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#14869217
Pants-of-dog wrote:I doubt that martyrdom in the service of others is actually considered the same as “martyrdom” in one’s own service.


They aren't the same, but they are both martyrdom. They are both suffering for the faith. The greatest love is laying down one's life for a friend, but if God is truly your friend, you will lay down your life in His service and out of obedience to His teachings, no matter how politically incorrect and unpopular they may be.

That is the mark of a true Christian, being loyal unto death, even for beliefs that others feel content to ridicule as prejudiced, backward, antiquated, or mean.
#14869220
Pants-of-dog wrote:Well, good thing I know many good Christians who have a higher standard of martyrdom.


Sure, if only Marxists can be Christians, you are probably right. :lol:
#14869225
Pants-of-dog wrote:How did you get that out of what I said?


hmmmm....let me think....

When archbishop Romero was killed by capitalists for daring to care about the poor, that was martyrdom.


No Idea :eh:
#14869233
Pants-of-dog wrote:then you are either good at jumping to conclusions or bad at reading comprehension.


Psychological projection is probably something you want to avoid, I believe there are treatments that can help with that. Perhaps, if you post more details on what constitutes a good Christian martyr other than an example of a Marxist, one would not be so apt to draw such conclusions as to what you may in fact believe.
#14869241
I totally understand why you jumped to that conclusion.

It just seems odd that you would do so considering how you pride yourself on your ability to think logically.

It is logically possible for a Marxist to use examples from liberation theology to illustrate martyrdom and for that same Marxist to believe that martyrdom csn include more than just liberation theology.

Also, I do not think Romero was a Marxist.
#14869262
Romero was a conscientious priest. There are Christian socialists. Lots of them.

Control freaks who have to have their kids obey them like little soldiers. One gets respect from one's children through love and good communication and consistent discipline based on what is best for the child in the long run. Love and Logic. That is how one should raise kids.

They are human beings who feel, think and need just like adults. But they have less experience. I think I read once from a truly spiritual leader once, "Always remember that your children don't belong to you. They come through you....but they are not your possessions. They have their own thoughts, own dreams and own destinies. Your duty as a parent is to facilitate who they want to become in life through loving and nurturing support and guidance. Not through control and force."
#14869267
Victoribus Spolia wrote:How did saying that I shouldn't be a father not count as an Ad-Hominem?



What gives you that opinion about my character?



You fail to make the proper distinction, I am not willing to kicked out of my job because I am so insistent of being right, but because I know the truth and have been commanded to sacrifice for it, This is called martyrdom.



quite possibly, and a risk worth taking.



It has and will do so more in the future, but suffering for His namesake is what I am called to do in life.



I don't have control, I'm along for the ride and do what I can, but I am resolute in my convictions, even unto death. You are free to sneer and insult this, but I remain committed nonetheless.


You are resolute in your convictions? Now you are playing at being Jesus Christ? There is almost zero of Christ like behavior in you. Zero.

You have a lot more in common with Phillistines, Pharisees, false prophets and discriminatory Roman officials corrupted by power and a need to have the subjugated Jewish nation doing their bidding than anything with Christ the Redeemer. Don't fool yourself. De Cristo no tienes NADA. Of Christ you have nothing.

Christ according to Reza's "Zealot" was shaking up both his own Rabbis and the situation of Rome in his part of Palestine, and the holy lands. He wound up crucified because he was a threat to both power groups. The Roman Empire and the power of the religious dogmatic Rabbis who controlled who was obeyed within the Jewish faith.

There is an old Arab saying that applies to how one knows if someone is a servant of God or not...."By their fruits you shall know them" is the biblical term. The Arab term is 'those who serve others selflessly from all faiths, creeds and lands and protect all without selfish self interest involved are the true leaders." It means that those who oppress others, enslave others, discriminate against others only reveal their lack of leadership, their lack of martyrdom and their lack of selflessness.

You have zero of Christ. Don't fool yourself.

You have an ego the size of Mt Everest. First sign of lack of Christian virtue right there.
#14869277
Godstud wrote:Maybe this will help:

Martyr
a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.

