[late]

Why don't you tell the whole ITT story?

Not relevant.

Try to focus..

[wat0n]

Not relevant.

Try to focus..

It is relevant.

The US didn't intervene in Chile because of ITT. As I said, ITT acted against US advice if anything.

[Tainari88]

@wat0n you really just automatically think the US government and US business interests have to be front and center in all decisions? That is for me who you are. A business minded immigrant Chilean who is very conservative with some liberal aspects and just wants to be part of the US scene forever and ever amen. The successful folk.

Go and do that. I come to this forum to discuss politics with people who actually see videos I post and read material and links and actually pose respectful and thoughtful questions about the issues at hand.

If you think human history can be dismissed because the cause in the past has no effects and the past has no effects on the present or the future and just want to distort whatever the historical discussion is to only focus on some bit that reinforces a US slanted shit perspective and expect me to buy that as a strong counterargument?

Te equivocastes conmigo.

Brutal dictatorship? No, Batista was a brutal dictatorship. He literally just would shoot students in the street like dogs. Allende tortured people in soccer stadiums. A lot of brutal dictatorships that the US government backed, supported, and funded. Why? Because again it does not matter if the guy is a bad guy...as long as he is OUR GUY.

That kind of bullshit is kind of common with powerful nations who are class-based systems.

Che had ties to African liberation anti colonial movements. So did many others. The US could have intervened in South Africa to end Apartheid regimes. They put Mandela on a terrorism watch list and Condi Rice the secretary of state had to take Mandela off of the terrorist list when he needed to visit the USA. Someone's terrorist is another government's freedom fighters. It is all about political perspective. And how you identify.

I never will be thinking like you do about world politics. Never.

I am who I am. You are who you are. If you want a productive debate work on being truthful, sincere and dealing with real evidence and interesting facts about history.

No one is asking you to agree with anyone else. But being sincere and considerate with information and your opponent's time is a very good practice.

That means reading their links and presented information. Listening to the videos. If you can not do that? Do like Fasces does and state 'I did not have the time to see that whole thing or read that whole thing but I read to page...such and such or minute such and such.'

But not doing jack shit to read or listen and ignoring valid points and then going on a writing thing that is obviously just not relevant is what Late says. It is a turn off Jovencito chileno.

I grew up completely different than you. I did not have some conservative anti Allende parents and wanting to be a rich success in the USA and so on and so forth.

No. My identity is different. The beauty of debate is being able to read and debate with people who are very different than you are.

But if you are lazy and disrespectful eventually everyone just gives up on you Jovencito.

Do not let that happen to you.

[wat0n]

@wat0n you really just automatically think the US government and US business interests have to be front and center in all decisions? That is for me who you are. A business minded immigrant Chilean who is very conservative with some liberal aspects and just wants to be part of the US scene forever and ever amen. The successful folk.

Aren't you saying that? That the US intervenes to protect American business interests first and foremost?

Go and do that. I come to this forum to discuss politics with people who actually see videos I post and read material and links and actually pose respectful and thoughtful questions about the issues at hand.

If you think human history can be dismissed because the cause in the past has no effects and the past has no effects on the present or the future and just want to distort whatever the historical discussion is to only focus on some bit that reinforces a US slanted shit perspective and expect me to buy that as a strong counterargument?

Te equivocastes conmigo.

So you would rather ignore the actual historical record on US policy here?

I mean, the registry of meetings between US foreign policy makers and similar documents puts these defense and diplomatic concerns at the top.

Brutal dictatorship? No, Batista was a brutal dictatorship. He literally just would shoot students in the street like dogs. Allende tortured people in soccer stadiums. A lot of brutal dictatorships that the US government backed, supported, and funded. Why? Because again it does not matter if the guy is a bad guy...as long as he is OUR GUY.

That kind of bullshit is kind of common with powerful nations who are class-based systems.

Sure, Batista was also a brutal dictator. So is the Cuban Communist Party.

Che had ties to African liberation anti colonial movements. So did many others. The US could have intervened in South Africa to end Apartheid regimes. They put Mandela on a terrorism watch list and Condi Rice the secretary of state had to take Mandela off of the terrorist list when he needed to visit the USA. Someone's terrorist is another government's freedom fighters. It is all about political perspective. And how you identify.

Many of those anti-colonialists also imposed brutal dictatorships of their own.

It seems you have no problem with human rights violators when they're socialists.

I never will be thinking like you do about world politics. Never.

I am who I am. You are who you are. If you want a productive debate work on being truthful, sincere and dealing with real evidence and interesting facts about history.

No one is asking you to agree with anyone else. But being sincere and considerate with information and your opponent's time is a very good practice.

That means reading their links and presented information. Listening to the videos. If you can not do that? Do like Fasces does and state 'I did not have the time to see that whole thing or read that whole thing but I read to page...such and such or minute such and such.'

But not doing jack shit to read or listen and ignoring valid points and then going on a writing thing that is obviously just not relevant is what Late says. It is a turn off Jovencito chileno.

I grew up completely different than you. I did not have some conservative anti Allende parents and wanting to be a rich success in the USA and so on and so forth.

No. My identity is different. The beauty of debate is being able to read and debate with people who are very different than you are.

But if you are lazy and disrespectful eventually everyone just gives up on you Jovencito.

Do not let that happen to you.

Actually my dad was a maoist (about Fidel, he said "he's an improvement but unfortunately he's also from the elites and not of the people") and my mom is an anti-pinochet progressive.

[Tainari88]

Aren't you saying that? That the US intervenes to protect American business interests first and foremost?



So you would rather ignore the actual historical record on US policy here?

I mean, the registry of meetings between US foreign policy makers and similar documents puts these defense and diplomatic concerns at the top.



Sure, Batista was also a brutal dictator. So is the Cuban Communist Party.



Many of those anti-colonialists also imposed brutal dictatorships of their own.

It seems you have no problem with human rights violators when they're socialists.



Actually my dad was a maoist (about Fidel, he said "he's an improvement but unfortunately he's also from the elites and not of the people") and my mom is an anti-pinochet progressive.

Wat0n, you either put business interests before democracy, before self-determination of nations, before what the US Constitution has stated as the core of what the US society via government is about.
Let me be brief with you about this point eh? The issue is if you are consistent with the US Constitution or you are consistent with Business interests in capitalism only or primordially or mainly.

You can't have two MASTERS. It is like that biblical phrase of being true to God or being true to some Mundane power that is not God. You have to choose between them in terms of government goals.

If you have a US Constitution that is about a Lefty point of view like a government for the people and by the people yet you then do not accept other nations' popular elected leaders via their own democracy or constitutions (that have been historically based on your own US system via republican based representative government), you have an anomaly or an inconsistency or contradiction that is pretty difficult to overcome.

