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#14931085
ingliz wrote:The Adoration of the Magi is a painting by the Italian painter Gentile da Fabriano. Finished in 1423, the painting was placed in the new chapel of the church of Santa Trinita.

He was not a Jew.


In Gentile da Fabriano’s Madonna of Humility painted in 1422, the Christ Child lies on a blanket, edged with Arabic script. The traditional reading of the inscription is "La Illahi Illa Allah" - There is no
God but God.

Image


:)

That painting looks like shit. It's probably only famous because it survived since 1422. The baby looks upright and turned sideways. It about looks like a portrait of Fedor Emelianenko scaled down, about to punch the lady in the face, as it grasps the inside of her lapel. And her fingers look like those of an alien.

Yet, I failed to see any Arabic writing. Is it in the banner in calligraphy form? An honest question, that.
#14931086
To get back on topic, let's see what our
Muslim friends have been up to during the month of June 2018"

Date Country City Killed Injured Description
2018.07.05 Syria Manbij 1 22 Terrorists bomb a demonstration near a school, killing one protester.
2018.07.05 Afghanistan Ghani Khel 2 5 Islamic Emirate members kill two local soldiers.
2018.07.05 Afghanistan Deh Yak 2 0 Two policemen are brutally ambushed and killed by ISIS activists.
2018.07.05 Iran Khash 1 0 Sectarianism is suspected in the shooting death of a Sunni cleric.
2018.07.05 Iraq Badush 4 0 A father and his three sons are brutally murdered in their own home by Islamic militants.
2018.07.04 Iraq Najaf 1 0 An aide to a Shiite cleric is assassinated by Religion of Peace rivals.
2018.07.04 Afghanistan Tor Kotal 3 0 Three Afghans are laid out by an Islamic State bomb blast.
2018.07.04 Iraq Baghdad 1 11 Muslim radicals set off a bomb that eliminates a bystander.
2018.07.04 Nigeria Mararaba Kola 5 0 A woman is among five shot to death by Miyetti Allah on motorcycles.
2018.07.04 Syria Ajraf 5 0 Jaysh Khalid ibn al-Walid use a bomb to kill five rival Sunnis.
2018.07.04 Afghanistan Burka 3 2 Islamic militants enter a house sheltering voter registration workers and kill three.
2018.07.03 Somalia Galmudug 5 0 Five villagers are killed by al-Shabaab for resisting having their children 'recruited'.
2018.07.03 Somalia Sanguni 3 2 An Islamic group lobs a shell that claims three lives.
2018.07.03 Afghanistan Baharak 2 7 The Taliban stage a brutal attack that leaves two others dead.
2018.07.03 Somalia Hodan 1 7 A civilian is leveled by an al-Shabaab bomb blast.
2018.07.03 Afghanistan Pul-e-Alam 2 3 A woman and child are disassembled by fundamentalist bombers.
2018.07.03 Syria Raqqa 2 0 An ISIS IED takes out two members of a rival Sunni group.
2018.07.03 Afghanistan Andar 4 0 The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan plant a bomb that claims four lives.
2018.07.02 Iraq Hawija 1 0 A 17-year-old shepherd succumbs to Islamist shrapnel.
2018.07.02 Pakistan Boya 2 2 An Islamist attack kills two and disfigures two others.
2018.07.02 Iraq Mosul 1 0 A civilian is tortured to death by Islamic State loyalists.
2018.07.01 Niger Bla Brin 10 7 Ten border guards are left dead following an attack by Boko Haram.
2018.07.01 Nigeria Sabon Angwa 6 0 Muslim terrorists kill six villagers and burn their church.
2018.07.01 Somalia Mogadishu 5 0 al-Shabaab members send mortar rounds into a residential neighborhood, killing five.
2018.07.01 Iraq Diyala 1 1 A woman bleeds to death following an Islamic bomb attack.
2018.07.01 Iraq Kirkuk 1 20 Jihadis set off a bomb near a ballot box site, killing one.
2018.07.01 Afghanistan Jalalabad 19 20 A suicide bomber targets Sikh and Hindu minorities, killing nineteen.
2018.07.01 Mali Gao 4 31 Four civilians are blown to bits by a suicide car bomber.
2018.06.30 Iraq Makhus 5 3 The Islamic State set up a fake checkpoint from which they machine-gun five Sunnis.
2018.06.30 Syria Maarat al-Numaan 1 1 A civilian is taken apart by a Sunni IED
2018.06.30 Afghanistan Aikhanum 2 4 Sunni fundamentalists gun down two cops.
2018.06.30 Afghanistan Nangarhar 3 0 Islamic State members burn down a school and behead three attendants.
2018.06.29 Somalia Mogadishu 3 0 A student is among three people murdered by Islamic extremists.
2018.06.29 Nigeria Banki 4 4 Boko Haram invade a displaced persons camp and murder four refugees.
2018.06.29 Iraq Balad Ruz 3 Three farmers are kidnapped and murdered by ISIS.
2018.06.29 Nigeria Plateau 98 0 An additional ninety-eight victims of a Miyetti Allah weekend killing spree are documented.
2018.06.29 Mali Mopti 6 0 A suicide bomber detonates at the headquarters of a counter-terrorism force.
2018.06.29 Afghanistan Herat 2 0 Two civilians are killed by suspected Taliban.
2018.06.29 Iraq Hawija 2 0 Two young farmers are dismantled by terrorist shrapnel.
2018.06.28 Somalia Qoryoley 5 3 Five are left dead after an al-Shabaab attack near a small village.
2018.06.28 Afghanistan Kabul 2 3 The Taliban fire on a passing car, killing two Afghans.
2018.06.28 Afghanistan Takhar 16 2 Sixteen border guards are massacred by Sunni fundamentalists.
2018.06.28 Afghanistan Logar 13 4 Thirteen elders at a peace conference are vaporized by the Islamic State.
2018.06.28 Iraq Tel Sharaf 8 0 Eight Iraqis captured by ISIS are found beaten and executed.
2018.06.27 Syria Aleppo 13 20 Two suicide bombers take out thirteen civilians.
2018.06.27 Somalia Wanlaweyn 3 7 al-Shabaab murder three local soldiers with a bomb blast.
2018.06.27 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 A guard at a market is shot to death by Islamists.
2018.06.27 Iraq Bashir 1 5 One defender is left dead after the Islamic State attack a small town.
2018.06.26 Pakistan Dera Ismail Khan 1 1 Islamists send six bullets into two police officers, killing one.
2018.06.26 Afghanistan Farah 1 0 A government official is assassinated by suspected Sharia radicals.
2018.06.26 Nigeria Damboa 7 12 Boko Haram slit the throats of seven villagers hunting for firewood.
2018.06.26 Cameroon Oulfo 3 1 Religious extremists kill three men and kidnap a woman.
2018.06.25 Afghanistan Taber 1 2 An Afghan activist loses his life to a Taliban drive-by.