Sorry, but getting fired for your beliefs, is not martyrdom.


Getting fired from a job for saying sexist remarks to the point of alienating the wife of the Synod or whoever is in charge of the church and offending half of the human race and then your children suffering financially because of your need to be 'right' and control everyone is not martydom. Not for him. But for everyone else who makes the mistake of following an egomaniac false religious person. The world is full of fake Christians who want to have their cake and eat it too. They don't want to sacrifice for the poor, and they don't want to deal with Blacks or x or y race or creed, they want to go back to monarchies when they live under capitalism with a mixed economy cheap versions of distorted representative democracies run by cynical plutocrats in both parties.

I got news for them. Being Christ like is hard as can be. It means not hating anyone. Even those who spit in your face, who hate your guts, don't obey you, ridicule you and hate on you for something you never did. It means serving the poor and the destitute. It means giving your worldly goods away to the poor and living on faith alone, it means serving others first before your own needs, it means sacrificing your life for others and their needs. It means seeing humanity in even the most vile of criminals. It means renouncing POWER. Mundane power. Not being involved in political fights for power.

Christ was in the desert and Satan came and tested him. He offered him riches, and armies and gold and being king, etc. Why did Satan offer Christ that in the desert? Because Satan controls this world. The rich, the generals, the kings, all of it. Satan can't offer Christ the Redeemer something he doesn't control. So? Christ did not accept the offer. It would have been a lot easier if he had. But he did not. He sacrificed because he did not give in to riches, power, war, status, position. Yet all these 'supposed' Christians are declaring themselves 'Christ-like' and they back someone like Trump or Roy Moore or some FAKE FALSE CHILD MOLESTER for mundane power grabs.

They can go straight to hell with their false Christian fake values!




I screwed some other woman but I repent!
#14869286
Godstud wrote:Maybe this will help:

Martyr
a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.

Sorry, but getting fired for your beliefs, is not martyrdom.


You guys are being far too pedantic...

He is obviously using an archaic definition of the word from the time when it was akin to the modern word Sacrifice before it took on the more specific meaning of "Sacrificing your life". To be a Martyr was to commit "sacrifice" and the act of dying for ones belief was called "Martyrdom".

I still fucken say Holy Ghost....

Does Ghost mean the same now as it did in older English? No. But as I understand the old definition of the word and am reading it from a Shakespearian standpoint I don't fucken care.

It means "Manifesting/Working/Good Spirit" in old English and "Evil Apparition/Spirit" in Modern English.... In fact "Spirit" had the horror definition in old English.

You guys are being pedantic. He is a KJV lover, quoted from that version of the bible. I myself am a Douay fan.
#14869287
colliric wrote:You guys are being far too pedantic...

He is obviously using an archaic definition of the word from the time when it was akin to the modern word Sacrifice before it took on the more specific meaning of "Sacrificing your life". To be a Martyr was to commit "sacrifice" and the act of dying for ones belief was called "Martyrdom".

I still fucken say Holy Ghost....

Does Ghost mean the same now as it did in older English? No. But as I understand the old definition of the word and am reading it from a Shakespearian standpoint I don't fucken care.

It means "Manifesting/Working/Good Spirit" in old English and "Evil Apparition/Spirit" in Modern English.... In fact "Spirit" had the horror definition in old English.

You guys are being pedantic. He is a KJV lover, quoted from that version of the bible. I myself am a Douay fan.


Colliric did you read what Anarchist23 posted about the guy in question? I don't think you have. If you did? You would not be thinking we are fighting about wording. The supposed Martyr is a martyr of his own ego. Nothing else.

Ask @anarchist23 to send you the research on the supposed martyr here.

I have a very low tolerance for fake Christians who want to establish some kind of David Koresh compound in the Rust Belt and teach their family to hate Blacks and not give their daughters any rights. And re establish some nutty Monarchy. Talk about some "Terminator" movie as if it was real.