You can't serve two value systems that contradict each other. You either serve business interests more than you do the common good and a radical constitution based on the destruction of Monarchy and nobility and class-based government and inherited blood rights to rule....or you serve the interests of profit motivations and owners of said companies. This video is very enlightening on where that contradiction can destroy easily the USA forever. Here:

Now in terms of brutal dictatorships? You ignored conveniently like you always do consistently the quote of the video I put in about John F. Kennedy saying that the Cuban revolution was mostly due to US policy for the island.

I see things in historical context. If Fidel would have caved to the CIA and the US government. Got a payoff deal for him to get rich and be in power being a puppet like Batista? Things materially and economically would have improved a lot for Cuba on all fronts. That is what most likely would have happened because the US would have been a bit fearful of losing control of Cuba due to all that tumultuous history and put a bit of money behind trying to mend the fences. My point about bringing Puerto Rico to bear as an example of complete submission to US rule is that they would choose policies for Cuba that only favored the US economy and so on just as they did in Puerto Rico and the problems that Puerto Rico presently has now? Would be the same or worse in Cuba.

They had an opportunity to not be hypocrites in the Caribbean islands of Puerto Rico, Cuba and the Dominican Republic among others. But they chose hypocrisy in all things there. Why? Because the US government chose their own powerful business and financial and military class above the interests of any other nation's need for independence, democratic rights and free elections without undue interferences.

They broke their own code and their own Constitutional rules. For GREED. For Control. For imperialism and for gain on the political and geographical and economic level.

I do not cry for that kind of abuse Wat0n. I am not blinded by my US passport and am grateful for that passport because it is not free. It had to be imposed on us without our real consent. The men and women in Puerto Rico who had to go to war via the draft or by high unemployment and coercion too...hundreds of thousands injured and killed in US wars. Without being able to stay home and vote actively the government sends them to die for them. It is not some free passport. Nothing is in life.

Since you are talking about being different than your Maoist father and progressive mother....let me tell you about my family. They were dirt poor people. Displaced rural Puerto Rican peasants. Like many were following the Great Depression. If it is was bad in the USA at the time, it was even worse in Puerto Rico by far. The poverty, low wages of the man who scratched out a living in the heat working land that belonged to Sugar Barons and US banks and corporations. Many had to leave. To survive.

No one handed them freebies either Wat0n. You went and you worked for six days a week long hours for years without any vacations or anything really. You lived in cramped apartment tenements in NYC. Faced racism from teachers, administrators factory bosses restaurant owners, etc, and did super blue-collar jobs. You sweated it out.

Everything gained that is about a formal education obtained by my parents was done with a lot of OBSTACLES and discrimination violence, threats, and a total lack of respect for their humanity. On every level. An obstacle course of SHIT. A river of shit. Racist shit, language barriers, humiliations, and the stories I had to hear from that era of my parents growing up was incredibly eye-opening about how bad the system was back then.

It did not get better without struggle and working very very hard to improve it.

Human governments and struggles with human governments happen all the time with struggle and work that is deep and dedicated. It will not matter if it is against the Cuban government, the US government, the Mexican government, French government and name a government and you will find something you need to fix there.

For nothing in struggle is easy.

I do not live with the myth that the US is special. It is fair. It is just. It is best. No, I see them for what they are. Flawed. They want power and money and authority but to also just win that power by BREAKING every rule they say they are for in their own foundational document.

Is that problematic? It sure is Wat0n. Because every civilization that has a mythology (all human societies have mythologies at their core), is found out to be false due to the contradictions between what they state is their guiding principle, but their ACTIONS are different from that? Wind up collapsing. Not working and becoming dysfunctional over time.

That is the truth.

you either fix the contradiction and reconcile the paradox or you let it go down in flames.

Usually, it does go down in flames. Why? I have stated the reasons.

You love to blame Cuba or any other nation for their own problems---and all human societies have to take responsibility for that if they are independent nations. But the truth is the way the world system is set up economically, very few smaller nations are truly allowed self-agency and self-choice. Too much pressure from the international investment class from Capital. Too powerful they are.

My remedy is resisting that. So they have to start becoming more aware of the needs of the many instead of the wants of a very small few.

That is the sane way of coping with problems.

What is your solution for that? Just never tell them what is going on that they do wrong with their constant contradictions. Observe ACTIONS taken, not rhetoric talked about. Talk is cheap.

Action is where you see where the values are.

[late]

You either fix the contradiction and reconcile the paradox or you let it go down in flames.

This..

[Tainari88]

This..

I am not voting for Trump. Lol. That goes without saying. Everyone needs to vote in this election. It is important for local and national policies and the future.

I will not be responsible for people who never made the effort to vote for their politics and still think they have a right to issue opinions on politics if they live in even little 'd' democracies. If enough people get active and get involved and enough people find out what they care about and would like to get fixed in their own societies everything has a solution.

But, if you remain in the margins. Never vote. Never read. Never figure out anything and wait for the world to bail your ass out of a political problem? You will be waiting for change forever.

Activism is the key to change. Always.

[wat0n]

Wat0n, you either put business interests before democracy, before self-determination of nations, before what the US Constitution has stated as the core of what the US society via government is about.
Let me be brief with you about this point eh? The issue is if you are consistent with the US Constitution or you are consistent with Business interests in capitalism only or primordially or mainly.

You can't have two MASTERS. It is like that biblical phrase of being true to God or being true to some Mundane power that is not God. You have to choose between them in terms of government goals.

If you have a US Constitution that is about a Lefty point of view like a government for the people and by the people yet you then do not accept other nations' popular elected leaders via their own democracy or constitutions (that have been historically based on your own US system via republican based representative government), you have an anomaly or an inconsistency or contradiction that is pretty difficult to overcome.

I wouldn't say so, at all. What happens if a neighbor democratically chooses to declare war on the US or to aid a third party who's doing that? Why would it be inconsistent under the US Constitution for the US to attack and even overthrow the democratic government of this neighbor?

You can't serve two value systems that contradict each other. You either serve business interests more than you do the common good and a radical constitution based on the destruction of Monarchy and nobility and class-based government and inherited blood rights to rule....or you serve the interests of profit motivations and owners of said companies. This video is very enlightening on where that contradiction can destroy easily the USA forever. Here:

Indeed, you can't, but what you don't seem to understand is that American foreign policy is not subservient to simple business interests.

If you want an example? Why didn't the US do anything to Venezuela - an American ally - when it nationalized PDVSA in 1976?

Now in terms of brutal dictatorships? You ignored conveniently like you always do consistently the quote of the video I put in about John F. Kennedy saying that the Cuban revolution was mostly due to US policy for the island.