2018.06.25 Pakistan Lahore 1 0 An Ahmadi religious minority is shot in three times in the stomach by Sunni extremists.
2018.06.25 Iraq Daquq 1 1 A civilian is shot to death by the Islamic State.
2018.06.25 Somalia Balad 2 0 Two security personnel succumb to an al-Shabaab bomb blast.
2018.06.25 Iraq Mutaibija 1 6 An ISIS attack on a security checkpoint leaves one dead.
2018.06.25 Afghanistan Babar Tangai 9 3 A Fedayeen suicide bomber slaughters nine local cops.
2018.06.24 Tunisia Kasserine 1 0 A young shepherd dies from injuries after being tortured and mutilated by Jihadis.
2018.06.24 Nigeria Barkin Ladi 120 6 One-hundred twenty people are massacred by Miyetti Allah as they return from a funeral.
2018.06.24 Iraq Hamrin 3 1 A mother and two daughters are viciously stabbed to death in their home by Islamists.
2018.06.24 Afghanistan Qala-e-Naw 10 0 Ten guards for a voter registration center are massacred by the Taliban.
2018.06.23 Nigeria Tungushe 5 6 A suicide bomber detonates in the middle of the night, killing five villagers.
2018.06.23 Mozambique Maganja 5 5 An Islamic group burns over a hundred homes and kills five villagers.
2018.06.23 Cameroon Guid-Zeleved 3 0 Three innocents are murdered in cold blood by Boko Haram.
2018.06.22 Nigeria Dowayan 18 5 Miyetti Allah attack a small village, burn homes and murder eighteen.
2018.06.22 Afghanistan Maidan Wardak 2 9 Sunni militants send shells into a market, killing two patrons.
2018.06.22 Nigeria Barkin Ladi 2 0 Two young children of a Christian cleric are hacked to death.
2018.06.22 Afghanistan Spin Boldak 4 43 The Taliban target a road construction crew, kidnapping dozens and killing four would-be rescuers.
2018.06.22 Afghanistan Ab Kamari 16 0 Sixteen Afghans are massacred by Sunni extremists.
2018.06.22 Afghanistan Herat 1 0 A Shiite cleric is assassinated by Religion of Peace rivals.
2018.06.22 Iraq Khanaqin 1 1 Terrorists kill a young girl and injure her brother.
2018.06.22 Afghanistan Nimroz 7 0 Seven others are left dead when the Taliban storm a voter registration center.
2018.06.22 India Srigufwara 1 1 Islamic militia fire on a house, killing the father and injuring his wife.
2018.06.21 Iraq Babil 1 0 A passport official is brutally assassinated by Muslim gunmen.
2018.06.21 Afghanistan Baghlan 2 3 Two police are killed by Sunni terrorists.
2018.06.21 Afghanistan Ghazni 6 4 Six police are killed during a Taliban attack.
2018.06.21 Syria Idlib 5 35 Jihadis blow up five civilians with two car bombs.
2018.06.21 Pakistan Hayatabad 1 0 Terrorists on motorcycles gun down a local cop.
2018.06.21 Nigeria Kaduna 1 3 Shiite radicals attack a group of police, killing one.
2018.06.21 Syria Suwayda 3 2 A group fighting for Sharia sends shells into a neighborhood, killing three residents.
2018.06.20 Iraq Diyala 2 0 The bodies of two kidnap victims are discovered executed.
2018.06.20 Afghanistan Ashtar 1 0 Islamic militants assassinate a bus driver.
2018.06.20 Afghanistan Balamerghab 34 0 Fundamentalists kill thirty-four Afghan security personnel in two attacks.
2018.06.20 India Kandizal 1 2 Muslim terrorist throw a grenade from a bypass, killing one person in a passing car.
2018.06.20 Nigeria Kai 4 0 Four members of a Christian family are slaughtered, including two children.
2018.06.19 CAR Ippy 1 3 Muslim 'rebels' fire into a Catholic church, killing a worshipper.
2018.06.19 Afghanistan Spin Boldak 2 2 Two civilians are blown to bits by Mujahideen.
2018.06.19 Afghanistan Kotal Laili 3 1 Three cops are gunned down by Sunni hardliners.
2018.06.19 Mozambique Lipandacua 5 0 A sleeping child is among five villagers murdered by Islamists.
2018.06.19 Nigeria Gajiram 9 2 Nine local security personnel are ambushed and killed by Boko Haram.
2018.06.19 Iraq Albu Issa 1 1 A woman in a car is aerated by Jihadi shrapnel.
2018.06.19 Iraq Mosul 6 0 Six ISIS kidnap victims are found executed.
2018.06.18 Afghanistan Jorm 17 0 Seventeen Afghan security personnel lose their lives to a Taliban attack.
2018.06.18 Afghanistan Ghani Khel 1 1 A local official is assassinated by religious hardliners.
2018.06.18 Afghanistan Faryab 4 2 Four Afghans are murdered by the Taliban.
2018.06.18 Bangladesh Bazar 1 0 A leader critical of terrorists is himself hacked to death by them.
2018.06.18 Iraq Tlul al-Baj 7 0 Seven shepherds are kidnapped, handcuffed and shot in the head by Islamic militia.
2018.06.17 Iraq Khanaqin 2 3 A Mujahideen bomb placed under a family vehicle kills both parents and injures the kids.
2018.06.17 Afghanistan Jalalabad 18 45 A suicide bomber on foot targets an Eid celebration, killing eighteen.
2018.06.17 Kenya Wajir 8 0 Eight border guards are blown up in their vehicle by al-Shabaab.
2018.06.17 France La Seyne-sur-Mer 0 2 A woman in a veil slashes customers at a supermarket while yelling praises to Allah.
2018.06.17 Iraq Diyala 2 0 Two truck drivers are stopped and murdered by the Islamic State.
2018.06.17 India Kelam 1 0 Islamic militants barge into a home and gun down a resident.
2018.06.16 Nigeria Damboa 43 18 Two suicide bombers target a World Cup screening, after which other Islamists lob grenades at those rushing to help.
2018.06.16 Syria Aleppo 1 2 Terrorists kill a civilian with an IED.
2018.06.16 Afghanistan Jalalabad 36 65 An Eid celebration is disrupted by a suicide bomber, who claims thirty-six kills.
2018.06.16 Pakistan Shawal 3 0 Suspected Taliban murder three border guards.
2018.06.15 Iraq Awainat 1 0 A mukhtar is assassinated by Religion of Peace rivals.
2018.06.15 Yemen Taiz 1 0 Terrorists murder a Red Cross humanitarian worker.
2018.06.14 India Kalampora 1 0 An off-duty soldier is abducted, tortured and murdered by Hizb-ul-Mujahideen.
2018.06.14 Syria Kafr Nabl 1 3 One civilian is lost to a suicide car bomber.
2018.06.14 Yemen Abyan 3 7 A suicide car bomber rams a checkpoint, killing three others.
2018.06.14 India Srinagar 3 0 A newspaper editor who advocated for peace is gunned down by Lashker-e-Toiba along with two guards.
2018.06.14 South Africa Malmesbury 2 2 A 'mentally-disturbed' Somali enters a mosque and stabs two people to death.
2018.06.13 Iraq Aliyawa 2 0 A married couple is forever torn asunder by a Mujahideen bomb blast.
2018.06.13 Libya Darna 2 0 Two civilians are tortured and murdered by militants shouting praises to Allah.
