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Joshua A Brown wrote:Cutting Pollution
In Cuba, greener farming means cleaner rivers
Posted on January 31, 2020

Joint Cuba-U.S. study finds sustainable agriculture in Cuba keeps river pollution far below levels in U.S. waterways
...Now—for the first time in more than fifty years—a team of Cuban and U.S. field scientists have worked together to rigorously test a key aspect of this story: the impacts of contemporary agriculture on water quality in Cuba’s rivers. Despite centuries of sugarcane plantations and other intensive farming, the international team discovered that none of the rivers they explored show deep damage.

Instead, the scientists measured much lower nutrient concentrations in all of the twenty-five Cuban rivers they studied than are found in the U.S.’s Mississippi River. And they think Cuba’s transition toward sustainable agriculture—and its reduced use of fertilizers on cropland—may be a primary cause.

“A lot of stories about the value of Cuba’s shift to conservation agriculture have been based on fuzzy, feel-good evidence,” says University of Vermont geologist Paul Bierman, who co-led the new research. “This study provides hard data that a crucial part of this story is true.”...

I can speak from experience, that Cuban rivers that I have walked through are clean and full of living creatures. Many that you can eat.

North American rivers are contaminated by chemical agriculture products for Big Ag.
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Cuban socialism has been a “socialism from above.” Its features include supremacy of central power, the priority of the “official” truth, and limited possibilities for self-organization—qualities that have varied in importance in the post-revolutionary period, but that are demonstrably connected with one another.

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Cuban socialism embraced the caudillista tendencies of a system centered on charismatic leadership—a phenomenon also known to other Latin-American countries of various political stripes. If capitalist countries have not ensured effective democratic procedures for popular control of the state, neither did socialist Cuba. Where capitalist societies narrow the public sphere through economic pressures, Cuba narrowed it through ideological pressures.

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the Cuban socialist experience also serves as a reminder that the market is not the only monopoly that exists. Total central planning is a dystopia, and bureaucracy is not a synonym for the people or a path to popular control.

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The Cuban experience is also a warning that without autonomous social foundations, citizenship means little, and policymaking can easily be depoliticized.

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Democratic procedures are not sufficient to secure democracy, but they are necessary.

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Since August 2018, one of the most important political processes of the last few decades in Cuba has been taking place: a public debate over a proposed constitution, drawn up by a commission appointed in the previous months, and approved in the National Assembly of People’s Power.

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the same document reaffirms that the Communist Party—to which less than 10 percent of the population belongs—will remain “the superior and guiding force of the State and of society.” And the contents of the constitution could be limited—not regulated or guaranteed—by existing laws, rather than the reverse. The proposed constitution is thoroughly statist: the state acts as representative, arbiter, and leader of the people always, on all matters, for all occasions.

https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article ... experience
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skinster wrote:https://twitter.com/telesurenglish/status/1225494368003469314?s=20


One must be careful on what hidden message it brings. It can mean, say, "China is so rotten that even Cuba has to be depended on".
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For most of the time Castro was in power, all he had to do was point at Central America.

Back then much of Central America was a hell hole, and we made it that way.

So all he had to do was point, and say 'Do you want to live like that?'

That's why the bay of Pigs failed, why he never faced serious resistance. All he had to do was be significantly better than Guatamala. And we made that far too easy to accomplish.
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Patrickov wrote:One must be careful on what hidden message it brings. It can mean, say, "China is so rotten that even Cuba has to be depended on".

Actually, the Chinese built two hospitals in two weeks, using thousands of construction workers, then staffed them each with a thousand medical workers out of the army.
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@Stormsmith this movie is based on a true story of friendship between a Cuban professor and a Russian cosmonaut and an American radio buff....interesting movie. My husband loved it.

He saw 1917 and this movie and he liked this one a lot!



@Potemkin should see this movie too! It has everything he would like to see...Russian history, old film style, Caribbean Cuban style and quirkiness....lol.

Merida Yucatan Mexico has very close historical ties and economic ties with Cuba and La Habana, the capitol city of Cuba.

I see Cubans here of all sorts. They come and do all kinds of things. A lot of Medical tourism to Cuba. A lot.

