Buzz62 wrote:Both are assault.
Do you consider both equally moral?
I didn't enslave anyone. Nor am I gonna wear the cloak of guilt you seem so comfy in.
Since I never claimed or asked for any of these things, we shall move on...
Nor am I gonna put allot of stock in a paper funded by the Proteus Fund.
This is an ad hominem fallacy.
Pretty much everyone knows that the jails are full of black people, and that crime is rampant in black neighborhoods, and that the established systems governing, may be somewhat at fault for this.
But both are guilty of assault, and to me, that's all that really matters.
Okay, but that is not what I am asking.
I am asking if you see a moral difference between these two situations.
You seem to think the evil white guy should spend eternity paying for his evils.
And I'll make you a deal. I'll start feeling guilty about evils I have not commited, when you start feeling guilty for all the multiple-father, single-mother families on welfare.
Since I do not want you to feel guilty nor care about your guilt at all, I will simply ignore this.
Bulaba Jones wrote:I'd like to clarify this: are you saying you think a person assaulting someone because of their ethnic/racial background isn't racism if it's someone assaulting someone who is white because they are white?
If we define racism as simply prejudices or discrimination, then both are racism.
But one is systemic and the other is not. This is because of the two different historical and modern contexts that the two races experience in western societies. One group has power to enforce their racism at almost every level of society while the other one does not, and this is a significant qualitative difference.
It would be like saying that the working class experience class warfare, and pointing out that the rich also have to deal wih class warfare, and then calling both of these "classism" and then stopping our analysis there.
Or are you devil's advocating and pointing out the justice system in the US considers racial violence against non-whites more seriously than racial violence against whites?
No. I am saying that even though white on black racism is systemic and more socially significant (or more likely because of this!) , black on white racism is probably more often considered a crime.
jessupjonesjnr87 wrote:@Pants-of-dog, you say white people dont deal with racism but if someone was attacked for being white then they would be dealing with racism. And it doesnt matter if you alone believe in your views or not.
Yes, it would be an individual act of racism and not part of a larger pattern of socially enforced systemic racism.