2018.06.13 Syria al-Bab 0 9 A suicide car bomber detonates at a market.
2018.06.13 Syria Suwar 5 0 Two civilians are among five blown up by a suicide bomber.
2018.06.13 Afghanistan Jalalabad 1 7 Another person is killed when a suicide bomber detonates at a market.
2018.06.12 Afghanistan Ghazni 5 26 Fundamentalists claim five lives with a suicide car bomb.
2018.06.12 Somalia Teed 4 0 An al-Shabaab attack on a government base results in four dead.
2018.06.12 India Pulwama 2 1 An Islamic terror attack on a court complex leaves two dead.
2018.06.12 Syria Hageen 30 0 ISIS executes thirty members.
2018.06.12 Afghanistan Kohistan 8 0 Eight security personnel lose their lives to a Taliban ambush.
2018.06.12 Afghanistan Burhan Shahr 7 2 A Taliban attack on a village leaves seven dead.
2018.06.12 Afghanistan Sheikh Walol 18 0 Eighteen local security personnel are brutally killed during a Taliban attack on their post.
2018.06.12 Nigeria Antsa 4 21 A family of four is wiped out during a Miyetti Allah attack on a farming community.
2018.06.12 Mozambique Nathuko 1 0 An elderly man is beheaded by Islamic radicals.
2018.06.11 Mozambique Changa 4 0 Four villagers are hacked to death by Muslim extremists.
2018.06.11 Syria Tamanah 2 0 Two civilians are aerated by an IED.
2018.06.11 Syria Raqqa 3 0 A bomb left by ISIS claims three civilians.
2018.06.11 Bangladesh Kakaldi 1 0 An atheist poet is dragged and shot to death.
2018.06.11 Libya Derna 2 3 A Shahid suicide bomber kills two other people.
2018.06.11 Afghanistan Qaflatoon 3 5 Three security personnel are killed during a Taliban attack on a check-point.
2018.06.11 Iraq Qara Tapa 2 10 Islamic State members fire on a Shiite defense militia, killing two members.
2018.06.11 Afghanistan Sar-e-Pul 16 42 Sixteen security personnel are murdered by a wave of Sunni attacks.
2018.06.11 Iraq Kirkuk 1 0 A musician is shot to death by suspected fundamentalists.
2018.06.11 Afghanistan Ghazni 6 3 Six women and children are exterminated by Taliban bombers.
2018.06.11 Afghanistan Kabul 17 13 A Fedayeen suicide bomber outside a rural development office sends seventeen workers to Allah.
2018.06.11 Afghanistan Kabul 3 1 Three people are killed when a bomb explodes at a house.
2018.06.11 Nigeria Maiduguri 1 4 A Shahid suicide bomber kills one other person.
2018.06.11 Iraq Kirkuk 3 13 Jihadis set a bomb that kills first responders to an earlier shooting.
2018.06.11 Afghanistan Qala-e-Zal 15 0 Fifteen security personnel are brutally slain while sitting down to a meal.
2018.06.10 Syria Tell Rifaat 4 4 Four civilians are shredded by a terrorist IED.
2018.06.10 Afghanistan Arghandab 13 4 Thirteen local cops are killed by the Taliban during an attack on their check-post.
2018.06.10 Syria Deir Ezzor 3 7 A suicide bomber on a motorcycle detonates at a checkpoint, killing three others.
2018.06.10 Nigeria Mubi 1 2 A Boko Haram bomb disassembles one boy and pulls the arms off two others.
2018.06.10 Nigeria Kwall 2 0 Two innocents on their way home from church are hacked to pieces by Muslim radicals.
2018.06.09 Somalia Kismayo 0 7 A suicide car bomber maims seven others.
2018.06.09 Syria Idlib 5 0 Five captives are beheaded by the Islamic State.
2018.06.09 Saudi Arabia Jazan 3 0 Three civilians are blown to bits by an Ansar Allah rocket.
2018.06.09 Afghanistan Qala-e Zal 25 0 The Taliban storm three checkpoints and murder two dozen cops in cold blood.
2018.06.09 Mali Boni 3 0 An al-Qaeda attack leaves three others dead.
2018.06.09 Iraq Hadar 2 0 Two guards at a police station are shot dead by the Islamic State.
2018.06.09 Iraq Khalis 1 23 Terrorists bomb a vegetable market, killing a bystander.
2018.06.08 Afghanistan Zawol 17 13 Fundamentalists ambush and kill seventeen local security personnel.
2018.06.08 Iraq Kirkuk 1 14 A woman succumbs to injury after Mujahideen bomb a shopping area.
2018.06.08 Afghanistan Shindand 7 2 Seven worshippers at a mosque are machine-gunned by their Muslim brothers.
2018.06.08 Afghanistan Mehtarlam 4 12 Rival bombers pick off a religious scholar and four three others leaving a mosque.
2018.06.08 Cameroon Mangave Foya 6 0 Jihadists murder six people during a raid on a village.
2018.06.08 Afghanistan Jalalabad 3 4 Two civilians and a guard lose their lives to a suicide bomber outside a lawmaker's residence.
2018.06.08 Syria Albu Kamal 30 0 A wave of ISIS suicide bombers results in thirty other deaths.
2018.06.07 Mali Gossi 1 0 An al-Qaeda shooting attack leaves one dead.
2018.06.07 Afghanistan Khost 4 3 Four people praying at a mosque are shot dead by Religion of Peace rivals.
2018.06.07 Pakistan Maidan 3 2 Three individuals bleed to death after being hit with an explosive device.
2018.06.07 India Keran 1 1 A border guard is murdered by suspected Hizb-ul- Mujahideen.
2018.06.07 Iraq Baqubah 2 2 Suspected ISIS rake a passing car with gunfire, killing two occupants.
2018.06.07 Thailand Sukhirin 4 0 Four members of a family are brutally gunned down by eight Islamic 'separatists'.
2018.06.06 Mozambique Namaluco 5 2 Five people are hacked to death by Islamic radicals.
2018.06.06 Thailand Bacho 1 0 A former village head is gunned down by 'insurgents'.
2018.06.06 Kenya Harar 5 3 Islamists plant a landmine that kills five Kenyan border security.
2018.06.06 Afghanistan Pul-e-Khomri 2 2 A bomb targeting a voter registration center leaves two dead.
2018.06.06 Nigeria Tse Shan 9 5 Miyetti Allah storm a village in the middle of the night and murder nine sleeping residents.
2018.06.06 Iraq Baghdad 18 90 Eighteen worshippers at a Shiite mosque are disintegrated by a double bombing.
2018.06.05 Niger Diffa 6 37 Three suicide bombers slaughter six people at a rival mosque.
2018.06.05 Syria Idlib 2 0 Hayat Tahrir al-Sham execute two people on suspicion of membership in a rival Islamic group.
2018.06.05 Afghanistan Baghlan 2 1 Two civilians are blown to bits by a suicide bomber.
2018.06.05 Pakistan Mastung 3 2 Islamic State suicide bombers storm a checkpoint and kill three officers.
2018.06.05 Somalia Balad 5 3 An al-Shabaab ambush leaves five dead.
2018.06.05 Somalia Elka Gelow 12 0 Two lawmakers and ten body guards are taken out by an al-Shabaab rocket.

