[The Immortal Goon]

It should be noted that the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is not necessarily the dictatorship of an individual. Just as the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie in which most of us currently live is not the dictatorship of a single individual, but that of a class.

[Beren]

It should be noted that the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is not necessarily the dictatorship of an individual.

Is it necessarily the dictatorship of a communist party?

[MememyselfandIJK]

@Beren @The Immortal Goon

It should be noted that the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is not necessarily the dictatorship of an individual. Just as the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie in which most of us currently live is not the dictatorship of a single individual, but that of a class.

In my own perspective the "dictatorship of the proletariat" is just a figure of speech. A socialist society should also be a democracy (Kind of pointless to free people from economic slavery only to put them under political slavery. ), but the proletariat get whatever they want because, once they have been unified, they outvote the other classes every time.

A little off topic, but do you think a Le Pen victory today could be another hint that something might be up? Once (Brexit) was an occurrence, twice was a coincidence (Trump), thrice is a pattern (Le Pen?). I'm not saying we have grounds to go out and accuse Russia, but we have grounds to demand that the Republicans stop impeding the investigation.

[Potemkin]

Is it necessarily the dictatorship of a communist party?

Not necessarily, no. In fact, one of the main slogans of the Bolshevik Revolution was "All power to the Soviets!", by which was meant all power to the workers' councils rather than to the (Provisional) government. The Bolsheviks actually seized power in October 1917 in the name of the workers' councils, the 'soviets'. It was only during the Civil War, when the Bolshevik government was fighting for its existence, that power was gradually transferred from the soviets (the workers' councils) to the new Bolshevik government and became centralised and concentrated in the Politburo.

[The Immortal Goon]

Potemkin is correct in the historiography. It might also be pointed out that in the Leninist conception, to which I subscribe, there is a vanguard. The general idea though is that the party is a reflection of the proletarian class, and it is the means in which the proletarian class excercizes its dictatorship.

Illoinformed observers, mostly from the middle class Intelligentsia, are fond of remarking that they are in favour of the Soviets, but against the Bolsheviks. This is an absurdity. The Soviets are the most perfect organs of working class representation, it is true, but they are also the weapons of proletarian dictatorship, to which all antioBolshevik parties are bitterly opposed. So the measure of the adherence of the people to the policy of proletarian dictatorship is not only measured by the membership of the Bolshevik Party o or, as it is now called, the Communist Party o but also by the growth and activity of local Soviets all over Russia.

Not all Marxists are Leninists, of course. Some, for a variety of reasons, don't see the use of a revolutionary vanguard as useful.

[Rapperson]

It should be noted that the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is not necessarily the dictatorship of an individual.

Yes it is.

One individual or a small group. In an environment where violence is an accepted political tool, power is soon concentrated in the hands of those most willing and best placed to use violence.

[MememyselfandIJK]

Yes it is.

One individual or a small group. In an environment where violence is an accepted political tool, power is soon concentrated in the hands of those most willing and best placed to use violence.

And how is Fascism on the right any different?

[Rapperson]

And how is Fascism on the right any different?

*Yawn*

Did I say it is?

[MememyselfandIJK]

No... Just wanted to know why you attack the left instead of the right .

[Rapperson]

No... Just wanted to know why you attack the left instead of the right .

Because there's nobody here promoting fascism.

[Beren]

I'm not saying we have grounds to go out and accuse Russia

It's not Russia alone of course, but some elements of the Western elite are clearly in cahoots with them.

It might also be pointed out that in the Leninist conception, to which I subscribe, there is a vanguard. The general idea though is that the party is a reflection of the proletarian class, and it is the means in which the proletarian class excercizes its dictatorship.

So your answer to my question is yes, basically.

[MememyselfandIJK]

Because there's nobody here promoting fascism.

Because it is clearly a failure. Meanwhile, the left has seen much more success.



The Election Results are in!!!

Le Pen has lost! France will be safe from Fascism for another 5 years!

[noir]

More of the same. France is lost anyway

[Beren]

More of the same. France is lost anyway

I never understand the urge of posting posts like that. When I noticed you posted something here, I knew it would be something like that. Sure, France is now over, obviously.

[noir]

God knows where is Harmattan. He was so informative.

[stephen50right]

Islam is very happy tonight, they may soon have another country under their tyrannical rule.

[Beren]

Islam is very happy tonight, they may soon have another country under their tyrannical rule.

Rural idiots in America are sad? Now rush and vote for Trump, silly name calling just happened again!

[stephen50right]

Rural idiots in America are sad? Now rush and vote for Trump, silly name calling just happened again!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/715 ... n-refugees

‘You’re DESTROYING Europe’ Hungary PM predicts ‘parallel Muslim society’ due to migration

EUROPE will become divided into two parallel societies with Muslims living in their own enclaves under different leaders and laws due to mass migration, the prime minister of Hungary predicted today.

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Seems like you're not paying attention to your own country.

[Beren]

My country's PM is a large-type asshole and crook, I'm sure he's not happy about Macron's decisive win.

[The Immortal Goon]

Yes it is.

Well, how can I argue with such iron-clad logic?

I guess everyone can see the debating power of an anti-communist here on full display and shudder in terror.