[skinster]

Perhaps, perhaps.

[Decky]

I'll just leave this here.

[Sivad]

Decky, are you sure you're not a deep cover wingnut. If I really wanted to discredit socialism I'd go around defending Castro and Stalin on message boards and YouTube. I'd pretend like gulagism isn't a thing, that it never hapened, that the US is a far worse place to live than Cuba, That life in the DPRK is tits. Why are the commie kidz working so hard to undermine socialism?

[Decky]

I'd pretend like gulagism isn't a thing, that it never hapened

When did I ever pretend that gulags didn't exist? I just don't see what is exceptionally monstrous about criminals doing hard morally improving outdoor work while they serve their sentence.

After all I have to do it and I haven't even committed any crimes.

Is it really any worse than prisons in the UK where staff shortages mean prisoners are sometimes spending 23 hours a day locked in cells as the Tories have cut the prison guards to the point they don't have enough people to supervise prisoners outside of cells. It is worse than the enormous amount of involuntary sodomy that takes place in US prisons?

The gulag system existed sure, I just don't quite see what the big deal about it is.

[Sivad]

When did I ever pretend that gulags didn't exist? I just don't see what is exceptionally monstrous about criminals doing hard morally improving outdoor work while they serve their sentence.


The gulag system existed sure, I just don't quite see what the big deal about it is.

The big deal is that it was used for political repression. I have no problem sending real criminals to the gulag, gulaging political dissidents is another matter. Gulagism is not just shipping dissidents off to Siberia either, it's turning the whole of society into one giant gulag.

[Decky]

Oh no! All those rapists, murderers, saboteurs, Trotskyites and Nazi PoWs who were politically repressed! My heart bleeds for them.

Why is it you people devote so much more time bitching about worker's states than bosses' states? You ain't no socialist.

[Sivad]

You ain't no socialist.

No, I just have my priorities straight. There is no socialism without liberty and democracy so I'm a libertarian before anything else, then a democrat, then a socialist.

[Pants-of-dog]

It's not an assumption, you've been defending gulagism for like 30 pages of thread now. You're obviously a gulagist, you just don't like the term because it's unflattering. Gulagists can't call themselves what they are, nobody would want anything to do with them because gulagism is reprehensible. So they have polish up that turd with bullshitty labels like "Marxist-Leninist" or just pretend to be socialists. But they're not fooling anybody who doesn't want to be fooled, the only people they've ever managed to hoodwink are desperately impoverished illiterate peasants.

No, it is an incorrect assumption.

And you have massively misunderstood my argument if you think I have been defending your imaginary ideology.

I have been arguing that Cuba is not totalitarian.

You incorrectly think I am arguing that Cuba is a totalitarian country and that this is good.

You seem so wrapped up in calling me names and patting yourself on the back that you have completely misunderstood my whole argument this thread.

The fact that you claim to have the moral high ground while making vaguely racist statements about how Latinos are illiterate peasants is laughable.

Not to mention that your complete unwillingness to denounce US gulagism in Latin America actually makes you more of a supporter of authoritarian states than people like me who had to live in and fight against the authoritarian states that your government created.

There is a gulag on the island of Cuba: the US Guantánamo base where people are held without trial.

[Tainari88]

No, it is an incorrect assumption.

And you have massively misunderstood my argument if you think I have been defending your imaginary ideology.

I have been arguing that Cuba is not totalitarian.

You incorrectly think I am arguing that Cuba is a totalitarian country and that this is good.

You seem so wrapped up in calling me names and patting yourself on the back that you have completely misunderstood my whole argument this thread.

The fact that you claim to have the moral high ground while making vaguely racist statements about how Latinos are illiterate peasants is laughable.

Not to mention that your complete unwillingness to denounce US gulagism in Latin America actually makes you more of a supporter of authoritarian states than people like me who had to live in and fight against the authoritarian states that your government created.

There is a gulag on the island of Cuba: the US Guantánamo base where people are held without trial.

Pants, the ones who don't want change in Latin America? Are the ones who don't want what Allende spoke of in the University of Guadalajara in 1972. One of the greatest speeches ever delivered.

Allende was freely elected. But he thought that he could make decisions not approved of by the corporatists and the elite in Chile and the right wing military. Kissinger and others did not believe in 'democracy' in Latin America because that would mean poor people the vast majority would rule government. Can't allow that. So Sivad's gulag shit has to happen in Latin America if you are a socialist and democratic, like Salvador Allende was.

The true Gulagists are the pro capitalists. They need to accept that reality. Especially in Latin America.

The Speech:

He was a great president. He died but his death was not in vain. Allende lives in all truly just socialists. Like you and I.

[Sivad]

No, it is an incorrect assumption.

And you have massively misunderstood my argument if you think I have been defending your imaginary ideology.

I have been arguing that Cuba is not totalitarian.

You incorrectly think I am arguing that Cuba is a totalitarian country and that this is good.

I understand your incoherent sophistry as well as anyone can. You kind of vacillate between apologism and denial, the only thing that needs to be understood is that you're a dishonest shill for gulagism.

The fact that you claim to have the moral high ground while making vaguely racist statements about how Latinos are illiterate peasants is laughable.