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2018/07 ... ques-.html

Not bad for a month's work.
#14931095
ingliz wrote:No.

It shows the universality of the message - The knowledge, exchange, dialogue and mutual influence that existed between Christian Europe and Islam.

The trope that Islam is an alien invader is bollocks!
Perhaps it shows that principles of morality and god are all the same when you remove the cultural differences. I doubt this shows some sort of super friendly multicultural exchange and dialogue between Muslims and Christians. The only exchange Christians (in Italy) and Muslims did with each other at that time was raid each other's lands across the Mediterranean.
#14931101
Albert wrote:Perhaps it shows that principles of morality and god are all the same when you remove the cultural differences. I doubt this shows some sort of super friendly multicultural exchange and dialogue between Muslims and Christians. The only exchange Christians (in Italy) and Muslims did with each other at that time was raid each other's lands across the Mediterranean.


Even if this was a sign of universality and multicultural exchange it doesn't say anything about the current Arabs or Muslims, let alone the South Asians Muslisms. These tropes are common subjects in post 1973 Arab propaganda in the West.
#14931131
Albert wrote:Christians (in Italy) and Muslims

Count Roger I of Sicily practiced general toleration towards Arabs and Greeks, even sponsoring the construction of over twelve Greek monasteries in the Val Demone region. In the cities, the Muslims, who had generally secured such rights in their terms of surrender, retained their mosques, their kadis, and freedom of trade; in the country, however, they became serfs. Roger drew the mass of his infantry from the Muslims; Saint Anselm, visiting him at the siege of Capua, 1098, found "the brown tents of the Arabs innumerable".

In 1091 Roger, in order to avoid an attack from North Africa, set sail with a fleet to conquer Malta. His ship reached the island before the rest. On landing, the few defenders the Normans encountered retreated and the following day Roger marched to the capital Mdina. Terms were discussed with the local qadi. It was agreed that the islands would become tributaries of the count himself and that the qadi should continue to administer the islands.

His son, Roger II of Sicily, gathered round him distinguished men of various races, such as the famous Arab geographer Muhammad al-Idrisi and the Byzantine Greek historian Nilus Doxopatrius. The king welcomed the learned and practised toleration towards the several creeds, races and languages of his realm. To administer his domain he hired many Greeks and Arabs, who were trained in long-established traditions of centralized government. He was served by men of diverse nationality, such as the Englishman Thomas Brun, a kaid of the Curia and, in the fleet by two Greeks, first Christodulus and then George of Antioch, whom he made in 1132 ammiratus ammiratorum or "Emir of Emirs", in effect prime vizier. (This title later became the English word admiral). Roger made Sicily the leading maritime power in the Mediterranean.

(in Italy)

Roger I

In 1057 Count Roger shared the conquest of nearly all of Calabria excepting Reggio with his brother Robert

Roger II

When William II of Apulia died childless in July 1127, Roger II claimed all Hauteville family possessions in the peninsula as well as the overlordship of the Principality of Capua, which had been nominally given to Apulia almost thirty years earlier. However, the union of Sicily and Apulia was resisted by Pope Honorius II and by the subjects of the duchy itself.

By the time of his death at the age of 58, he had succeeded in uniting all the Norman conquests in Italy into one kingdom.


Source: wiki
#14931137
ingliz wrote:Count Roger I of Sicily practiced general toleration towards Arabs and Greeks, even sponsoring the construction of over twelve Greek monasteries in the Val Demone region. In the cities, the Muslims, who had generally secured such rights in their terms of surrender, retained their mosques, their kadis, and freedom of trade; in the country, however, they became serfs. Roger drew the mass of his infantry from the Muslims; Saint Anselm, visiting him at the siege of Capua, 1098, found "the brown tents of the Arabs innumerable".

In 1091 Roger, in order to avoid an attack from North Africa, set sail with a fleet to conquer Malta. His ship reached the island before the rest. On landing, the few defenders the Normans encountered retreated and the following day Roger marched to the capital Mdina. Terms were discussed with the local qadi. It was agreed that the islands would become tributaries of the count himself and that the qadi should continue to administer the islands.

His son, Roger II of Sicily, gathered round him distinguished men of various races, such as the famous Arab geographer Muhammad al-Idrisi and the Byzantine Greek historian Nilus Doxopatrius. The king welcomed the learned and practised toleration towards the several creeds, races and languages of his realm. To administer his domain he hired many Greeks and Arabs, who were trained in long-established traditions of centralized government. He was served by men of diverse nationality, such as the Englishman Thomas Brun, a kaid of the Curia and, in the fleet by two Greeks, first Christodulus and then George of Antioch, whom he made in 1132 ammiratus ammiratorum or "Emir of Emirs", in effect prime vizier. (This title later became the English word admiral). Roger made Sicily the leading maritime power in the Mediterranean.


Roger I

In 1057 Count Roger shared the conquest of nearly all of Calabria excepting Reggio with his brother Robert

Roger II

When William II of Apulia died childless in July 1127, Roger II claimed all Hauteville family possessions in the peninsula as well as the overlordship of the Principality of Capua, which had been nominally given to Apulia almost thirty years earlier. However, the union of Sicily and Apulia was resisted by Pope Honorius II and by the subjects of the duchy itself.

