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#14808990
Ter wrote:And I wanted to see how Artallm would jump !


You basically admit that you are using the old Hasbara-Tactics, you are not interested in an intellectual discussion, addressing the facts and the arguments of your opponents.

Your intention is to reduce an intellectual discussion to the "Pavlov's dog" level, triggering emotions and knee jerk reactions, and switching off the brain.

Well, this does not work with me.

Look, they are openly instigating hate against the Russian people, that is "kosher"!

Nobody is whining about Russophobia!

Nobody cares about the sensibility of Russians!

BTW, Russians also believe that they are God-Chosen, that Russia is the Third Rome, that Russians have to accomplish a special mission, given by God.

But does anybody care?

So stop whining about the so-called "anti-Semitism" (an idiotic term, invented by Zionists) as long as instigating hate against Russians is "kosher", and that is done 7/24 by all (((MSM))) that cry "wolf!" when the power of Zionists is pointed out.
#14809005
stephen50right wrote:Trump campaigned on "America First" and bringing home a fat 110 billion dollar arms deal is doing exactly that. Military hardware is very profitable, and as you stated "manufacturing jobs on American soil" is one way of putting America First.


Great, so now Americans get to manufacture the weapons that will kill them. :roll:

Trump isn't doing shit for America. He has been doing only what he has been told to do by his neocon advisors. The 110 billion dollars Trump got for "America" will only end up in the hands of weapons manufacturers, not ordinary Americans.

As for the Saudis, they would be hard pressed to buy weapons from anybody if they ceased to exist.
#14809009
Saeko wrote:Great, so now Americans get to manufacture the weapons that will kill them. :roll:

Trump isn't doing shit for America. He has been doing only what he has been told to do by his neocon advisors. The 110 billion dollars Trump got for "America" will only end up in the hands of weapons manufacturers, not ordinary Americans.

As for the Saudis, they would be hard pressed to buy weapons from anybody if they ceased to exist.


But if Trump didn't get the contract, you'd be screaming why not? You'd be crying about all those American jobs lost to the Russian or Chinese arms manufacturers.

The silliness of your side continues unabated. Be happy that the USA got the contract, many thousands of American jobs will be retained and created which are good high paying jobs, and that Trump is for America First. Unlike Barry boy who was for America Last.
#14809019
stephen50right wrote:But if Trump didn't get the contract, you'd be screaming why not? You'd be crying about all those American jobs lost to the Russian or Chinese arms manufacturers.


A) No, I wouldn't.

B) What I would or wouldn't cry about is irrelevant.

C) What Obama would have or would not have done is also irrelevant.

D) A few deals here and there are no long-term solution to the employment problem.

E) It's obvious as hell that the whole deal is the work of arms industry lobbyists, you know, "The Swamp".
#14809079
Saeko wrote:A) No, I wouldn't.

B) What I would or wouldn't cry about is irrelevant.

C) What Obama would have or would not have done is also irrelevant.

D) A few deals here and there are no long-term solution to the employment problem.

E) It's obvious as hell that the whole deal is the work of arms industry lobbyists, you know, "The Swamp".


You should know by now that lobbyists have no influence on Donald Trump - that is a fact.

Is this deal good for the American arms industry? Of course it is...and what's wrong with that? Let's not pretend that this is a Utopian world and we don't have any enemies out there. We've got enemies, radical Islam being right up there with the worst, and we and our allies need weapons to protect ourselves.
#14809080
stephen50right wrote:You should know by now that lobbyists have no influence on Donald Trump - that is a fact.


Complete and utter bullshit.

Is this deal good for the American arms industry? Of course it is...and what's wrong with that?


Nothing. Except that it is being touted as good for the American people, which it isn't. The benefits accrued to ordinary working-class Americans from a single arms deal are miniscule at best, and the arming of Saudi Arabia (and therefore of ISIS) far worse.

Let's not pretend that this is a Utopian world and we don't have any enemies out there. We've got enemies, radical Islam being right up there with the worst, and we and our allies need weapons to protect ourselves.


What is the Saudi regime if not Islamist and radical? We don't need Saudi Arabia to defend us. They should be a vassal state at best. Ideally, they should be destroyed.
#14809106
Saeko wrote:Complete and utter bullshit.


Nothing. Except that it is being touted as good for the American people, which it isn't. The benefits accrued to ordinary working-class Americans from a single arms deal are miniscule at best, and the arming of Saudi Arabia (and therefore of ISIS) far worse.


What is the Saudi regime if not Islamist and radical? We don't need Saudi Arabia to defend us. They should be a vassal state at best. Ideally, they should be destroyed.