That doesn't make the Castro dictatorship any less brutal.

And, more importantly, this does not make the current Cuban dictatorship any less brutal.

I see things in historical context. If Fidel would have caved to the CIA and the US government. Got a payoff deal for him to get rich and be in power being a puppet like Batista? Things materially and economically would have improved a lot for Cuba on all fronts. That is what most likely would have happened because the US would have been a bit fearful of losing control of Cuba due to all that tumultuous history and put a bit of money behind trying to mend the fences. My point about bringing Puerto Rico to bear as an example of complete submission to US rule is that they would choose policies for Cuba that only favored the US economy and so on just as they did in Puerto Rico and the problems that Puerto Rico presently has now? Would be the same or worse in Cuba.

Castro was able to get the Soviet subsidy. The issue though is that it simply replaced one power for the other, and one dictatorial elite for another (at least partially, since some wealthy Cubans got to terms with the communists).

But, almost none of this applies to Cuba today. Castro is dead, the US is far less interested in Cuba and Latin America in general than in the Cold War, there's no Soviet subsidy anymore and Cuba has clearly impoverished. The only thing remaining is the dictatorship.

They had an opportunity to not be hypocrites in the Caribbean islands of Puerto Rico, Cuba and the Dominican Republic among others. But they chose hypocrisy in all things there. Why? Because the US government chose their own powerful business and financial and military class above the interests of any other nation's need for independence, democratic rights and free elections without undue interferences.

They broke their own code and their own Constitutional rules. For GREED. For Control. For imperialism and for gain on the political and geographical and economic level.

I do not cry for that kind of abuse Wat0n. I am not blinded by my US passport and am grateful for that passport because it is not free. It had to be imposed on us without our real consent. The men and women in Puerto Rico who had to go to war via the draft or by high unemployment and coercion too...hundreds of thousands injured and killed in US wars. Without being able to stay home and vote actively the government sends them to die for them. It is not some free passport. Nothing is in life.

Win an independence referendum in Puerto Rico before you complain about its political status.

If anything, everything suggests more Puerto Ricans would rather be a state than become independent.

Since you are talking about being different than your Maoist father and progressive mother....let me tell you about my family. They were dirt poor people. Displaced rural Puerto Rican peasants. Like many were following the Great Depression. If it is was bad in the USA at the time, it was even worse in Puerto Rico by far. The poverty, low wages of the man who scratched out a living in the heat working land that belonged to Sugar Barons and US banks and corporations. Many had to leave. To survive.

No one handed them freebies either Wat0n. You went and you worked for six days a week long hours for years without any vacations or anything really. You lived in cramped apartment tenements in NYC. Faced racism from teachers, administrators factory bosses restaurant owners, etc, and did super blue-collar jobs. You sweated it out.

Everything gained that is about a formal education obtained by my parents was done with a lot of OBSTACLES and discrimination violence, threats, and a total lack of respect for their humanity. On every level. An obstacle course of SHIT. A river of shit. Racist shit, language barriers, humiliations, and the stories I had to hear from that era of my parents growing up was incredibly eye-opening about how bad the system was back then.

It did not get better without struggle and working very very hard to improve it.

I don't doubt your parents had it harder than you or I. Even worse those who lived through the Depression.

But tell me, did they have access to basic water sanitation? How about running water? Electricity?

I'm asking because most people in Latin America did not have access to any of these when your parents were in NYC. And of course there was discrimination there, be it by race or (more likely) class.

Human governments and struggles with human governments happen all the time with struggle and work that is deep and dedicated. It will not matter if it is against the Cuban government, the US government, the Mexican government, French government and name a government and you will find something you need to fix there.

For nothing in struggle is easy.

I do not live with the myth that the US is special. It is fair. It is just. It is best. No, I see them for what they are. Flawed. They want power and money and authority but to also just win that power by BREAKING every rule they say they are for in their own foundational document.

Is that problematic? It sure is Wat0n. Because every civilization that has a mythology (all human societies have mythologies at their core), is found out to be false due to the contradictions between what they state is their guiding principle, but their ACTIONS are different from that? Wind up collapsing. Not working and becoming dysfunctional over time.

That is the truth.

you either fix the contradiction and reconcile the paradox or you let it go down in flames.

Usually, it does go down in flames. Why? I have stated the reasons.

You love to blame Cuba or any other nation for their own problems---and all human societies have to take responsibility for that if they are independent nations. But the truth is the way the world system is set up economically, very few smaller nations are truly allowed self-agency and self-choice. Too much pressure from the international investment class from Capital. Too powerful they are.

My remedy is resisting that. So they have to start becoming more aware of the needs of the many instead of the wants of a very small few.

That is the sane way of coping with problems.

What is your solution for that? Just never tell them what is going on that they do wrong with their constant contradictions. Observe ACTIONS taken, not rhetoric talked about. Talk is cheap.

Action is where you see where the values are.

You are way overestimating a couple of things:

1) My opinion of the US: America is not perfect, at all. But I will say there's a lot of shitty attitudes that are less common here than in Latin America, yet they still exist. And the obsession with race here is worse than in Latin America.

2) The importance of capitalists: Most countries are not as open to foreign capital as you think they are, and capitalists often don't get away with what they want. Particularly not when it comes to national security.

[QatzelOk]

...the US and the UK only send troops to Africa to manipulate, extract and control resources and governments that favor them...

I think this is why wat0n finds it difficult to imagine any kind of motivation for political action other than cash-in-your-hand. Quid Pro Quo is the flavor-of-the-century in the rich Western capitalist countries in decline. We walk over homeless people all day telling ourselves that this is as good as it gets.

... if you remain in the margins. Never vote. Never read. Never figure out anything and wait for the world to bail your ass out of a political problem? You will be waiting for change forever...

What if you just ask your boss who to vote for? Let him know that you're on his side? Publically let everyone know that you are always there to support people with lots of money in whatever projects they dream up?

What do you think of wat0n's approach to "voting" by kissing rich ass all your life?

[Tainari88]

I think this is why wat0n finds it difficult to imagine any kind of motivation for political action other than cash-in-your-hand. Quid Pro Quo is the flavor-of-the-century in the rich Western capitalist countries in decline. We walk over homeless people all day telling ourselves that this is as good as it gets.



What if you just ask your boss who to vote for? Let him know that you're on his side? Publically let everyone know that you are always there to support people with lots of money in whatever projects they dream up?

What do you think of wat0n's approach to "voting" by kissing rich ass all your life?