By the time of his death at the age of 58, he had succeeded in uniting all the Norman conquests in Italy into one kingdom.


Source: wiki
The Norman (who were themselves foreigners in Italy) invasion of Sicily was a brief period in Italian history. Stop grasping at straws. In general there was a continues state of hostility between Christendom and Islamic world in middle ages and early modern period.

There were also Venician and Genoan merchants all over the Arab world, especially Alexandria or as far as Baghdad. Yet few localized examples of collaboration and friendliness does not prove that there was some sort of peace and harmony between Islam and Christianity at the time. The general trend was hostility between the two civilizations.
#14931189
SolarCross wrote:Jihad vs Crusades

The Sack of Constantinople (1204)

The actions of the Crusaders directly accelerated the collapse of Christendom in the east, and in the long run facilitated the expansion of Islam into Europe.

...there can be no doubt, even among the unbelievers, but that the hand of the Lord guided all of these events.

Baldwin I of Constantinople


:lol:
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#14931193
Albert wrote:Yea okay, have some decency and stop spreading bullshit around.


Don't hush him, his posts are important. In Eurabia and Oriana Fallaci (Force of Reason, 2004) you read in detail all the symposiums, academic confrences and seminars during the EU Arab "dialogue", but it stays abstarct, while here you read how they succeeded to condition the minds of the Europeans. This Islmophile turn is the brainchild of the Orientalists who were active during the Third Reich like Sigrid Hunke. After the war they succeeded to implant their worldwiev wrapped in progressive "anti racist" and multicultural facade.

The themes that @ingliz uses were all first appeared in "Allahs Sonne iiber dem Abendland (The Sun of Allah Shines over the West) and "Allah ist ganz anders" by Sigrid Hunke, she was Nazi (or "fucking Nazi", as the Italian patrisan, Oriana Fallaci called her) but after 1973 these Third Reich Orientalism took the front.

Orianna Fallaci Force of Reason, 2004

Allahs Sonne iiber dem Abendland. That is The Sun of Allah Shines over the West: the famous essay in which oriental studies scholar Sigrid Hunke argues the absolute superiority of Islam and states that «the influence exerted by the Arabs on the West was the first step in freeing Europe from Christianity». The trouble is that Mrs. Hunke was a fucking Nazi. As learned as you like, as intelligent as you want, but a fucking Nazi.

A book which with the pretext of tearing Europe off its Judaic-Christian roots proposes again the axioms of the Third Reich. Including the alliance with the Arabs in order to fight British imperialism. (In those days anti-Americanism was called anti-Britishism).

Eurabia (Euro Arab League cooperation magazine, 1975) first issue underlines how the future of Europe is directly linked to the future of Middle East and says that any economic agreement has to depend on political agreements: to reflect a «complete identity of European views with the views of the Arab world». In the second issue he goes even further. Because, with a peevish editorial, he demands the European Economic Community to cancel any agreement with Israel and to claim the «millennial contribution made by the Arabs to universal civilization».




The relevant exerpt of Oriana Fallaci. She writes with passion and anger, while in the book Eurabia there are full transcripts of the conferences, meetings, seminars, symposiums, resolutions, declarations and agreements between EU and Arab League