There is a lot to do to help people in real need already. Why waste time on feeding egos of people who have delusions of being Christ the Redeemer in a Rust Belt rural hunting farm? I won't.

People who are already homeless and need help. Kids who need to get adopted. People with no money who need a free education. There is enough work to keep all of us writing here busy for the rest of our lives. I don't waste time on egomaniac, women hating, racist young men who have their wives wipe asses all day and clean and cook and sacrifice so they can spend their 'valuable' time trying to antagonize the evil Marxists and socialists and commies and libertarians and anyone who is not as fantasy ridden and foolish as they are on the internet.

Fake Christians are a big waste of time!

"I am willing to die for my convictions." No you are not. You are willing to enslave your wife with child care duties while you pontificate on crap that doesn't even exist. Christ like is not you. Don't fool yourself!
#14869301
I've known Protestants like him.

I immediately figured out he is probably a KJV-Onlyist or mega-fan, because I immediately recognized the verses.

As odd as he may seem to be as a human being, his definition of Martyr is the KJV 17th Century English definition.

To argue about that part of his post is dumb. Argue that Jesus basically said "fathers should be forgiving" in the Prodigal Son parable instead, and basically revised the torah's penalties for sins without undoing the law. Hence the "death penalty" for specifically disrespecting a father or mother was waivered in favour of forgiveness and repentance and no it is not biblically defendable to kill a son for betraying/insulting his father

He is valid in his belief that it is a correct definition of the word, though not the modern English definition. I mean some people still say Gay in place of Joy. People use old definitions, and are right it is still a useable understandable version of English. Golden Gaytime icecream is not currently called Golden Joytime...... And it doesn't mean "Golden Homosexual-Time ice cream".
#14869304
@colliric I don't care what KJV version of anything he may believe. The reality of what is going on with his motivations for being here? I really don't think it is about true political debate.

Painting himself as some long suffering martyr of what? It is terrifically hypocritical.

I have no idea how VS even feels about Asian people and if he did and continues with his racist thoughts and knows you are of Chinese descent? Who knows? He is a man with thoughts that are about discrimination and finding ways to justify that. But worse than that it is all about fantasy versions of politics.

These series of fake stuff related to "Christianity" I really don't even know why people bother. You either are consistent with living a real Chirstian life or you are not. The same goes for all political ideologies. You either are sincere or you are not.

To claim you represent the love of Christ but believe in sexism, racism, and really anti Christian stuff? No, Colliric I have no 'poor me' I am a victim of the world fake martyrdom for those posters.

Protestant or not protestant.
#14869309
You either are consistent with living a real Christian life or you are not. The same goes for all political ideologies. You either are sincere or you are not.


The problem, if it can even be called that, is that Jesus basically said "You're going to fail and sin, so I forgive you".....

Christianity is meant to be a religion of forgiveness, that makes "what is a real Christian" a difficult proposition that "only God knows".

Jesus basically taught "you should be consistent, but no one will be consistent so you should also forgive each other frequently, as I forgive you"....

There is no contradiction in his teaching, there is simply high complexity.
#14869314
:lol: @colliric Bite me!
You can't simply make a word mean what you want it to say, There are definitions to words. Pretending that I got denied a hotel room simply because I won't take a single bed , when I requested a double bed, makes me a martyr, is simply erroneous.
#14869799
I believe that the Court should rule against the cake shop owners for the reasons outlined here < https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/the-right-to-refuse-service-can-a-business-refuse-service-to-someone-because-of-appearance , http://beta.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-melling-masterpiece-cakeshop-supreme-court-20171204-story.html > And if they Court rulers in favor of Masterpiece Cake Shop then I expect that it will set a disturbing precedent . For example , http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=2827800 . And just because one provides a service to someone it does not necessarily equate to giving approval to that person's free choices . Image And lastly , don't quote me on this , but I believe that a business , rightly or not , does have the right to restrict services to select persons on their client list , but not if they are open to the general public . Case in point , http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/gay-hair-stylist-drops-new-mexico-governor-client-opposes-same-sex-marriage-article-1.1027072 .
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