Everyone lives within a certain context Q. I do not know Wat0n personally but I have read enough about his thoughts and so on to draw basic conclusions. He went to Chicago, Illinois to be successful and did not remain in Chile because he wants what? To be successful. Live the fucked up American dream in his head. And it is about his value system which is a conventional and capitalist success. He got an education in Chile. He went to the States to become successful. Many Latin Americans are only exposed to a lot of imagery, articles, and propaganda about the USA that is about it being a free society. Free this and free that. And with hard work and focus you too can be a very well-off middle-class person. They are frustrated with the lack of opportunities in their home nations. Citizenship is not the problem. Because Puerto Ricans are US citizens. The vast majority of islander Puerto Ricans have economic struggles. All the time. What is key to middle-class status is being middle-class in your own nation of origin. We call that in cultural anthropology cultural capital. You know the rules and connections of the socioeconomic class you are from and you have the right mindset to make it happen again in another capitalist nation with a similar economic rule system.
If you are in your own nation? Rarely do the middle class in Chile or any other nation in Latin America immigrate to the USA. The ones interested in US opportunities who fit the profile like Wat0n happens to be are younger Chileans with decent educations who are climbers. They want to be in a position to live an upper middle-class life. He can spend the next thirty years of his life doing what he does and spouting what he spouts. It will not change what has gone wrong with US government policy that creates stagnation poverty and problems in the rest of the world. It is about a lack of respect for power differences. It is about abuse of power. As a socialist? That is what for me has to be dealt with in order for change to happen.

The key to that they think (erroneously) is kissing ass all day to their bosses, the American assimilationist model and they love the Republican party and or conservative points of view. They are not in the US to shake things up and change the world or society. That is not really rewarding and it distracts you from your main goal in life. Success and wealth. And status.

So, your job is to find the Lefties annoying. They refuse to appreciate how valuable having a US passport is. It is worth selling out your culture. Your language. And your entire being for. You need to give respect to the powerful in life. That means never contradicting them and agreeing that being part of the USA is the pinnacle of human achievement in life!

Even though, there are homeless in the street. The poor never go out of style and who gives a damn about the poor. Cuba is a failure because they do not have the level of consumption, lifestyle wealth, and elite that exists in the US.

They are a failed society that should be severely criticized because lack of freedom.

We make valid points against his view. His tactic is to ignore those and keep spouting what the Miami foaming-at-the-mouth Cuban exiles spout. Who shoot at and use violence against Socialists in Puerto Rico. Who also tried to kill some church groups donating medical supplies to Cuban hospitals due to a shortage. Alpha 66 are fanatics. I knew some of those violent exiles in San Juan. They were paid to be that way by the CIA and the FBI too. They bombed socialist newspapers in Puerto Rico. They are still angry that the USA did not use military invasions and take back Cuba from the Communist governments they feel are the enemy. The enemy is their lack of understanding that they had a lot of opportunities to create good conditions for Cubans, Guamanians, Puerto Ricans, American Samoans, Marshall Island folks, Palauans, Filipinos, US Virgin Islanders, etc. They REFUSED to do so. They want control, dominance, and fucking us over for higher profit margins. Maintaining our school systems without properly funding them, funding fake political parties that favor them only, and intervening in our internal politics until kingdom come.

They can FUCK THEMSELVES. They can go to fucking HELL and stay there! They have the embargo in place against Cuba for what? 1962--2024 and the Cuban government is not overthrown either by Miami exile Far Right violent freak organizations like Alpha 66 and others or by every type of Yankee administration from liberal like Jimmy Carter and so on, to the highly conservative like Bush Sr Bush Jr, Reagan and so on. All of them continue with the same bullshit. Obama opened up Cuba for a bit. It was all reversed by Trump man. Who needed the Cuban exile vote in Miami to win Florida well? So? It is an ineffective counterproductive thing. Puerto Rico is voting more and more pro-independence now than ever before. If you check out Palau? They requested independence and got it in 1993. None of the unincorporated territories of the USA ever become states. They either become independent nations like the Philippines or Palau and or remain with control of their land like American Samoa does. No one becomes a state because the US government does not want to share political power with these tiny nations with a bunch of poor people, indigenous people, and Latin American Spanish-speaking people that they want to USE to control whole regions of both the Pacific and the Atlantic.


Fanatical people who want a violent overthrow of Cuba's government with a return to capitalism and a US domination of that 11 million-person marketplace.

They need to stop all this mess and bad policy. Do something just for a change. Build rapport with everyone and start creating policies that are decent and respect human rights of everyone. The colonized and the imperially minded. Just realize that if you ignore human rights for these nations trapped in SHIT policy for generations either violent revolt is going to happen or you will have massive migration to the mainland.

Once the American Samoans get there. The Puerto Ricans get there. The Cubans get there. The Palauans get there. The Guam people get there. The US Virgin Islanders get there and etc....many of the total racist fucks from the MAGA crowd are going to think them vermin and so on. The illusion of American bullshit will not last another one hundred years with us. With all of us. People get tired of STAGNATION.

It is dysfunctional. And it is entirely the US government that created the stagnation with a bad controlling imperially minded policy that only respects Giant Corporations who ignore the needs of their voters.

I am uninterested in bullshit excuses about US policies being benign. None of them are. They are detrimental and cause disruption. To democracy and to economic improvements. They need to GO!!

[wat0n]

@Tainari88 actually I came to the US to study. My initial plan was to go back to Chile, however, I have thus far decided to stay because:

1) I like the US. It's not perfect, but it's hardly a bad place to live in, and it is indeed full of opportunities for people in my field. Americans are also fairly friendly, although more distant and less social than Chileans are. I didn't come with a bad opinion of the US, at all, but was pretty agnostic when it came to actually living here. When I got my student visa, I recall the official asked me if I saw myself staying in the US and I told him "I don't know, I have never been to the US so how could I want to stay there? I am going to study"

2) I can make more here at a comparable level of responsibility (I currently make as much as I would if I was managing people, but don't have to manage anyone), and since I took a big loan (for Chilean standards, not American ones) to study it makes sense for me to live here and make more to have an easier time paying it.

3) I don't like the political developments in Chile since 2019, even if there were some moments of sanity (like when we rejected the leftist Constitutional aberration in 2022). Political developments in the US have not been great, either, but the US political system seems to be holding better than the Chilean one all things considered. In fact, if I was testing the waters before, this was the last straw and pushed me to request a work visa (I was doing OPT before). I am currently up for the Green Card.

