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AFAIK wrote:@A23
International law is a joke.
Can you name 3 people who have been prosecuted who aren't black Africans?
NB: Prosecuted not investigated.


The International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) is a United Nations court of law dealing with war crimes that took place during the conflicts in the Balkans in the 1990’s. Since its establishment in 1993, it has irreversibly changed the landscape of international humanitarian law and provided victims an opportunity to voice the horrors they witnessed and experienced.

Ziatka Aleksovshi
Hardin Bala
Milan Babic
Vidoge Blagojevic
Tihomir Blaskic
Lijubomir Barovcanin
Ljubisa Beara
Lahi Brahimaj

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... Yugoslavia
#14804510
AFAIK wrote:@A23
International law is a joke.
Can you name 3 people who have been prosecuted who aren't black Africans?
NB: Prosecuted not investigated.


AFAIK wrote:So only 1 case.
I'm not impressed that involved more than 3 people.


I answered your first question. You're moving the goalposts.
#14804561
AFAIK wrote:Please allow me to rephrase the question;

Can you name 3 people who have been prosecuted in separate cases who aren't black Africans?


ICTY (Yugoslavia)
Milan Babic
ICTB (Bangladesh)
Abul Kalem Azad
ECCC (Cambodia)
Nuon Chea

It's early days for the ICC, which was formed in 2002. There are many more cases in the pipeline...
ICC is a complementarity court.

Pursuant to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court adopted in 1998, the International Criminal Court formally entered into force in July 2002 upon ratification by 60 states.

Unlike other international courts, the ICC was not established to hear crimes resulting from any particular conflict, and has potentially worldwide jurisdiction.

The ICC is the first permanent international criminal court and thus represents a significant step forward in the development of international criminal law. Although it is linked with the United Nations through an extensive Memorandum of Understanding and that the two cooperate often, it is set apart from the United Nations as an independent treaty-based jurisdiction. The Court is located in the Hague, the Netherlands, and can also hold hearings somewhere else if it so decides.

The Court has jurisdiction to prosecute serious international crimes committed since July 1, 2002: genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes. The Rome Statute could also permit jurisdiction to hear crimes of aggression. The Rome Statute does not define the crime, recognising that an agreed definition has not yet entered into law, but ongoing efforts are devoted to defining this crime.

The ICC is a treaty based regime and as such is limited to hear cases where crimes have been committed on the territory or by a national of a State Party. The ICC will also hear cases referred to it by the UN Security Council (as in the case of Sudan), which does not require the consent of a State Party.

As of September 2009, there are 110 State Parties to the Rome Statute though there are several powerful states who remain outside the jurisdiction of the court, including the USA, Russia, and China.

The ICC is a ‘court of last resort’, under the principle of complementarity and is competent only if the competent domestic jurisdictions are unable or unwilling to investigate and prosecute, and when the alleged crimes are of sufficient gravity.


The ICC is composed of pre-trial, trial and appeals chambers. The Presidency is responsible for the overall administration of the Court while the Registry manages its administration.

At the ICC, victims directly participate in the proceedings and are able to seek compensation as part of the criminal process, though questions remain over whether these procedures will prove to be effective in practice.
#14804593
AFAIK wrote:Are you optimistic about the ICC's future? It seems to be losing legitimacy in many people's eyes since international law doesn't apply to the worst offenders.


I am optimistic. Hopefully the ICC will act as a deterrent and those in power will realise that they can't get away with crimes against humanity any more.
I totally agree with you that USA, China and Russia are sidestepping the ICC and are outside its jurisdiction.
One of the reasons that a disproportionate number of Africans have been busted by the ICC is that many African countries can't or won't bring to justice the offenders in their domestic courts.

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