[Beren]

Like me personally? Not really no. I stand by the choices I've made.

So do you keep reacting to every fucking bullshit as long as they come?

If you mean as a party, i mean it's pretty clear that ties are being cut at least publicly and she wont be running again. So she's already "dropped" so to speak.

I mean whether you side with her if she means to keep her influence in the party. Are you still her man?

[mikema63]

So do you keep reacting to every fucking bullshit as long as they come?

Sure, I get perverse pleasure out of being contrarian.

I mean whether you side with her if she means to keep her influence in the party. Are you still her man?

The initiatives she has put up since the election like onward together (which funds and helps groups like "run for something" which recruits and helps young people run for office, "swing left" which focuses on swing districts, "emerge america" which encourages and trains women to run for office, etc.) are rather worthwhile things I'd support.

If her influence within the party is leveraging her network to help energize the party and bring in new blood I'm all for it. Behind the scenes funding and organizing for other groups seems like the appropriate use of her time and influence.

[blackjack21]

Old news, actually.

DNC is not a democracy.

Neither is Thailand at the moment.

Trump was right to alienate both swamps.

He was absolutely right.

The allegations don't really being up anything new, except that they were made by someone who was accused of tipping the scales for Clinton in the past.

Brazile said she felt like a "slave." Way to play the race card!

Bernie would be POTUS right now, if this bitch and her bitchettes hadn't cheated.

That is the irony for all these Clinton apologists. They hate Trump, but in effect they are the ones who made him president.

Still, the Democrats were clearly interested in keeping up the appearance that they were running a fair race. To turn around now and say that they didn't have a legal obligation to do so is a bit rich. So one would think that the party would acknowledge that it not only misled its voters but that, considering the outcome, it was wrong in doing so.

The interesting thing will be is if they can demonstrate that Hillary Clinton broke the law.

Clinton couldn't have rigged the primaries. The states run the primaries.

She controlled the purse strings, which carries significant influence.

Trump is an idiot.

Hillary got beat by an idiot?

AKA he didn't get support from a very large and important part of the democratic primary base, minority voters.

Uh... well, there's the "Black Lives Matter" bit. Soros and the Clintons used that tactic to attack O'Malley and Sanders. They didn't attack Hillary Clinton even though her "superpredator" speech in support of her husband's crime bill is what put so many black people in prison over the last 20+ years.

The lengths to which people will go dancing around one of the most fundamental challenges for bernies campaign and the campaign of any future white progressive is pretty hilarious.

If not for the blacks bernie would have fixed everything.

A lot of blacks don't like the Jews. It's one of the problems the DNC faces with trying to marshall a bunch of minorities into a cohesive unit.

She got 3 million more votes than Trump in the general. She won the popular vote.

And she still lost to someone you characterize as an idiot. She didn't even bother to campaign in Wisconsin.

Studies have shown that identical resumes with only the applicants race changed have different call back and interview rates as well as lower hiring rates.

Resumes generally don't state a person's race. If your name is Shaniqua, Latifah, Jacquizz, Shabooboo or Sha Nay Nay, you may experience some difficulties getting a call back.

The absolute nonsense the right on PoFo has indulged in crying for the poor NAZI's makes that post ridiculous and laughable.

Nazis are people too, and in the United States they have the right to form a political party and they have freedom of speech just like the rest of us. If you start violence against them, things will understandably take a turn for the worse. I don't hear anybody defending Nazi political positions. I have heard people say you can't lawfully prevent peaceful assembly.

Such ridiculous crying about anyone bringing up racial issues as a legitimate concern deserve to be condescended to in an environment where people can't seem to help themselves but defend a NAZI murderer.

Giving someone their presumption of innocence and allowing for a fair trial is not the same thing as endorsing the positions of the Nazi party. You Hillary supporters haven't had too much to say for BLM affiliates who have shot and killed numerous police officers. BLM folks have killed plenty of people. Why should we wax eloquent when murderers like BLM types are apparently run over by a neo-Nazi?

If you mean as a party, i mean it's pretty clear that ties are being cut at least publicly and she wont be running again. So she's already "dropped" so to speak.

That should have been done much sooner. She lost in 2008 to a black man with no executive experience and no history of legislative accomplishment in an otherwise pretty thin legislative career. So it was clear she wasn't liked even in 2008. As for sexism, the Democrats were willing to trash Sarah Palin to no end. The problem for the Democratic party is that they are openly attacking white people just because they are white.

[skinster]

While everyone is arguing and bickering and pointing out very petty things, I want to just address the elephant in the room and point out that Assad has more morale scruples than most of the Democratic candidates for president, especially Hillary.

[Oxymoron]

They're people just like you.

So are the people in insane asylums.