[Tainari88]

@Tainari88 actually I came to the US to study. My initial plan was to go back to Chile, however, I have thus far decided to stay because:

1) I like the US. It's not perfect, but it's hardly a bad place to live in, and it is indeed full of opportunities for people in my field. Americans are also fairly friendly, although more distant and less social than Chileans are. I didn't come with a bad opinion of the US, at all, but was pretty agnostic when it came to actually living here. When I got my student visa, I recall the official asked me if I saw myself staying in the US and I told him "I don't know, I have never been to the US so how could I want to stay there? I am going to study"

2) I can make more here at a comparable level of responsibility (I currently make as much as I would if I was managing people, but have to don't manage anyone), and since I took a big loan (for Chilean standards, not American ones) to study it makes sense for me to live here and make more to have an easier time paying it.

3) I don't like the political developments in Chile since 2019, even if there were some moments of sanity (like when we rejected the leftist Constitutional aberration in 2022). Political developments in the US have not been great, either, but the US political system seems to be holding better than the Chilean one all things considered. In fact, if I was testing the waters before, this was the last straw and pushed me to request a work visa (I was doing OPT before). I am currently up for the Green Card.

Wat0n, I knew you were here either to study or to eventually make more money in your field of work. That is not surprising to me.

You should get rid of those student loans as soon as possible. Those are fairly burdensome. If it is more than $30,000 US dollars it is going to take a lot to pay that shit off. My only student loan was when I went to an archaeology class that was not covered in the summer in New Mexico and I had to take a small loan to pay it off. I think I wound up paying 1000 dollars off since the loan was for the same amount way back in the 1980s. Then you had the option of paying a bit every month. I went for that. I paid it off fast. The rest I worked and studied at the same time. Through school. And grad school. Pay it off and do not take out loans. Best thing I ever did.

If all you want to do is make money in your field? Then that is what you will focus on. I am not interested in that only. Never have been. If it was about making money only could have done that long ago.

In fact, I am way better off now in Mexico than I ever was financially in the USA. Just for the simple reason that I no longer have to support two kids and pay a mortgage and a car loan and this or that shit and I never spent money on consumer products. Just did not care about any of that crap. Never had a credit card until about eight years ago. At age 49. Why the hell do I want debt of any sort?

I am amazed how many people love debt in the USA. It is horrible.

It is strange. I am self employed. I am doing well and am happy in Mexico. No need to be wealthy and so on in the USA. That is not my dream. It never will be.

I got invited by an ex truck driver Mexican man who had his parents killed in a car accident when he was a child. Some Cubans in Miami raised him and he speaks like a Cuban, he met a Puerto Rican islander woman in Denver, they got married and now he and his daughter by his first wife a Ute Indian from Colorado, live in a town called Conkal near here. They invited me over for lunch the other day. They thought the American dream was for them. It turned out to be a crime nightmare, and problems. They sold everything and moved to Merida. Even the daughter is happier here. Less crime and she does not even speak Spanish at all. Her dream is to be working as a Flight Attendant and travel for years. They invited me to go to Palenque.

I noticed the Cuban decor everywhere....I asked her why her beautiful house had Cuban themes everywhere? Her husband who is called Angel....told her that his parents who raised him are Cubans. He has Mexican citizenship and US citizenship. The Cubans were immigrants to the USA and raised him in Miami. For him? He does not like Communism because his parents were anti-Communists. But he visits Cuba all the time. They have family in Santiago. They love him very much. That is all that counts for him. He loves Cuban culture.

Lol. He speaks like a Cuban. But he is of Mexican nationality. In Banco Azteca the teller heard him trying to transfer money there and told him rudely, --no aceptamos pasaportes cubanos como identificación válida.' He kept getting his money ready to transfer and she repeated herself but more rudely. He then said, 'soy mexicano. No soy cubano. Pero mis padres que me criaron si lo son. Deja de ser una racista y una discriminadora contra los cubanos....voy a cerrar mi cuenta con ustedes. Me voy a quejar.' He threw the Mexican passport at her and then took out his US passport and said to her...'como la gente habla no significa que son esto o no. No es culpa de la gente a que nacionalidad ellos nacieron. Sea cortés. Das vergüenza lo que haces.'

Nationalities are about rules that are mostly about territorial control. If you start assigning rich people Yankees are rich, and Cubans are poor. Chileans are this or Colombians are that? You wind up making mistakes.

Respect everyone and treat everyone with respect. That is how good diplomatic relationships between nations should be done.

Not the crap about you have less money in the bank...inferior. You got more money....superior. For me that is all just asking for problems.

[wat0n]

Wat0n, I knew you were here either to study or to eventually make more money in your field of work. That is not surprising to me.

You know what's the irony? I used to work for government in Chile, and wanted to move to a different line of work in the public sector. Yes, I would have earned more, but I also wanted to contribute to the public while doing so.

Nowadays I work for a nonprofit research organization, as a federal contractor (among some of my duties at least). Guess that's close enough.

You should get rid of those student loans as soon as possible. Those are fairly burdensome. If it is more than $30,000 US dollars it is going to take a lot to pay that shit off. My only student loan was when I went to an archaeology class that was not covered in the summer in New Mexico and I had to take a small loan to pay it off. I think I wound up paying 1000 dollars off since the loan was for the same amount way back in the 1980s. Then you had the option of paying a bit every month. I went for that. I paid it off fast. The rest I worked and studied at the same time. Through school. And grad school. Pay it off and do not take out loans. Best thing I ever did.

That's what I'm working on. I have 3 years to go and I'm done

If all you want to do is make money in your field? Then that is what you will focus on. I am not interested in that only. Never have been. If it was about making money only could have done that long ago.

I am not interested just in making more. It is a good deal, but I don't want to live just for making more money.

In fact, I am way better off now in Mexico than I ever was financially in the USA. Just for the simple reason that I no longer have to support two kids and pay a mortgage and a car loan and this or that shit and I never spent money on consumer products. Just did not care about any of that crap. Never had a credit card until about eight years ago. At age 49. Why the hell do I want debt of any sort?

I am amazed how many people love debt in the USA. It is horrible.

I am not, to be honest. Debt here is relatively cheap and it's easy to fall into it.

Now, getting into debt is not bad per se. It depends on what are you taking the loan for.

The key, most basic question to ask yourself is "am I going to be able to pay the debt after?" When you ask yourself that, you will tend to take loans for things like going to school, starting a business or buying real estate - all of which are forms of investment, which you can assess like any other. I did that before coming here.

It is strange. I am self employed. I am doing well and am happy in Mexico. No need to be wealthy and so on in the USA. That is not my dream. It never will be.

Well, it's not a fair comparison. If you are as wealthy as any middle class or even lower-middle class American, you can sell everything, move to Mexico and live comfortably.

Even in the US itself, the living standard of a middle class American is higher than that of a middle class Latin American. The former lives like an upper or upple-middle class Latin American.

As such, I can see where you're coming from - Americans have normalized their living standards, but they are certainly not the rule globally. One can perfectly lead a completely functional, fulfilling life with an American middle class income, one doesn't need to be a millionaire to do so.