I think the Cubans influence this city enormously.
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late wrote:That's why the bay of Pigs failed


The Bay of Pigs failed because it was supposed to fail. Two American destroyers each with a battalion of marines on board ,in an amazing coincidence :lol: , just happened to be right off shore. Once it became clear that Castro was kicking ass, the Marines were to be called in as a "humanitarian" gesture (Oh those Yanks, they are so nice :lol: ). Various generals implored JFK repeatedly to order them ashore but JFK refused (one of a few reasons JFK had his brains blown out.)
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jimjam wrote:
The Bay of Pigs failed because it was supposed to fail. Two American destroyers each with a battalion of marines on board ,in an amazing coincidence :lol: , just happened to be right off shore. Once it became clear that Castro was kicking ass, the Marines were to be called in as a "humanitarian" gesture (Oh those Yanks, they are so nice :lol: ). Various generals implored JFK repeatedly to order them ashore but JFK refused (one of a few reasons JFK had his brains blown out.)



Sigh..

Ike didn't like the plan. But, as a military guy, he followed the tradition of not pissing in the other guy's soup.

And passed it off on JFK. JFK was told it was a done deal, and a guaranteed win. But when the poop hit the fan, the promised uprising didn't happen, and he decided to quit and cut his losses.

Oswald was a loner and a nut. A loser changing our history is crappy as a story. But it has the unfortunate fate of being the truth.
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late wrote:Oswald was a loner and a nut. A loser changing our history is crappy as a story. But it has the unfortunate fate of being the truth.


sigh.

There are a few dozen reasons to prove this one of the biggest lies in world history. That split second when JFK's brains hit the street were a monumental turning point in the history of the world, America in particular. And certainly in the history of 58,000 dead Americans and uncounted "brown people" in Vietnam. I am a certified JFK Conspiracy Nut …… we could go on for a few hundred pages but ….. let us agree to disagree.
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jimjam wrote:sigh.

There are a few dozen reasons to prove this one of the biggest lies in world history. That split second when JFK's brains hit the street were a monumental turning point in the history of the world, America in particular. And certainly in the history of 58,000 dead Americans and uncounted "brown people" in Vietnam. I am a certified JFK Conspiracy Nut …… we could go on for a few hundred pages but ….. let us agree to disagree.

I was a young child when the Bay of Pigs invasion happened, and when JFK was killed, and when MLK was killed, and when.... was killed....was killed... was killed.

It's like American history in the 20th Century was heading towards school shootings and fake democracy. And here we are.
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QatzelOk wrote:I was a young child when the Bay of Pigs invasion happened, and when JFK was killed, and when MLK was killed, and when.... was killed....was killed... was killed.

It's like American history in the 20th Century was heading towards school shootings and fake democracy. And here we are.

Killing of threats to the wealthy ruling American class is generally SOP ……….. don't forget Huey P. Long , shot dead in 1935….. Highly charismatic and possibly on his way to POTUS …..

https://youtu.be/8MKb35NK0F0
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jimjam wrote:There are a few dozen reasons to prove this one of the biggest lies in world history.

And the worst cover up too perhaps, which a majority of Americans are still not dumb enough to buy.

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They also seem to have a clue as to whether who could have done it.

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So why do they accept and tolerate it? Maybe because they're so inured to and dependent on the system?

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Beren, the first three suspects on the Popular suspicion list- mafia, US government, and the CIA.... are possibly the three remaining"branches" of Western governance, thanks to the magical greed of Central Banksters.
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Stormsmith wrote:Actually, the Chinese built two hospitals in two weeks, using thousands of construction workers, then staffed them each with a thousand medical workers out of the army.

They also sent police to discipline the doctor who tried to warn others of the virus. If China were an open society they may not need these hospitals.
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Crantag wrote:Of course, this chart also shows the current ongoing forgetting of the history. In which year do you wager that the two variables will intercept?

If the (linear) trends (since 2003) in the graph have been and will be continuing, it's going to happen in 2025, so there could be only five years left. So the lone nut version could be bought by a majority when those that lived then and still remember it die out.
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