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We also sell it through the little professors of the universities. The historians or alleged historians, the philosophers or alleged philosophers, the scholars or alleged scholars who for thirty years have been denigrating our culture and trying to prove the Superiority-of-Islam. But, above all, we sell it through the merchants of the Financial Club that yesterday we called European Economic Community and today we call European Union. Because, along with the trading of human goods and oil, (send-me-the-oil-and-I'll-take-the-human-goods), the Strasbourg Resolution put forward another demand. Remember? The need to «exalt the immense contribution given by Arab culture to the European development». Along with the warning «immigrants' rights equal to the rights of citizens», the Cairo Convention established the «immigrants' right to propagate and disseminate the Islamic culture». Remember? The two points which drove to the transformation of Europe into Eurabia.
Under the patronage of the Arab League's Secretary General, on March 28th 1977 the Ca' Foscari University in Venice opened the first «Seminar on the Means and Forms of Cooperation
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for the Dissemination of the Arabic Language and its Literary Civilization». A masochism to which also the Vatican Institute of Arab and Islamic Studies participated. With delegates from ten Arab countries (Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Sudan) and eight European countries (Italy, France, Belgium, Holland, Britain, Germany, Denmark, Greece) the sad affair lasted three days, and concluded with an unanimous Resolution which called for «the diffusion of the Arabic language» as well as for «the superiority of Arab culture». And, from then on, the masochism became boundless. All over Europe it was as if the so called Academic World had lost any control, any common sense. The world of journalism, publishing, film-making, the same: whoever defined himself or herself as an "intellectual" seemed to live in the obsession of demonstrating la grandeur of Islam, the superiority of Islam. And everything served the purpose. Falsehood, deceit, mendacity. More or less, what happens in Zamiatin We and in Orwell 1984: the novels where history get rewritten, reinvented, without any decency. Take what happened in April 1983 when German Foreign Minister Hans Dietrich Genscher opened the Hamburg Symposium for the Euro-Arab Dialogue and for an hour he extolled the greatness, the mercy, the beni-
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gnity, the peerless scientific and humanistic richness of Islamic civilization. He called it a «Beacon of Light, a light that for centuries had illuminated Europe, helped Europe escape its barbarism»... That symposium where almost everybody apologized for the iniquities (Crusades, colonialism, etcetera) that ungrateful Europeans had inflicted on the Beacon of Light. Where everybody expressed contempt for those who still nourished doubts or prejudices about Islam. Where our culture was so belittled that the Arab delegates exploited the opportunity for claiming once more the Islamic origins of Judaism and Christianity, for presenting Abraham as a «prophet of Allah» and Jesus Christ as a failed pre-Mohammed. And nobody who dared to protest, to oppose at least an indignant: Have you lost your mind? ! ?
Oh! They spoke of immigrants too, in that symposium. Sure they did. In fact it was there that the term used by the Arab League for the immigrants, «equivalence», became «equality». It was there that our traitors began to say that the rights of Muslim immigrants (not Buddhist or Hindu or Confucian or Greek Orthodox) must be equal to the rights of the host countries' citizens. It was there that they asked us to print newspapers in Arabic, to open radio stations and television channels broadcasting in Arabic. It was there that they
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requested to «increase their presence in trade-unions, in local administrations, in universities, and asked to explore the prospect of their participation in the political life of the host countries». (Read vote). And, from that day on, all the conferences and meetings and seminars and symposiums became more and more an orgiastic apotheosis of Islamic-civilization. A debasement or a condemnation of western civilization.
Absolutely orgiastic. I have collected many complete proceedings of those conferences and meetings and seminars and symposiums, I have studied them, and for God's sake! In each one the apotheosis is so unanimous that it seems to read Allahs Sonne iiber dem Abendland. That is The Sun of Allah Shines over the West: the famous essay in which oriental studies scholar Sigrid Hunke argues the absolute superiority of Islam and states that «the influence exerted by the Arabs on the West was the first step in freeing Europe from Christianity». The trouble is that Mrs. Hunke was a fucking Nazi. As learned as you like, as intelligent as you want, but a fucking Nazi. She was already such in 1935 when at the age of twenty-two she produced a degree thesis claiming that racial purification was an urgent task. Thus, the Jews had to be eliminated in a hurry. She was even more such in 1937 when, the spiritual heiress of Lud-
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wig Ferdinand Clauss (an eminent historian of National-Socialist Germany), she wrote a dissertation where she called Hitler «the best model that History has ever offered to Germany». She was such and more than ever in the early Forties, when together with her sister she joined the Ger-manistischer Wissenschafteinsatz: the German Sciences Service of the SS, the organization conceived and run by Himmler to oversee the Germanization of northern Europe. She was just as much when in the same years the Palestinians and the other Arabs signed alliances with Hitler. For example when the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and uncle of Arafat reviewed the troops of the Islamic SS. (Have you ever seen the photo?). The same, at the aftermath of the Second World War, when many Nazis were tried at Nuremburg and hanged but she got off unscathed. The same, when in 1960 she wrote her famous book. A book which with the pretext of tearing Europe off its Judaic-Christian roots proposes again the axioms of the Third Reich. Including the alliance with the Arabs in order to fight British imperialism. (In those days anti-Americanism was called anti-Britishism). The same, in 1967 when the German government led by Christian Democrat Kurt Georg Kiesinger sent her on a cultural tour of Arab countries to give lectures in Aleppo, Algiers, Tunis, Tripoli, Cairo
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where the Supreme Court of Islamic Affairs appointed her an honorary member. And, more than ever, she was such in 1990. That is when, nine years before dying, she wrote for an Islamic publisher her last book: Allah ist ganz anders: Allah is something else entirely. (Meaning, something unparalleled. Matchless, incomparable). This said, let me tell you about the conference which along with the Council of Europe and at the suggestion of the Fundacion Occidental de la Cultura Islami-ca, longa manus of the Euro-Arab Dialogue in Madrid, the Parliamentary Assembly of the European Union held in May 1991 in Paris. Title, «The contribution of Islamic civilization to European culture». A conference which the Arabs did not even care to attend. Apart from two Americans with Koranesque surnames, this time all the delegates were European. I mean Spanish, French, Belgian, German, Italian, Swiss, Scandinavian.
Among all the material I have assembled in the last years, I choose it because they were all Europeans. And, as I read again the volume containing their speeches, my indignation turns into dismay. In fact all the participants who take part in the apotheosis echo Sigrid Hunke's Nazi propositions. Unawarely, I hope, they rephrase to Allahs Sonne iiber dem Abendland or Allah ist ganz an-ders. And the synchronization with which these
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hopefully-unaware disciples of Sigrid Hunke.pay their homage to Islam is chilling. So chilling that instead of listening to a conclave of scholars, you feel like watching a Wehrmacht parade in Alexan-derplatz. Always clever, the Muslims. Always at the top. Always ingenious. In philosophy, in mathematics, in gastronomy, in literature, in architecture, in medicine, in music, in law, in hydraulics, in cooking. And always stupid, we westerners. Always inadequate, always inferior. Therefore obliged to thank some son of Allah who preceded us. Who enlightened us. Who acted as a schoolteacher guiding dimwitted pupils.
In the days of the Soviet Union there was Popov. Nobody knew who Popov was or had been. When or in what region he had lived or died, what his face had been like, what proof of his existence he had left. It was not even known whether the name Popov was a first name or a surname or a nickname or an invention. But the Soviets and the Italian servants of the Soviets used to tell us that he had invented everything. The train, the telegraph, the telephone, the bicycle, the zipper, the sewing machine, the lawnmower, the violin, the
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ice-cream, the pizza. I mean all the things that we thought the West had invented. Well: with the hopefully-unaware-disciples of Sigrid Hunke, it's quite the same. Only difference, their Popovs are called Muhammad or Ahmad or Mustafa or Rashid. And instead of belonging to the Soviet Union, instead of representing the superiority of Communism, they belong to the past of Islam and represent the superiority of Islam. For example: I believed that the sherbet was already eaten at the time of the Ancient Romans who manufactured it with snow brought from the mountains and conserved it in cold cellars. But Margarita Lopez Gomez of the «Fundacion Occidental de is Cultura Islarnica in Madrid» tells me that it was invented by the Popovs of Allah. That in Mesopotamia the snow could be conserved better than in our modern refrigerators. That the word «sherbet» comes from the Arabic «sharab».
I also believed that paper had been invented by the Chinese. To be precise, by a certain Tsai-lun who in 105 Anno Domini (therefore 500 years before the Prophet) succeeded in manufacturing paper from mulberry and bamboo fibres. But, always according to Margarita Lopez Gomez, paper was invented by the Muslims of Damascus and Baghdad then widespread by their descendants in Cordoba and in Granada. (The «most splendid and ci-
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del-dogs but because they profoundly admired those Popovs. He also adds that the Normans, their chasers, admired them as much. And it goes without saying that during the Conference Belgian and French delegates outdo him a lot. In his passionate encomium, for instance, the Director of the Paris Institut du Monde Arabe, Professor Edgar Pisani, reproach the Jacobins who during the French Revolution negotiated with the Catholic Church and not with Islam.
Look, in these one hundred and eighty-five pages I can see only one hero: the Norwegian congressman Hallgrim Berg who at the Strasbourg Assembly convened to approve the conference report, took the floor and gave Sigrid Hunke's disciples a good answer. «Ladies and gentlemen» he said «here we are fooling ourselves: this report has nothing to do with a retrospective view of Islamic Culture and is not as innocent as it looks. It is not, first of all, because it does not spend a word for the abominable treatment that women undergo and have always undergone in the Islamic culture. Such indisputable fact has been completely ignored by you, completely covered
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up under the pretext that Westerners have always told a pack of lies about Islam. And I shall never accept a report which hides the tragedy of Muslim women instead of taking a stand against it. I shall never vote for a report which avoids the question of Human Rights in Islam. Which blathers of Human Rights in the world but does not ask Islam to respect Human Rights in its world. A report, furthermore, which hides the truth about the Israeli-Palestinian problem. Which covers up the crimes of Islamic fundamentalism and all the other negative features of Islam. Ladies and gentlemen, which kind of Euro-Arab Dialogue are you chattering about??? Yours is no dialogue. It's a solitary diatribe where, in the name of liberal thought and of intellectual generosity, things are seen from one point of view only. But liberal thought and intellectual generosity don't work when they exist on one side only. You ask, for instance, for the withdrawal of school texts which make no mention of the presumed «contribution made by Islam to the culture of Europe». But what about the contribution that the West has given and gives to their progress? Have we any evidence of their intention to explain in Islamic countries the immense contribution that Christianity and Western values have brought everywhere? You also ask to introduce the study of
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Koranic Law in our educational system. Especially in our universities. What about the introduction of our Law in their educational system, their universities? Have we any reason to believe that such study will ever be permitted in their schools? Ladies and gentlemen, your report is not a cultural document. It is a political document which serves exclusively the purpose of underpinning the Islamic interests all over Europe. In the name of democracy I ask that it be revised, discussed, rectified, and...». But it was no use. «Mr. Berg, you must admit that we have been very flexible with you. We've allowed you five minutes, and the five minutes have passed a long time ago» interrupted the president of the Assembly. Then he put Berg's request to the vote, Berg's request was rejected, and the report was approved unanimously. It became «Recomman-dation Numero 1162 sur la Contribution de la Civilization Islamique a la Culture Europeenne». A piece of tomfoolery that suggests more tolerant rules on immigration and calls for the withdrawal of Western school texts not sufficiently respectful to Islam. It also calls for the introduction of Koran studies in our faculties of law, theology, philosophy and history.
Not surprisingly, I came to learn that soon after the approval of the Recommandation Nu-
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mero 1162 Mr. Berg abandoned politics. He left Strasbourg Parliament, went back to Norway, and threatening to throw off the cliffs anyone who reminded him of the European Parliament he retired to a forest overlooking the fjords of Nordkinnhalvaya. But not even there did he find the peace belonged for. Because a couple of years later his Norway was used as the setting for a film entitled «The Thirteenth Knight»: a sort of medieval fable interpreted by a Spanish actor who had previously distinguished himself playing Mussolini as a young socialist: Antonio Bande-ras. And do you know who is, the «Thirteenth Knight»? A most handsome, most mild, most merciful and of course most religious Muslim who, escorted by a no less perfect tutor (Omar Shari° in the Tenth Century ends up right among the fjords of Nordkinnhalvaya. There he meets twelve obtuse and ignorant blond louts who, being infidel-dogs, are in need of his Islamic virtues. Out of pure nobility he joins them, together with them he establishes peace and civilization. Then he reunites with Omar Sharif who being a Muslim and therefore a pacifist had stayed behind to pray and, carrying off a Norwegian girl clearly destined to become the first of four wives, rides off into the sun. The Sun-of-Allah-that-shines-over-the-West.
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Well, I never found out if Mr. Berg ever recovered or not from the trauma. In return I know that in subsequent European Union's conferences The Recommandation Numero 1162 was extended to philology, linguistics, economics, agronomy, political science. That it exhorted to establish Euro-Arab universities in every country of Europe, to publish more Islamic books, to mobilize all the media. And the results were immediate. Last summer a leftist Rome newspaper, La Repubblica, printed an article on the opening of the great mosque in Granada. More than an article, a Sigrid Hunke hymn to the glory of the Prophet. Recalling that in 1492 Isabella of Castile had not only completed the expulsion of the Moors from Spain but had also financed the voyage of Christopher Columbus to the West Indies, the hymn concluded with the following words: «Columbus succeeded. But he also discovered America. And now we live in a world which is still suffering from the success of those Isabella's two enterprises».
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noir wrote:Orientalism

