<Most Chinese people I exposed to are highly educated in technology fields, I agree there are more open-minded elites in China, but I dare say the former represents the vast majority and in other words much more typical Chinese.>
Agreed 100%. Check my drone vs queens theory. Vast majorities are drones programmed with staunch nationalism. Also, Chinese think in terms of general directions, qi and very, very big theories and is unwilling to structure their thoughts. Western thinkers, on the other hand, structure their theories a little too much and tend to be skeptical of big pictures. You will find difficulty talking to them when you think in different modes.
<What I observed is mostly the Chinese appeared arrogant and assertive, whose superiority?>
Both. I also encounter lots of such people, but a lot less when i assume a less aggressive stance. Judging from your posts here i can imagine what their responses usually are.
<I so far hardly saw any "reasonable China praising" and I welcome any of you to do so, and indeed I haven't seen whoever forbade you in western social platforms. I wonder the consequence won't be, the pro-Chinas got angery after I point out something and start evaluating me instead of the topic itself, like it always happened.>
I actually try to do that a lot. I get insults like "50 cent troll" or worse 100% all the time. In fact, I made very, very long topics like this one on politics forum, facebook and even linkedin, but that would be a little off topic wouldn't it?
<Thankfully I understand those comments written in Mandarin just under Martin Jacques' footage page on Youtube, you tell me they are not hostile to West? And I look forward to your reasonable praise on China if any.>
Sigh, just check my user profile and search for my other topics. Can I please not open this topic here? It's really huge man. Also, you seriously equate youtube commenters to "majority of Chinese"? Look at the Hong Kong, Taiwan and US trolls who has the same or greater vigor in insulting everything "Chinese" they come across, real or imagined.
<It's not hate or something, but just the stance of disagree. I'm rational not emotional. I'm talking about how to deal with the threat of China, not how we hate it.>
You got triggered by low intelligence drones. There is no shame. I am in that state for at least a year when I started living in China
<< It has nothing to do with the communists>>
Chinese and Taiwanese are in fact very similar in terms of personality, but in this case, "it's the economy, stupid". A underdeveloped nation as massive as China simply cannot move forward without a powerful central structure, and it entails all sort of social engineering which you see, leading to personality traits and values that you despise. And a powerful central structure is what runs China for thousands of years. Taiwan, is small country that is able to move away from that in the expense of development and flexibility, that's why this social structure changed. I think I explained in very great detail back there the whole rationale. Korea, on the other hand, with its size and homogenity, does not in fact has any need for such high power concentration, except for real and imagined threat from her neighbours...
<<Taiwan vs China>>
Small country, US shielded, economically developed. You didn't understand my post.
Flexibility, willingness to take risk, big picture thinkers, has strong execution, aggressiveness, willingingness to learn (Depends on topic). Japanese is your highborn aristocrat, Chinese is the barbarians. They are not immediately likable but they are strong and full of life. Over the years I learnt to appreciate these traits. But of cause, I can't convince everybody otherwise.
<I don't find a motivation for me to seek to deeply "understand" something that fundamentally rejects freedom of mind based on people's birth place. I don't need to be "proud" of my western mindset either. I prefer westernization simply because I enjoy it and that's why I'm here in a western political forum, no need to justify anything.>
Oh don't get me wrong. I never say Chinese mindset is superior to the west, it is simply a different worldview grown from a specific enviroment, just like the Arabs, or the Japanese, or the Russians or lots of culture. It takes a bit of mental strength to switch mindset, that's why these people despise each other. If you are unprepared to do that, you are unprepared for a real discussion.
<Check your ancestors>
Oh I don't give a fuck about Chinese ancestors. But we all have our obsessions, like Americans with their freedoms and guns, Arabs with their God, or Japanese about racial purity yes? You attack somebody's obsession, and expect a friendly treatment?
China is a developing country full of issues, yes. That's why immigrants move. China is not doing "good", China is doing its best under the circumstance.
You know what I noticed? Everytime a Hong Kong newspaper or CNN reports some crap about China, you search about it and find out the Chinese government have issued some kind of policy to address 6 months before that report was published. And 80% of the time you already knew about it and the problem has already receded.
Remember the poison oil they use for cooking? Harsh measures are erected and enforced, and they also found a way for electricity generation. Problem is not completed solved but is a lot less serious in a very very short time.
I also read government reports on their policies occasionally. A majority of them make more sense (And yes, and a portion of those are pretty absurd) and wayyy more spot on than any political debate I read in the free world, which often focus tremendous energies on trivial topics...
Over the last 20 years I visited China since a kid, every year it feels that things improved by decades. Much, much lower crime rates, fantastic infrastructure, much more polite people, cleaner streets, crazy advances in electronic economy. The last 3 years I look at the changes face to face and it's simply fascinating. Yes, many things are still bad and there are always new problems. But things move forward for 10 points and move back for 4 points, however in the "free world" people will dismiss China's achievements on that last 4.
Sometimes I can't help but laugh at my free thinking friends. What's so free about their minds, when they live in their own stigma, build their own echo-chambers, insult those different from them and claim intellectual superiority?
You are hellbent on believing that China intend to dominate the west, because they want to maintain their rule. Which political party does not want to maintain their rule? What's wrong about it? And how does building your railway lead to enslaving you? How can China rule anybody outside their own without the ability to connect culturally, or work with a liberalized system? And why would China want to kill her golden goose? Why would China even want to dominate New Zealand for that matter? Potemkin and I explained in epic length but you skipped all of those, and went back to your original assumption...
Rugoz wrote:Mark my words...
Oh get in line... "China will fall" T-shirts on the right counter next to cookies...
Society changes, politics changes, no ideology should remain stationary.