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@Zamuel the USA with Donald Trump and what Ronan Farrow has stated in various interviews he has had with Rex Tillerson and other 'leaders' of the state department and the diplomatic wing of the federal DC government is that the USA is not going to make any efforts to deal with real policy making and plans that work. They (the Trump administration), just want to enrich themselves and help themselves to any possible profits to be had by selling the power of the presidency to make themselves very wealthy once they are out of office. They are burning the little capital they have with many allies and enemies.

It is a sign of a failing system that is corrupt to its core and unlikely to be able to get out of it without some blood running in the streets and a sixties style of violent uprisings in the future. That is the unfortunate truth of it. They are entrenched corrupt types unwilling to share power and untrusting of even each other. It is a Nero/Caligula type of scene there. And it is cartoonish Zamuel. But it is the present reality of the USA.
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annatar1914 wrote:That would be great Zam, except that the Plutocrats running the show in the United States would never allow that if they could help it. Much of the problems Socialism and Socialists have had in the past is due to the Money-Grubbers and their Dupes.


(See the edit of that post) Also consider this as a "Post-Trump" project for Cuba. The US may be ready for some "attitude adjustment" once the wantabe dictator is gone.

Tainari88 wrote: It is a Nero/Caligula type of scene there. And it is cartoonish Zamuel. But it is the present reality of the USA.”

As you cautioned Rich, I would caution you. Your perceptions are ignorant and askew. The present reality in America is in a state of flux … this will remain so until the dust settles after the mid-term elections and/or Mueller goes public (possible presidential indictment) with the results of his investigation. When the smoke clears, you may find a very different America, with commercial interests busily realigning themselves to facilitate survival.

Zam :rockon:
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Zamuel wrote:

Inre: Puerto Rico, Casino's can generate funds rapidly, but I'm not sure flying there at some expense, to risk life and limb in an area devoid of federal support, is an attractive concept. There are a LOT of alternative "Casino" destinations that offer greater security.

Cuba could "liberate" the island with some unarmed construction crews working on roads and power grids ... Then "Invite" the population to vote for independence and Cuban annexation. That ought to get some federal attention at least.

Zam :excited:


Zamuel, Puerto Rico already has a lot of casinos. They used to funnel funds to the University of Puerto Rico and so on with the profits. The issue is not that. The issue is that Puerto Rico is a little test tube of what the international banking and capitalist class wants to do with many nations all over the world. Mainly, sell the public debt to investors, swoop in and take over all public utitilities, schools, etc and privatize everything. Lower the real estate to next to nothing, buy up all land and squeeze profit out of it. The supposed "Crypto Currency" or "Puerto Cryptos" come in and the native Puerto Ricans are sort of permanently pushed out of their ancient land and island and the new group takes over and manipulates the market and policies so they are devoid of taxes and free of any sort of government regulation and can be self sufficient.

This is an interesting piece on youtube.com about Puerto Rico's future and the conflict for its future going on now. It should be a wake up call for all struggling indebted nations who are small and lack self determination:
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Tainari88 wrote:@Zamuel the USA with Donald Trump and what Ronan Farrow has stated in various interviews he has had with Rex Tillerson and other 'leaders' of the state department and the diplomatic wing of the federal DC government is that the USA is not going to make any efforts to deal with real policy making and plans that work. They (the Trump administration), just want to enrich themselves and help themselves to any possible profits to be had by selling the power of the presidency to make themselves very wealthy once they are out of office. They are burning the little capital they have with many allies and enemies.

It is a sign of a failing system that is corrupt to its core and unlikely to be able to get out of it without some blood running in the streets and a sixties style of violent uprisings in the future. That is the unfortunate truth of it. They are entrenched corrupt types unwilling to share power and untrusting of even each other. It is a Nero/Caligula type of scene there. And it is cartoonish Zamuel. But it is the present reality of the USA.


The reality is, is that they plan on ''fixing'' Capitalism. And they will do so in a manner that is not temporary as I think you are implying, but permanently.
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annatar1914 wrote:The reality is, is that they plan on ''fixing'' Capitalism. And they will do so in a manner that is not temporary as I think you are implying, but permanently.

Sorry, Trump has NO plan, he's winging it and will soon have his feathers clipped. He's off the leash and out of control. Alienating those that placed him in power and terrifying his public base.

I tend to forget how tied you are to your preconceived ideals and committed to the fantasy you envision. Sorry, America (with or without Donald Trump) will be here for a - Long Long - time.