"Orientalism" represents the power imbalances of imperialist relations and, in depicting the Muslim world in particular as a single, monolithic entity, effacing the diversity of culture, belief, and opinion that actually exists, it is used to perpetuate these imbalances.

Orientalism is a style of thought based upon an ontological and epistemological distinction between "the Orient" and (most of the time) "the occident." Thus a very large mass of writers, among whom are poets, novelists, philosophers, political theorists, economists, and imperial administrators, have accepted the basic distinction between East and West as the starting point for elaborate theories, epics, novels, social descriptions, and political accounts concerning the Orient, its people, "mind," destiny, and so on.

Edward Said


:lol:
#14931200
The book Orientalism by the "Christian Arab" "Palestinian" (Egyptian born), Edward Said, is the source of the evil and was written by pertodollar money. The book that single handedly changed the course of Western academic

Back to Oriana Fallaci book. Fallaci found only one European who stood up and truthfillly spoke against the treachery committed by the continent's leaders against their own people. He was the Norwegian Hallgrim Berg who took the floor at the Strasbourg Assembly 1991


"Recommendation Numero 1162 sur la Contribution de la Civilization Islamique a la Culture Europeenne». at the Strasbourg Assembly 1991.

Look, in these one hundred and eighty-five pages I can see only one hero: the Norwegian congressman Hallgrim Berg who at the Strasbourg Assembly convened to approve the conference report, took the floor and gave Sigrid Hunke's disciples a good answer. «Ladies and gentlemen» he said «here we are fooling ourselves: this report has nothing to do with a retrospective view of Islamic Culture and is not as innocent as it looks. It is not, first of all, because it does not spend a word for the abominable treatment that women undergo and have always undergone in the Islamic culture. Such indisputable fact has been completely ignored by you, completely covered up under the pretext that Westerners have always told a pack of lies about Islam. And I shall never accept a report which hides the tragedy of Muslim women instead of taking a stand against it. I shall never vote for a report which avoids the question of Human Rights in Islam. Which blathers of Human Rights in the world but does not ask Islam to respect Human Rights in its world. A report, furthermore, which hides the truth about the Israeli-Palestinian problem. Which covers up the crimes of Islamic fundamentalism and all the other negative features of Islam.


Ladies and gentlemen, which kind of Euro-Arab Dialogue are you chattering about??? Yours is no dialogue. It's a solitary diatribe where, in the name of liberal thought and of intellectual generosity, things are seen from one point of view only. But liberal thought and intellectual generosity don't work when they exist on one side only. You ask, for instance, for the withdrawal of school texts which make no mention of the presumed «contribution made by Islam to the culture of Europe». But what about the contribution that the West has given and gives to their progress? Have we any evidence of their intention to explain in Islamic countries the immense contribution that Christianity and Western values have brought everywhere? You also ask to introduce the study of Koranic Law in our educational system. Especially in our universities. What about the introduction of our Law in their educational system, their universities? Have we any reason to believe that such study will ever be permitted in their schools?

