but now anybody with half a brain can see that he is just another puppet and a dishonest person.

Well hopefully most of us can agree that what ever he was in the past, Trump is now a fully paid up bitch of the establishment. For myself as someone who seeks to oppose and resist anti WIG(White Infidel Gentile) racism, Trump is disgusting individual, and its great to not have him as an ally in any way shape or form. The establishment are welcome to him.
#14795529
ArtAllm wrote:Now even very stupid people know that Trump is a puppet of Zionits.


This was pretty obvious after seeing Trump's speech at AIPAC's annual policy conference, many months before he won the election:
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