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Rich wrote:Lets remember that homosexuality was illegal in the Soviet Union, that it was almost impossible to get contraception, unless you were part of the Red Aristocracy, and that even abortion was banned under Stalin.


You correctly point out that this was banned, under Stalin, not under Lenin or any other communist leader to this point.

Rich wrote:The Soviet Union was a Theocracy, it just replaced Yahweh, the Old testament Prophets, Jesus, the Saints etc, with Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin. It was subject to the arbitrary whims of the Red Tsars, just as much as Medieval Christian Theocracies and modern day Muslim Theocracies are subject to their leaders.


Now you retroactively place everyone else under this, which is completely ahistorical as you tacitly admit, but then make up a reason for why you imagine that your admitted lie occurred completely out of thin air.

Why should we ever listen to any of horseshit you periodically come out of the scum to shovel? Back to under the rock with you, you—again—have nothing interesting to say and cannot help but to confuse yourself with your lies.
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AFAIK wrote:Bin Laden attacked the financial, military and political centers in USA.

If you are arguing bin Laden was a bona fide soldier acting in a bona fide war, then he is quilty of war crimes for
1. Killing non combatants
2. Attacking civilian financial centres

If you argue bin Laden wasn't a signatory to any treaties or conventions, the he is a mass murderer full stop. Still ain't going to become a western hero.
#14802218
The Immortal Goon wrote:Now you retroactively place everyone else under this, which is completely ahistorical as you tacitly admit, but then make up a reason for why you imagine that your admitted lie occurred completely out of thin air.

The Bolshevik government was a de-facto dictatorship from the start. The Left SRs being little more than window dressing. Anyway once the SR's had gone, the country became subject to the whims of its leaders. The power centralising from the Central Comittee to the Politburo to the triumvirate to Stalin.

Not only was the Soviet Union a dictatorship, it was a reactionary dictatorship, banning homosexuality long after it had been legalised in most western countries.
#14802223
AFAIK wrote:The Allies killed thousands of non-combatants in Germany and Japan. I don't remember Churchill or FDR being tried for war crimes, though.

It also used German slave labour for years after the war ended. Were German policies under the Nazis, quantitatively harsher than the western allies? Yes, but Germany was far less resource abundant and couldn't afford even the limited niceties of the allied war machine.
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Rich wrote:Not only was the Soviet Union a dictatorship, it was a reactionary dictatorship, banning homosexuality long after it had been legalised in most western countries.


Wow, the Soviet Union banned homosexuality "long after" 2003? Please, tell us more about these amazing facts!
#14802268
Potemkin wrote:"Whereas" would have been a better choice of word than "while". The English language can be imprecise and vague, but it has such a huge vocabulary that it is usually possible to be precise by choosing the right words. Expressing oneself precisely and unambiguously in languages such as Latin or French can be almost effortless, whereas it takes significant effort to express oneself precisely and unambiguously in English. Oh look, I just gave an example of the use of the word "whereas" in a comparison. :)

But you don't have to put together and apply grammatical matrices while speaking or trying to speak the language at least. There is a huge price though: you'll never have a world-famous Autobahn system, as well as without being forced to apply matrices anytime you formulate an idea or thought in your mind you'll never really understand the wonders of engineering and National Socialism.
#14802532
If you are arguing bin Laden was a bona fide soldier acting in a bona fide war, then he is quilty of war crimes for
1. Killing non combatants
2. Attacking civilian financial centres


Identical to the US air force and the RAF then?
#14802765
AFAIK wrote:Bin Laden attacked the financial, military and political centers in USA.
Many historians and analysts recognise this to be a pretty standard act of war.

Historians and analysts aren't qualified to say "what words mean" based on mass media information. The best they can offer is "If what we're seeing in mass media is true..." and that's not good enough. The mass media are an interested party because they receive billions in advertising money from oil and industry.

And even if "He" did officially declare war on America, then the USA should have been bombing and stealing resources from Osama bin Laden and Osama bin Laden alone.

The "free-for-all" on pillaging Arab or oil-strategic countries that followed "his" attack suggests it was a false flag.

And by the way, Che was also a bit of a distraction from the nasty things that the USA was doing all over the world to other nations. So this may be the only link: mass media used their images for propaganda purposes."
#14802772
Well, this doesn't happen every day, but basically, Qatz and I agree.

And even if "He" did officially declare war on America, then the USA should have been bombing and stealing resources from Osama bin Laden and Osama bin Laden alone.

No. Anyone who supports bin Laden is fair game, and if oil is included then no. The oil belongs to the people and is protected by international treaties.

by the way, Che was also a bit of a distraction from the nasty things that the USA was doing all over the world to other nations. So this may be the only link: mass media used their images for propaganda purposes."

Che was a reaction to rather than a distraction from

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