I got invited by an ex truck driver Mexican man who had his parents killed in a car accident when he was a child. Some Cubans in Miami raised him and he speaks like a Cuban, he met a Puerto Rican islander woman in Denver, they got married and now he and his daughter by his first wife a Ute Indian from Colorado, live in a town called Conkal near here. They invited me over for lunch the other day. They thought the American dream was for them. It turned out to be a crime nightmare, and problems. They sold everything and moved to Merida. Even the daughter is happier here. Less crime and she does not even speak Spanish at all. Her dream is to be working as a Flight Attendant and travel for years. They invited me to go to Palenque.

I noticed the Cuban decor everywhere....I asked her why her beautiful house had Cuban themes everywhere? Her husband who is called Angel....told her that his parents who raised him are Cubans. He has Mexican citizenship and US citizenship. The Cubans were immigrants to the USA and raised him in Miami. For him? He does not like Communism because his parents were anti-Communists. But he visits Cuba all the time. They have family in Santiago. They love him very much. That is all that counts for him. He loves Cuban culture.

Lol. He speaks like a Cuban. But he is of Mexican nationality. In Banco Azteca the teller heard him trying to transfer money there and told him rudely, --no aceptamos pasaportes cubanos como identificación válida.' He kept getting his money ready to transfer and she repeated herself but more rudely. He then said, 'soy mexicano. No soy cubano. Pero mis padres que me criaron si lo son. Deja de ser una racista y una discriminadora contra los cubanos....voy a cerrar mi cuenta con ustedes. Me voy a quejar.' He threw the Mexican passport at her and then took out his US passport and said to her...'como la gente habla no significa que son esto o no. No es culpa de la gente a que nacionalidad ellos nacieron. Sea cortés. Das vergüenza lo que haces.'

Unfortunately, these shitty attitudes are common everywhere. Both here in the US and also back home, and even worse in recent years with the Venezuelan migration, which has strained the social safety net across the board in Chile and much of South America (and crime has increased too, since some Venezuelan migrants have criminal histories back home).

Nationalities are about rules that are mostly about territorial control. If you start assigning rich people Yankees are rich, and Cubans are poor. Chileans are this or Colombians are that? You wind up making mistakes.

Respect everyone and treat everyone with respect. That is how good diplomatic relationships between nations should be done.

Not the crap about you have less money in the bank...inferior. You got more money....superior. For me that is all just asking for problems.

No disagreement here. However, I will also say that one can just say that on average Chileans earn more than Bolivians or that Americans earn more than Chileans. This is just descriptive, not a measure of worth.

Besides, shouldn't we all just treat people with respect? Specially strangers, who can have personal histories you have no idea of...

[QatzelOk]

...Rarely do the middle class in Chile or any other nation in Latin America immigrate to the USA.

...The ones interested in US opportunities who fit the profile like Wat0n happens to be are younger Chileans with decent educations who are climbers.

Educated climbers who are young. By "educated" I assume you mean "with a high-paying skill to sell" and not "with a well-rounded education in many fields."

I am one generation removed from this mentality which my parents had in spades. I saw how they both gave up their traditions and cultures and languages... in order to become the television characters they watched every evening in their youth.

And becoming the television characters on the screen can only be accomplished by owning all the gadgets that they use on the sponsored-by-same dramas they act in. So if you want to be like Spiderman, you need to own a lot of Spiderman items your parents can buy for you if you pester them. And if you want to be like the cast of "Friends" you need a nice inner-city apartment, enough money to hang out in cafes a lot of the time, and perhaps a trust fund to make the sitcom attitude possible.

...They want to be in a position to live an upper middle-class life.

...The key to that they think (erroneously) is kissing ass all day to their bosses...

Kissing ass all day and giving off fake charms to people you want to be a fattened slave to... is guaranteed to make you bitter, cynical, and unable to educate your own children into anything but prostitution.

You may think "I've got everyone fooled with my double-faced game," but your children will just see "Daddy the prostitute who neglects us and-or is mean to us... so that he can bring in more cash."

[wat0n]

Some people are willing to get an education abroad to improve their lives?

The horror!!

[Tainari88]

Educated climbers who are young. By "educated" I assume you mean "with a high-paying skill to sell" and not "with a well-rounded education in many fields."

I am one generation removed from this mentality which my parents had in spades. I saw how they both gave up their traditions and cultures and languages... in order to become the television characters they watched every evening in their youth.

And becoming the television characters on the screen can only be accomplished by owning all the gadgets that they use on the sponsored-by-same dramas they act in. So if you want to be like Spiderman, you need to own a lot of Spiderman items your parents can buy for you if you pester them. And if you want to be like the case of "Friends" you need a nice inner-city apartment, enough money to hang out in cafes a lot of the time, and perhaps a trust fund to make the sitcom attitude possible.



Kissing ass all day and giving off fake charms to people you want to be a fattened slave to... is guaranteed to make you bitter, cynical, and unable to educate your own children into anything but prostitution.

You may think "I've got everyone fooled with my double-faced game," but your children will just see "Daddy the prostitute who neglects us and-or is mean to us... so that he can bring in more cash."

Well I am off to my 85 year old dentist Conchita's office.

Lol.

@wat0n is in debt with student loans. If you are in debt with student loans, buying a house or an apartment in Chicago in a safe neighborhood with maintenance costs with those tough Chicago winters is going to be a challenge for him. That is guaranteed. It is very hard to get mortgages or almost impossible with student loans. He needs to square those away as soon as possible.

AI and chatbots are threatening a lot of financial market jobs in the future. So his best bet for getting rich is going to be specializing and connections with people who have an 'in' in those industries.

If he gets married to someone who is a US citizen? That is not enough for immigration status to happen quickly. He will have to be solvent on his own mostly. Then both of them have to agree to get rid of student loans fast, do not do credit card debt and save for a hefty down payment on that home of their own. It is going to be a lot of factors for Wat0n to make a go of it in the USA.

Once he pays off the student loans he might consider remote work? I do not know if he will or will not do so. Then save and pay off in one shot a nice place in Santiago. It is a lot more affordable. But it is up to him.

He can do what many people like him do. They rent for the rest of their lives furnished apartments that have amenities in safe neighborhoods and never own a home. They pay off their student loan debt and live a lifestyle and avoid having kids. Kids are expensive and a huge responsibility.

If he has kids he will have to think about mortgages. US property is harder than in Latin America. The property taxes in places like Chicago, NYC, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Denver, Houston, Miami, etc are KILLER. They go up every year. Mérida I am going to pay the yearly property taxes in Mérida and one house is about $10 US dollars a year. The other one is about $75 US dollars a year. Therefore? It is doable. I pay the bank trust to Monex in Mexico from my tax return every year. When I become a Mexican citizen I am changing the title on my houses. That way I cut out the damn banks altogether. You got to have a long term strategy to survive in this capitalist jungle.