Ladies and gentlemen, your report is not a cultural document. It is a political document which serves exclusively the purpose of underpinning the Islamic interests all over Europe. In the name of democracy I ask that it be revised, discussed, rectified, and...». But it was no use. «Mr. Berg, you must admit that we have been very flexible with you. We've allowed you five minutes, and the five minutes have passed a long time ago» interrupted the president of the Assembly. Then he put Berg's request to the vote, Berg's request was rejected, and the report was approved unanimously. It became «Recomman-dation Numero 1162 sur la Contribution de la Civilization Islamique a la Culture Europeenne». A piece of tomfoolery that suggests more tolerant rules on immigration and calls for the withdrawal of Western school texts not sufficiently respectful to Islam. It also calls for the introduction of Koran studies in our faculties of law, theology, philosophy and history.

Not surprisingly, I came to learn that soon after the approval of the Recommandation Numero 1162 Mr. Berg abandoned politics. He left Strasbourg Parliament, went back to Norway, and threatening to throw off the cliffs anyone who reminded him of the European Parliament he retired to a forest overlooking the fjords of Nordkinnhalvaya.
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noir wrote:Oriana Fallaci

Oriana Fallaci, the celebrated Italian journalist whose high-octane interviews with powerful men had such éclat in the seventies, and whose memoir of her dead lover, the Greek resistance fighter Alexander Panagoulis, might be described as a classic of hysterical materialism?

The Rage and the Pride (2002) reviewed:

This is a sort of primer in how not to write about Islam. Fallaci claims in her introduction that in order to shorten the diatribe for newspaper purposes she "set aside the most violent passages." I wonder what those passages can have been like; the residue is replete with an obsessive interest in excrement, disease, sexual mania, and insectlike reproduction, insofar as these apply to Muslims in general and to Muslim immigrants in Europe.

Christopher Hitchens writing in The Atlantic


:lol:
#14931211
ingliz wrote:The Sack of Constantinople (1204)

The actions of the Crusaders directly accelerated the collapse of Christendom in the east, and in the long run facilitated the expansion of Islam into Europe.

...there can be no doubt, even among the unbelievers, but that the hand of the Lord guided all of these events.

Baldwin I of Constantinople

:lol:

What you think was funny was rather tragic and terrible. Christendom scored an own goal that day. Islam has schisms and infighting of its own though, Sunni vs Shia, though I bet you don't find that funny.
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Albert wrote:Christendom and [the] Islamic world in middle ages

The Council of Vienne, Decree 24, approved the study of "Hebrew, Arabic and Chaldaic" for Catholic scholars. The Council also decreed the establishment of chairs (professorships) of Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic at the Universities of Avignon, Paris, Oxford, Bologna and Salamanca, stipulating that two experts in situ at each of the designated study centres should “make faithful translations of books from these languages into Latin."

Decree XXIV, The Council of Vienne, 1311-1312 wrote:We desire earnestly that holy church should be well supplied with catholic scholars acquainted with the languages most in use by unbelievers.


:)
#14931226
ingliz wrote:The Council of Vienne, Decree 24, approved the study of "Hebrew, Arabic and Chaldaic" for Catholic scholars. The Council also decreed the establishment of chairs (professorships) of Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic at the Universities of Avignon, Paris, Oxford, Bologna and Salamanca, stipulating that two experts in situ at each of the designated study centres should “make faithful translations of books from these languages into Latin."



:)
So?
#14931230
Albert wrote:So?



He tries to say, "multiculturalism" is no strange to Europe. He mentioned Hebrew. To say, the Church learned Hebrew for tolerance and multiculturalism is a bit stretch. They learned it for their own merits. To prove their suprior "universal message" over Judaism which Christianity never felt assured about. At that time the Jews were locked in the ghettos by decree. Learning Hebrew had nothing to do with tolerance and multiculturalism.

This theme is repeated in Euro Arab bilateral relations ever since 1973 rapprochement. In the end, only the Muslim side benefited from this one sided so called multiculturism. They implanted a huge amount of their population, never intented to assimilate, far greater than what the Europeans colonials ever did in the Levante and North Africa.

Basically it's the standard learning in petrodolloar-financed Islamic Studies centers in the West. He mentioned the crook, Edward Said's Orientalism as his gospel. It says everything.
#14931236
noir wrote:He tries to say, "multiculturalism" is no strange to Europe. He mentioned Hebrew. To say, the Church learned Hebrew for tolerance and multiculturalism is a bit stretch. They learned it for their own merits. To prove their suprior "universal message" over Judaism which Christianity never felt assured about. At that time the Jews were locked in the ghettos by decree. Learning Hebrew had nothing to do with tolerance and multiculturalism.

This theme is repeated in Euro Arab bilateral relations ever since 1973 rapprochement. In the end, only the Muslim side benefited from this one sided so called multiculturism. They implanted a huge amount of their population, never intented to assimilate, far greater than what the Europeans colonials ever did in the Levante and North Africa.

Basically it's the standard learning in petrodolloar-financed Islamic Studies centers in the West. He mentioned the crook, Edward Said's Orientalism as his gospel. It says everything.
Hebrew was used to study the bible and still is used, I imagine Arabic was also used as a lot of theological text, academic and literate was available in Arabic. So I do not see what is the big deal that Catholic church will approve the study of such languages.

Yes, Ingliz either sincerely believe in revisionist history that he is presenting. Or he might be just trolling.
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Albert wrote:Hebrew was used to study the bible and still is used, I imagine Arabic was also used as a lot of theological text, academic and literate was available in Arabic. So I do not see what is the big deal that Catholic church will approve the study of such languages.



In the Euro Arab Dialogue it's pivotal important to make Europe humble and "generous" towards Islam. With this historical manipulation the Arab world succeded to extract many concessions.

Yes, Ingliz either sincerely believe in revisionist history that he is presenting. Or he might be just trolling.


You make its personal but this fabricated propaganda is standard in many universities in the West.
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noir wrote:In the Euro Arab Dialogue it's pivotal important to make Europe humble and "generous" before Islam.
Well yes, it benefits them. It benefits them to such point that they are getting away with terrorizing the whole of European continent without retribution. Because our leaders themselves believe in their humanitarian bullshit.

You make its personal but this fabricated propaganda is standard in many universities in the West.
It is personal, Ingliz is a communist, if people like him ever got into power I would be send to prison or shot dead. These people are radicals, communist wrecked so many countries and so many lives wherever they took power. Yet there is still people that claim to be part of such ideology. It is dangerous ideological sect.
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