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Oxymandias wrote:Everyone on PoFo, the media, and news articles are all talking about how horrible neoliberalism is. And I agree. But no one is talking about any alternatives! Everyone just keeps on complaining about how horrible neoliberalism is but isn't offering anything different. What are some good alternatives to neoliberalism?
Everyone on PoFo, the media, and news articles are all talking about how horrible neoliberalism is. And I agree. But no one is talking about any alternatives! Everyone just keeps on complaining about how horrible neoliberalism is but isn't offering anything different. What are some good alternatives to neoliberalism?
God, that sounds great! I have read alot about Keynesianism but I haven't seen this idea! Thank you for the information!
Can you further describe your idea? I don't think I understand.
Oxymandias wrote:@One Degree
So basically a millet system except laws would only be applied to city states?
We have this weird idea that our lives should be based upon economics.
mikema63 wrote:It's not about whether or not our lives should be based on economics but that they inevitably are because it's economics that produces our food, shelter, and general ability to survive in the world. Even the most primitive societies are reliant on the primitive economics of cooperation in their tribe. You can't just decide to not have the thing that gives you the ability to even survive as a species much less produces literally every single tool, comfort, and entertainment without literally withdrawing yourself to a deserted island by yourself.
mikema63 wrote:And I'm saying it can't not be our primary "purpose" without eliminating it.
I put purpose in quotes because it's not that the economy is our purpose in existence but that it imposes itself into the center of our lives because it is where we get the ability to survive at all and function as a society. We have no particular purpose in existence.
mikema63 wrote:The stuff you have isn't the economy. Just because the word economics wasn't coined yet doesn't mean there wasn't still an economy. We are all dependent on society for our food and shelter and no amount of shifting focus to how you like your family will change that.
Not anymore than changing the question from the economy being of central importance to what your personal goals are changes the fact that you don't get to opt out of the economy.
mikema63 wrote:Just to put this out there, not that I necessarily agree with it, but I've heard not terrible arguments that neoliberalism is not really all that coherent a thing. Apparently, the argument goes, it's original use was one group of liberals trying to distance themselves from another group for political gain by calling themselves neoliberals to contrast themselves with the paleoliberals and tried to give positive feeling to the term without actually being ideologically distinct from each other. Afterwards some on the liberal left (social democrats, progressives, etc.) used it as a negative epithet against more right wing liberals. As the argument goes neoliberalism is just the aspects of liberalism that social democrats and progressives don't like so they compartmentalize it as a separate thing as if it's not a necessary consequence of their own ideologies.
Moving beyond that, what I think of when I hear the term is basically a conservative approach to the social safety net (either not expanding it or shrinking it somewhat), openly globalist foreign policy, and a sort of more establishment "feel" in the context of american politics. The alternatives are basically every other political ideology in existence and various forms of liberalism as well. For instances social democrats would expand the system and act as if they aren't perpetuating the liberal global system just because they avoid open violence a bit more (though I suspect they'd still actually continue most of the violence through back doors.)
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