It is really not easy. But he thinks assimilation is the formula for doing well in life. He will find out it is killing everything of meaning in terms of real culture. But that is HIS CHOICE. Not my choice or your choice @QatzelOk but his choice. My mother and father had to face that pressure long ago. Kill your ethnic identity in order to become a 'real' American. Once they do that it is almost impossible to get it back. Their kids lose all connections to their roots and they are very easily told that being an American is about some blasé crap that is worthless. But let him make his choices.

I had intelligent parents who were never snowed by assimilationist crap thoughts. Everyone has to pay for the consequences of their choices. That is life.

It is a lot of work for people not born inherited wealth multi-millionaires Q.

If that is what he loves? That is what he loves.

The freedom to choose is something important for all individuals.

You are a rare one Q. I always loved that about you!

[QatzelOk]

...he thinks assimilation is the formula for doing well in life. He will find out it is killing everything of meaning in terms of real culture. But that is HIS CHOICE. Not my choice or your choice @QatzelOk but his choice.

...Kill your ethnic identity in order to become a 'real' American. Once they do that it is almost impossible to get it back. Their kids lose all connections to their roots and they are very easily told that being an American is about some blasé crap that is worthless. But let him make his choices.

I had intelligent parents who were never snowed by assimilationist crap thoughts. Everyone has to pay for the consequences of their choices. ...

My wartime-born parents were gifted with "television" in their TV years, which they both watched enthralled by the luxury and non-stop sitcom jokes.

They watched "Suburban Heaven" sitcoms for a few years, and then got married and moved to "a sitcom suburb of lawns and station wagons." Unfortunately, once we moved to suburbia, the only jokes we enjoyed were the jokes on the hours and hours of TV we watched bored out of our suburban minds.

Cubans are also exposed to the commercial lies of commercial media, and like everyone else, they often believe that "there is a heaven out there called Sitcom America.

Of course, there were not school shootings on Welcome Back Kotter, and no one gained weight and lost their personality watching television on the Brady Bunch.

So we continued watching TV in the hopes that we would eventually experience non-stop laugh tracks.

In the meantime, we blamed ourselves for failing to become the Brady Bunch in our lawn-enclosed isolation.

[wat0n]

@wat0n is in debt with student loans. If you are in debt with student loans, buying a house or an apartment in Chicago in a safe neighborhood with maintenance costs with those tough Chicago winters is going to be a challenge for him. That is guaranteed. It is very hard to get mortgages or almost impossible with student loans. He needs to square those away as soon as possible.

Indeed, and there's also another reason why I can't buy a property: I'm on a H1B, as long as I don't have a Green Card there's always the chance that my immigration status can run out, and if it does I'd have a much harder time keeping up with the mortgage.

Thankfully, I should have the Green Card 1-2 years before I'm finished with the loan.

AI and chatbots are threatening a lot of financial market jobs in the future. So his best bet for getting rich is going to be specializing and connections with people who have an 'in' in those industries.

I am not in the financial sector. I don't think I would go into it either.

Given my current education, I could actually work in tech instead if I really wanted to get as rich as possible. It could perfectly be a smarter strategy, too. But, honestly, while I would obviously not mind making more I am fairly satisfied with what I currently make (although I don't have any kids).

Right now, I am a lot more concerned about getting rid of debt (credit card debt first, I had to live off it for some time while I was looking for jobs) and getting a Green Card. Only then I will be able to change jobs.

I may also just go back to school for a PhD, and indeed I spent a fair amount of money on MORE coursework after getting my degree to get ready for applying again (I say "again" because I applied after finishing these courses and got admitted to a couple of good schools, but the stipend was too low to be able to study and keep up with the student loan - and I would have had to go back to a student visa). I don't know if I will, though, since a PhD is a big, long project and the issues within academia make me doubt. If I did a PhD, I would do it for both intellectual enjoyment and, yes, also as an investment.

If he gets married to someone who is a US citizen? That is not enough for immigration status to happen quickly. He will have to be solvent on his own mostly. Then both of them have to agree to get rid of student loans fast, do not do credit card debt and save for a hefty down payment on that home of their own. It is going to be a lot of factors for Wat0n to make a go of it in the USA.

True, but I am currently in a long-term relationship with a Chilean girl. I don't need to get married to get a GC.

Once he pays off the student loans he might consider remote work? I do not know if he will or will not do so. Then save and pay off in one shot a nice place in Santiago. It is a lot more affordable. But it is up to him.

Believe it or not, Santiago is not all that affordable if you consider salaries back in Chile. Even worse, in some cases, a comparable unit in a comparable neighborhood would only be somewhat cheaper in Santiago than in Chicago (but still far cheaper than in San Francisco or New York), but Chicagoans make a lot more than Santiaguinos.

He can do what many people like him do. They rent for the rest of their lives furnished apartments that have amenities in safe neighborhoods and never own a home. They pay off their student loan debt and live a lifestyle and avoid having kids. Kids are expensive and a huge responsibility.

This is exactly the type of thing I feared if I stayed in Chile, and many Chileans are in that boat. I was also heading to that kind of arrangement.

I was only able to move out and live alone when I moved here, to the US. I might have done it in Chile, but I was in a long distance relationship and travel ate much of my budget to be able to. Plus the neighborhoods I could have moved to would have been worse than where I am now (with either a lot less amenities or way more dangerous).

Now, this is a problem even for Americans themselves. And it's also a problem in Europe, Canada, Australia, Japan, New Zealand and developed countries in general. One thing many Chileans don't realize is that some of the problems Chile and much of Latin America face are the same as in the developed countries, e.g. expensive real estate, expensive education and lower earnings for going to college than in the past, expensive healthcare, pension problems, etc. For much of Latin America (but not all of it), you can also add crime and a higher inequality to that mix, but in exchange you usually get better weather (better than Chicago's at least).

My unit wasn't furnished though. Everything except for the microwave oven, stove and fridge is mine.

If he has kids he will have to think about mortgages. US property is harder than in Latin America. The property taxes in places like Chicago, NYC, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Denver, Houston, Miami, etc are KILLER. They go up every year. Mérida I am going to pay the yearly property taxes in Mérida and one house is about $10 US dollars a year. The other one is about $75 US dollars a year. Therefore? It is doable. I pay the bank trust to Monex in Mexico from my tax return every year. When I become a Mexican citizen I am changing the title on my houses. That way I cut out the damn banks altogether. You got to have a long term strategy to survive in this capitalist jungle.