I detest a number of things the Saudis do. I'm sure they feel the same way about America. But for now and the foreseeable future we are allies. Sometimes when it comes to alliances with other countries, you take the best available, because a perfect choice doesn't exist...especially in the Middle East among Muslim nations.

I would respond to your point about "which it isn't", but it would be off topic. I'll save it for the next anti-business thread. With all the socialists and communists on this forum, that shouldn't take too long. ;)
#14809119
stephen50right wrote:
Sometimes when it comes to alliances with other countries, you take the best available, because a perfect choice doesn't exist...especially in the Middle East among Muslim nations. 



Saudi Arabia is the most radical Muslim country, they support ISIS. Iran and Syria are rather tolerant to non-Muslims.

USA has to be an ally of the most radical Muslims, because this is good for Israel.

USA is just a client state of the Israel Lobby, and the American president is just a pathetic puppet of this lobby.

Forget about the interests of American Normies, they are now irrelevant!
#14809122
ArtAllm wrote:Saudi Arabia is the most radical Muslim country, they support ISIS. Iran and Syria are rather tolerant to non-Muslims.

USA has to be an ally of the most radical Muslims, because this is good for Israel.

USA is just a client state of the Israel Lobby, and the American president is just a pathetic puppet of this lobby.

Forget about the interests of American Normies, they are now irrelevant!


<<< USA is just a client state of the Israel Lobby >>>

That is a favorite phrase of bigots. Be a bigot if you so choose, but at least do it intelligently...spewing nonsense such as this only make you look silly.

As for "radical" it all depends on your political definition. Saudis aren't shouting "Death to America" in the streets the way Iran does it all the time. And as you know, Iran is attempting to develop ICBM nuclear missiles with the full intent of having a threat to hit the United States.

Saudi Arabia is also covertly talking to the Israelis about various defense options against mutual enemies such as Iran. I wouldn't be surprised if they already have a verbal agreement in place.
#14809184
noir wrote:Judenhetze


It's amazing isn't it...all the good that Jews have done for the world, inventions and discoveries in science and medicine that have enhanced and saved countless millions, perhaps even billions of lives, including of course Muslim lives...yet the blind hate doesn't go away for some.

The bigots hate Israel only because it is a Jewish state, not for any of their contrived reasons. Simply because the bigots don't wish to openly admit that they are bigots.

But Saudi Arabia leaders are smart. Yes, they don't like the Jews either, perhaps they never will. However they know that Israel is unconquerable and will be here for the rest of human existence. So Saudi Arabia is beginning to deal with Israel from an intelligent perspective of how can Saudi Arabia benefit from cooperation with Israel.
#14809200
stephen50right wrote:The bigots hate Israel only because it is a Jewish state, not for any of their contrived reasons. Simply because the bigots don't wish to openly admit that they are bigots.But Saudi Arabia leaders are smart. Yes, they don't like the Jews either, perhaps they never will. However they know that Israel is unconquerable and will be here for the rest of human existence. So Saudi Arabia is beginning to deal with Israel from an intelligent perspective of how can Saudi Arabia benefit from cooperation with Israel.
They don't hate it because it is Jewish, they hate it because it used to be their nation. As a Jew I do not support Israel either. The Muslims were there first as far as I am concerned.
#14809210
stephen50right wrote:I detest a number of things the Saudis do. I'm sure they feel the same way about America. But for now and the foreseeable future we are allies. Sometimes when it comes to alliances with other countries, you take the best available, because a perfect choice doesn't exist...especially in the Middle East among Muslim nations.


Except we don't need an alliance with the Saudis in the first place. The only thing we need is their oil, which we should take by force.
#14809222
ArtAllm wrote:Trump will do whatever the (((neocons))) will tell him to do. Saudis are at moment the allies of Israel.

Trump is friendly to Saudi because he's an amoral corrupt individual. Trump's great virtue was that he was better than Clinton, Cruz and Rubio, who were all far more eager to support Sunni Muslim terrorists in Syria. However Trump's disgusting grovelling to the Saudis goes way back, long before the Neo Cons were seeking to use the Russia probe to overthrow the election result.

Trump criticised Michele Obama for not wearing a head scarf in Saudi Arabia, that must never be forgotten.
#14809340
stephen50right wrote:... phrase of bigots... Be a bigot ..spewing ... look silly.


Attack the message, not the messenger. Name calling is not a valid argument, and we are not in the Kindergarten.

stephen50right wrote:As for "radical" it all depends on your political definition.


Educate yourself.