I don't really give a shit about the moral high ground but I guess I do have it here because there's nothing lower than a gulagist who makes bogus accusations of racism to score some cheap points in defense of gulagism.

Not to mention that your complete unwillingness to denounce US gulagism in Latin America

I actually have denounced US imperialism repeatedly ITT. Most liars try to only tell lies they think they can get away with, you'll tell any lie regardless of how blatantly obvious it is. That's just .

[skinster]

Libertarian.

[Pants-of-dog]

I understand your incoherent sophistry as well as anyone can. You kind of vacillate between apologism and denial, the only thing that needs to be understood is that you're a dishonest shill for gulagism.

Your insults are not an argument, and this does not change the fact that you have been unable to show that Cuba is actually totalitarian.

Nor does it change the fact that you are incorrect about my political philosophy.

I don't really give a shit about the moral high ground but I guess I do have it here because there's nothing lower than a gulagist who makes bogus accusations of racism to score some cheap points in defense of gulagism.

No, your vaguely racist statements show that you may think yourslef as more moral than others, but you are not.

I actually have denounced US imperialism repeatedly ITT. Most liars try to only tell lies they think they can get away with, you'll tell any lie regardless of how blatantly obvious it is. That's just .

No, you have not. At best you mentioned it once or twice when you were forced to by the sheer amount of evidence.

Finally, none of this has to do with the fact that you have incorrectly accused Allende of “gulagism”.

And you have repeatedly ignored the fact that the authoritarian governments in Latin America have almost all been supported by the USA.

[Sivad]

Libertarian.

[Decky]

The more anarchists I interact with the more I am convinced the Kronstadt solution was best in the long run.

[QatzelOk]

The true Gulagists are the pro capitalists. They need to accept that reality. Especially in Latin America.

Capitalism is all about forming a gang who can dominate others, then become absentee slumlords.

By absenting themselves from the people they exploit, they can permit their workers to live in abominable conditions in order to finance their increasing levels of over-consumption, which renders them numb and in need of "more" to get the same fix.

The neglected worker lives in a gulag. There are suburban gulags all over North America, where isolated people spend their lives in quiet desparation, denied either community or a proper socialization.

The third world is regularly robbed and terrorized, and these isolated suburbanites are lead to believe that foreigners immizeration means that their own misery is "exceptional."

[Sivad]

No, you have not. At best you mentioned it once or twice when you were forced to by the sheer amount of evidence.

It's like you're confused about the purpose of lying. Lies are meant to deceive, so they have to be somewhat plausible. If you just make some shit up that everyone knows is bs you haven't accomplished anything other than instantly discrediting yourself. Maybe you're just one of those borderline personalities that lives in your own reality-adjacent bubble where you're always winning even if you're really not?

[Sivad]

The more anarchists I interact with the more I am convinced the Kronstadt solution was best in the long run.

The more gulagists I interact with the more I understand why it always comes down to mass murder with you people. Look at your buddy PoD, he's abandoned rational discourse because the facts, reason, and evidence are all against him. All he's got is a demented little ideology. If he had any power he'd be dangerous. If we lived in a gulag state like Cuba he would've informed on me by now. If you don't have an intellectual or moral leg to stand on just start gulaging and murdering people into submission, eh?

[QatzelOk]

The more gulagists I interact with the more I understand why it always comes down to mass murder with you people.

I agree with you in that World Wars 1 and 2 were both caused by capitalism, and its never-ending search for resource gulags.

Virtually all of capitalism's wars are to create gulags of some sort: resource gulags, refugee gulags, ungovernable colony gulags, etc. Banksters love re-financing these gulag states capitalism creates, because it's so easy to put everyone into massive debt and buy infrastructure for pennies when these capitalist gulags go bankrupt.

Cuba had a revolution in order to stop being a capitalist resource gulag.

When states like Cuba or Venuzuela or Iran break out of their capitalist gulagism, the USA and its bankster allies apply either sanctions or warfare in order to destroy them before they get too developed.

[Pants-of-dog]

It's like you're confused about the purpose of lying. Lies are meant to deceive, so they have to be somewhat plausible. If you just make some shit up that everyone knows is bs you haven't accomplished anything other than instantly discrediting yourself. Maybe you're just one of those borderline personalities that lives in your own reality-adjacent bubble where you're always winning even if you're really not?

Look, you obviously have a lot of deep feelings about me and my presence here makes you emotional.

This is why you cannot help yourself when it comes to irrelevant personal attacks.

But if you honestly think I am lying or mistaken, feel free to disprove my claims.

Considering the fact that you are unable to even define gulagism, I will not hold my proverbial breath.

Also, I suggets rereading the forum rules. Personal attacks and double posting are both violations.

[Decky]

The more gulagists I interact with the more I understand why it always comes down to mass murder with you people. Look at your buddy PoD, he's abandoned rational discourse because the facts, reason, and evidence are all against him. All he's got is a demented little ideology. If he had any power he'd be dangerous. If we lived in a gulag state like Cuba he would've informed on me by now. If you don't have an intellectual or moral leg to stand on just start gulaging and murdering people into submission, eh?

PoD is not my buddy, I detest him. Where are you getting this from? He is not a socialist and he is not working class, he has already admitted to working in a management role. I am not on the side of anyone who sits in the site office all day tugging themselves while the real men are out on the scaffold.