Indeed, property taxes are very high. A LOT higher than in Chile and I assume than a lot higher than in Mexico too.

The upside (I'll put on my economist hat here) is that 1) they aren't that high to push people to sell, 2) it's hard to evade them, 3) they are progressive - wealthier people tend to pay higher taxes.

It is really not easy. But he thinks assimilation is the formula for doing well in life. He will find out it is killing everything of meaning in terms of real culture. But that is HIS CHOICE. Not my choice or your choice @QatzelOk but his choice. My mother and father had to face that pressure long ago. Kill your ethnic identity in order to become a 'real' American. Once they do that it is almost impossible to get it back. Their kids lose all connections to their roots and they are very easily told that being an American is about some blasé crap that is worthless. But let him make his choices.

I had intelligent parents who were never snowed by assimilationist crap thoughts. Everyone has to pay for the consequences of their choices. That is life.

It is a lot of work for people not born inherited wealth multi-millionaires Q.

If that is what he loves? That is what he loves.

The freedom to choose is something important for all individuals.

You are a rare one Q. I always loved that about you!

I would not say I am an assimilationist. I take what I like about American culture and reject what I don't like.

E.g. I make a conscious effort to reject the pathological obsession with race you see here, which I see as part of American culture (which is like the pathological obsession with social class in Latin America, I don't know if you perceive that in Mexico. I have a friend who lived in Mexico for several years and it's far worse than in Chile, where it's already bad). Not only because it's alien to me, but also for ideological reasons.

Other shit many Americans do that I will not be doing anytime soon: Go outside in pajamas (wtf), have a fur "baby" (I've seen people taking their dog in a baby trolley), etc. I may revise later when I think of other similar weird shit I've seen here.

One thing many Americans have done that I may do in the future, but haven't done yet: Learn to shoot a firearm (I don't need to own one, but it's not a bad idea to learn how to use them).

Of course, this is always subject to the maxim "when in Rome, do as the Romans do" when it comes to doing anything that may irk someone else. I think of this as a minimum courtesy to locals as a foreigner, and one reason why xenophobia against Venezuelans (specifically) has increased in Chile is that many don't respect Chilean customs in a way that is disruptive for others (e.g. some will party hard, until late at night, during the weekday - which is seen as extremely rude and annoying in Chile, and most Chileans avoid doing).

[Tainari88]

My wartime-born parents were gifted with "television" in their TV years, which they both watched enthralled by the luxury and non-stop sitcom jokes.

They watched "Suburban Heaven" sitcoms for a few years, and then got married and moved to "a sitcom suburb of lawns and station wagons." Unfortunately, once we moved to suburbia, the only jokes we enjoyed were the jokes on the hours and hours of TV we watched bored out of our suburban minds.

Cubans are also exposed to the commercial lies of commercial media, and like everyone else, they often believe that "there is a heaven out there called Sitcom America.

Of course, there were not school shootings on Welcome Back Kotter, and no one gained weight and lost their personality watching television on the Brady Bunch.

So we continued watching TV in the hopes that we would eventually experience non-stop laugh tracks.

In the meantime, we blamed ourselves for failing to become the Brady Bunch in our lawn-enclosed isolation.

Q, what you describe sounds bad.

I bet you did not fit their expectations eh?

My experience was totally different than yours in terms of parents and so on.

I hope to see them both when I die. If not? I do not think I will ever be whole again without them in my memories.

They were special human beings. Strong willed. I do not remember a lot of Television and my father used to hate those sitcoms with canned laughter. Lol. He was a creative man. Sitting around hours on end watching TV was not for him. He was extremely fun. Artistic, original, funny, he spoke Spanish of course, his native language and English too of course. And he spoke fluent Japanese.

He studied linguistics. Loved analyzing language all the time. He loved creativity with all his might. He loved a lot of great things. I do remember never being bored. Not at all as a kid. His conversations with my mother were fascinating. And he asked our opinions on everything. Included us as worthy of being equal in thought and feelings. So many incredibly great memories Q. Relationships like that when you lose that in this life? It feels like you have lost a part of your soul. And you wander through life kind of incomplete until you get them back again. That void never goes away. Because the love and the complete togetherness in it is timeless...always.

Amor Eterno.

Inolvidable. I hear that song and I think about my mother and father and how hard it is to lose the love that was so vital.

Here is the clip:

Tu es la tristesse, oh, de mes yeux
Qui pleure en silence pour ton amour
Je me regarde dans le miroir et je vois mon visage
Le temps que j'ai souffert pour tes adieux
Je te force à oublier cette pensée
Eh bien, je pense toujours à hier
Je préfère être endormi plutôt qu'éveillé
Ça me fait tellement mal que tu ne sois pas là
Comme j'aimerais, oh
que tu as vécu
Que tes petits yeux ne s'étaient jamais rencontrés
Jamais fermé et je les regarde
Amour éternel
Et inoubliable
Tôt ou tard, je serai avec toi
Pour continuer à s'aimer
J'ai tellement souffert de ton absence
Depuis ce jour jusqu'à aujourd'hui, je ne suis pas content
Et même si ma conscience est claire
Je sais que j'aurais pu faire plus pour toi
Sombre solitude que je vis
La même solitude de ta tombe
Tu es l'amour que j'ai
Le plus triste souvenir d'Acapulco
Comme j'aimerais, oh
que tu as vécu
Que tes petits yeux ne s'étaient jamais rencontrés
Jamais fermé et je les regarde
Amour éternel
Et inoubliable
Tôt ou tard, je serai avec toi
Pour continuer à s'aimer
Amour éternel
Éternel
Amour éternel, oh
Éternel
Ah ah ah ah


The core of life is about that kind of love I think.

@QatzelOk I enjoy you so much. You have a way of thinking that is very creative and very much similar to my husband. Lol.

I never really thought about it until you pointed it out to me. It is interesting. My husband was my father's friend before he met me. They got along well.

I think you would have had a great time with my parents. I still think you should write a lot Q. Screenplays, theater, short skits, stories, and storylines. Plots. And produce it. Do it all. It is very wonderful. I would watch it.

My father used to write screenplays. He was a visual person. So are you.

If you do not that is fine. But consider the creative aspect of your views.

I have a friend who is going to a health and wellness spa in Cuba. She is going for 21 days. Medical tourism. A lot of people do that for a Cuban vacation.

Did you like traveling in Cuba? On the bike? I would like to stay in the Hotel Nacional and just visit some beautiful countryside there.

https://travelviajes.com.mx/mega-travel/cuba

[late]

Appropos of not much, I would love to go to Cuba. The food, the music, the people, the old cars, the warm water, sounds fantastic.