Saudi Arabia sponsors and promotes the teaching of Wahhabism ideology which is adopted by Sunni Jihadist groups such as ISIS, Al-Qaeda and the Nusra Front. This radical teaching takes place in Saudi funded mosques and madrasas across the Islamic world from Morocco to Pakistan to Indonesia.[410]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia

With the help of funding from Saudi petroleum exports[23] (and other factors[24]), the movement underwent "explosive growth" beginning in the 1970s and now has worldwide influence.[3] The US State Department has estimated that over the past four decades the capital Riyadh has invested more than $10bn (£6bn) into charitable foundations in an attempt to replace mainstream Sunni Islam with the harsh intolerance of its Wahhabism.[25]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism



stephen50right wrote: Saudis aren't shouting "Death to America" in the streets the way Iran does it all the time.


What has this to do with Islam?
BTW, the expression "Iran does" is idiotic. Some people in Iran do, and this has something to do with the freedom of speech. If Trump says that Iran is the enemy of the USA, why should Iranians shout "long live USA"?
If people say "death to America", then they wish the demise of the American establishment (which the traitor Trump is now part of), not the death of American Normies.

stephen50right wrote:And as you know, Iran is attempting to develop ICBM nuclear missiles with the full intent of having a threat to hit the United States.


I know that this is BS, debunked long time ago. This CT, promoted by Zionists, was very unsuccessful.

stephen50right wrote:Saudi Arabia is also covertly talking to the Israelis about various defense options against mutual enemies such as Iran. I wouldn't be surprised if they already have a verbal agreement in place.


Agree, Iran is the perceived enemy of Israel, and that is the reason why USA has to support Saudis and be an enemy of Iran which did not attack any of its neighbours in the last 300 years, and is no threat to the USA.

What to the USA, they messed in the internal affairs of Iran, they instigated a putsch against the democratically elected western educated Iranian Leader Mossadeq and installed a medieval despot in Iran.

Do Iranians have any reason to love the USA, which is a puppet of international Zionism?


Mansour Farhang: This was the period that every political formation in Iran, from the royalists to the communists -- even the fascist party -- they were all active. Organising, publishing, debating, demonstrating, so it was chaotic but nevertheless it was an experience of democratic politics that Iranians had never had.
...

And Mossadeq emerged as the most popular and the most trusted leader of the nationalist liberal forces in Iran. He was a Swiss-educated lawyer and yet he was deeply connected with Iranian culture and in folk ways.



So Kermit Roosevelt went off and did other things with his money. For example, he bribed mullahs, the religious leaders in Iran, to begin denouncing Mossadeq from the pulpit as an atheist, or non-believer, which was not true as Mossadeq was a devout Twelver Shi'ite. He bribed newspaper editors and reporters, to the point where he had 80% of the Iranian press in his payroll. And what that meant was that every day, Iranians would wake up to news reports and commentaries about how Mossadeq was Jewish, he was homosexual, he was a British agent, just about anything bad you could think of, would show up day after day in practically every newspaper in Tehran. So by the spreading around of money, Kermit Roosevelt was immediately going to change the public tenor and view of Mossadeq.

He also bribed commanders of military and police units so they would be ready to help on the day that he struck against Mossadeq. One of the things that he did -- perhaps this was his most masterful idea -- he went to the Tehran bazaar, where there was a group of thugs operating under a very colourful leader named Shabaan the Brainless. And he hired Shabaan, who actually is still alive and living in California, and Shabaan's job was: Get together the biggest group of thugs and gangsters you can find; we're going to pay every one of them. Find every adult male who wants to be a gangster for a day and hire them. And what your job is, (and this is exactly what this gang did for several days in Tehran) run through the streets wildly, smash shop windows, fire guns into mosques and then shout 'We love Communism and Mossadeq'.

So he created this mob that was very violent, that was posing as thugs for Mossadeq. But that wasn't all. Roosevelt went one step further: he hired another mob to attack that mob, the idea being he wanted to create the image, in the minds of ordinary Iranians, that Iran was in chaos.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/pro ... transcript


USA was ready to declare war on Russia because of some fake news about the "Russian hacking" of an American elections.

What a hypocrisy!

Iran was governed by a secular government, Islam did not play any big role in Iran.

But CIA financed Mullas, instigated a putsch and installed a medieval Puppet in Iran, now these hypocrites are whining about the Islam in Iran.
#14809343
Saeko wrote:Great, so now Americans get to manufacture the weapons that will kill them. :roll:
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Yep, and there is no doubt that now America has to take refugees from the Muslim countries, destroyed by Muslim extremists, that are armed by USrael.

Saeko wrote:Trump isn't doing shit for America. He has been doing only what he has been told to do by his neocon advisors. The 110 billion dollars Trump got for "America" will only end up in the hands of weapons manufacturers, not ordinary Americans.


Agree, Trump is just a piece of shit, a pathetic puppet.
He was supported by Likudniks, and now he has to do their bidding, speak help them to create the Greater Israel and move the embassy to Jerusalem, which is not even part of Israel.

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