[Tainari88]

I supported Bernie Sanders because he was a very logical, and reasonable man with a moderate agenda that was realistic. But I guess he was too "Radical"for the DNC. I found the establishment liberals about as repulsive and about as hypocritical or more than many conservatives on the RNC side. They lost the election because they are bought and paid for by the same power brokers as the Republicans are. Both conventional establishment parties Dems and Repubs are equally corrupt accepting money for favors and the only difference in politics and issues is how much to negotiate for their corrupt votes.

They both disgust me. The only clean politico in the senate in my opinion was Bernie Sanders. I am not surprised he is a self declared socialist. Decent socialists are a lot more honest than any corrupt liberal a la Hillary.

[Godstud]

Neither is Thailand at the moment.

Strawman. Being stupid doesn't make your arguments any better. Trump and Clinton didn't campaign in Thailand, to my knowledge. Isn't that the topic?

Incidentally, the US is a Plutocracy, so it's not a democracy, either.

That is the irony for all these Clinton apologists.

No one is apologizing for Clinton. Your statement is childish. They're merely pointing out that between Trump and Clinton, the intelligent, least destructive course of action, was to pick Clinton. That's simply fact that you can't accept, because it doesn't confirm your bias for racism and bigotry, that Trump represents.

Hillary got beat by an idiot?

Yes, and idiots are often very popular among Americans. People often dumb themselves down, because Americans are intimidated by intelligence. Clinton got beat by herself, mainly. She didn't dumb herself down for the American population.

[Ter]

Another person who put Trump in the White House was the third party candidate Jill Stein. I think I saw the figures somewhere that her votes clinched it.

[Sivad]

Another person who put Trump in the White House was the third party candidate Jill Stein. I think I saw the figures somewhere that her votes clinched it.

You gotta prop up assmunchers otherwise the shitheads win.

[skinster]

And I heard somewhere that twice the amount of those who voted for Stein, voted by spoiling their ballots.

The case that Comey swung the election outcome is pretty straightforward, and easier to disentangle from everything else than a lot of things. Clinton’s national lead was cut from about 6 percentage points to 3 points after the Comey letter. And while a 6-point lead is relatively safe, a 3-point lead just isn’t, especially given Clinton’s weakness in the Electoral College. Maybe not all of that was Comey, but the timing lines up pretty well and it was probably enough to make a difference given how close the election was. So could a lot of other things, of course.

[Sivad]

"Clinton’s national lead was cut from about 6 percentage points to 3 points after the Comey letter. "

Cooked polls from a cooked media inside a cooked system. Turducken.

[mikema63]

Lots of people spoiled their ballots by writing in whatever. 10,000 ish people write in harambe. My waitress election night wrote in her father.

Yes yes everyone is in on the conspiracy against you sivad.

[Igor Antunov]

[Buzz62]

Strawman. Being stupid doesn't make your arguments any better. Trump and Clinton didn't campaign in Thailand, to my knowledge. Isn't that the topic?

Incidentally, the US is a Plutocracy, so it's not a democracy, either.

Tell that to Bernie...

No one is apologizing for Clinton. Your statement is childish. They're merely pointing out that between Trump and Clinton, the intelligent, least destructive course of action, was to pick Clinton. That's simply fact that you can't accept, because it doesn't confirm your bias for racism and bigotry, that Trump represents.

Errr...

The initiatives she has put up since the election like onward together (which funds and helps groups like "run for something" which recruits and helps young people run for office, "swing left" which focuses on swing districts, "emerge america" which encourages and trains women to run for office, etc.) are rather worthwhile things I'd support.

If her influence within the party is leveraging her network to help energize the party and bring in new blood I'm all for it. Behind the scenes funding and organizing for other groups seems like the appropriate use of her time and influence.

Sounds like defending to me...

BTW...what racism might we be talkin' 'bout here Vern? I haven't seen anyone advocate for racism...have you? Perhaps you can PROVE this accusation?

Yes, and idiots are often very popular among Americans. People often dumb themselves down, because Americans are intimidated by intelligence. Clinton got beat by herself, mainly. She didn't dumb herself down for the American population.

More "defensive" excuses?

[Godstud]

it's an explanation, not a defense.

[Buzz62]

I see...
Too Funny...

[Godstud]

If you're not capable of understanding this, I can explain it to you really slowly.

[Buzz62]

Quite alright. I get it...

[Rich]

While everyone is arguing and bickering and pointing out very petty things, I want to just address the elephant in the room and point out that Assad has more morale scruples than most of the Democratic candidates for president, especially Hillary.

Bashar and his wife seem like a nice couple, the sort I could invite round to my mother's for afternoon tea. I have to say I do find Bashar's father a much more interesting character, I would suggest he was very much the Petyr Baelish of the Middle East.

[Patrickov]

(Troll mode)

Sincerely, Sanders would have won if he's younger than Hilary. Having such an elderly elected is itself a risk (of dying in office). Unless, maybe, that oldie is a useless piehole, a.k.a. someone like Trump.

Only one Sanders succeeded in his late years and that guy is called Harland Sanders.