Zam :lol:
#14912972
Sorry, Trump has NO plan


Trump and his backers most certainly have a plan. You guys engaged in thinking otherwise which was just fine by him, and you watched him win the primaries, then the general election, and he'll keep on because he cannot be otherwise than what he is, and his enemies will refuse to see for the most part because they cannot but be what they are as well.

he's winging it and will soon have his feathers clipped. He's off the leash and out of control. Alienating those that placed him in power and terrifying his public base.


Drinking your own kool-aid, brotha, getting high on your own supply. You think this because this is how you'd react and how you perceive the situation. Trump's got you exactly where he wants you, and those like you.

I tend to forget how tied you are to your preconceived ideals and committed to the fantasy you envision. Sorry, America (with or without Donald Trump) will be here for a - Long Long - time.


I'm an American Patriot, and what began in 1776 is an ongoing Revolution. But i'm talking about the Ideal of America. The geographical country may or may not survive much longer, or could go on for a long time.
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Godstud wrote:Capitalism cannot be "fixed". It must be regulated.

Regulated by whom?

Capitalism has taken over governments and signed anti-regulations treaties ("free trade") to make sure that they are never properly regulated.

Only on capitalist propaganda (Potemkin media) can capitalism work (and give you a beautiful smile and clean breath).
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QatzelOk wrote:Regulated by whom?

Capitalism has taken over governments and signed anti-regulations treaties ("free trade") to make sure that they are never properly regulated.

Only on capitalist propaganda (Potemkin media) can capitalism work (and give you a beautiful smile and clean breath).


Capitalism can be successfully regulated, but it's still inherently unjust.
#14913320
Citing capitalism's ability to govern itself, Sivad wrote: Progressive taxation, social safety nets, campaign finance restrictions, environmental protection laws, etc

Were you not aware of those things?

The current generation doesn't know much about these things, and it's just as well since they're all disappearing.
Capitalism didn't provide any of them. Most of the "tactics" you mention were encacted after global depressions full of starvation and wars. And then, all of these "gifts" (which were fought for in the USA by socialists and communists) were taken away as soon as capitalism realized they could make us stupid and helpless with mass media and suburban isolation.

Capitalism lived through all the 19th and 20th Century riots that lead to progressive policies. Seeing these social movements as being caused by communities, they then killed our communities (with suburban zoning) and our ability to talk to one another (with mass media). Le Corbusier, the architect, even said "Kill the street!" when referring to the construction of large cement towers and highways to suburbia.

Cubans weren't fooled by our capitalists. They saw capitalism starve their people to death (during the depression when sugar prices sank - all capitalism would let Cubans grow was sugar), and then watched capitalism drop Agent Orange on their farms, and try to kill all the leaders of their nation.
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Sivad wrote:Yeah, in their great wisdom they let themselves get gulaged by a two-bit caudillo.

The Irish were also starved to death by their callous capitalist masters.

All capitalists treat normal people as herd animals. Americans will find this out as soon as the economy sinks. But this time, drones will kill all the poor before they can riot for socially progressive policies.

That's what capitalist "progress" amounts to: Better torture techniques for more concentration of income into fewer hands.
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Sivad wrote::knife:


What do you think drones are for?

They're for terrorizing normal people by remote control.

It allows rich people with clean hands to kill social activists from the 99%.

If the USA tries to put them onto the island of Cuba, all of Latin America ought to invade the USA because, stationed in Guantanamo, they would be for using on all local islands, and much of Central America and the South American nations on the northern half of the continent.

Capitalism shows its nature when it blows up wedding parties on the other side of the world. What blind callousness.

Meanwhile, in Cuba, people still hang out in their communities, so there's a lot of empathy and sharing. It's hard to imagine, from a Cuban perspective, the usefullness of remote-controlled bombers in creating "a better economic deal."

This is all capitalists seem to have left in their bag of tricks, along with torture an mass media lies and spying. I don't think Cubans should be jealous of these horrible, toxic things that our rich weirdos use to control other people like domestic animals.
#14913701
Sivad wrote:That's just not an issue at this point, it's dystopian scifi stuff. Maybe 100 years from now that might come up, but they'd probably use a bioweapon for that anyway.

Capitalism gave us drones, chemical weapons, bio weapons, Agent Orange, and Monsanto food products.

Capitalism has turned most of the Caribbean into extremely poor places with terrible services. Haiti is only 90km from Cuba, but it's capitalist - so it's a world apart in lifespan or quality of life.

Most critics of Cuba on this thread have focussed on videos that were made that show a few people complaining. But you can find a few people complaining in any country on earth. It means absolutely nothing since the same posters have not also featured a video of Haitians "rejoicing" about their capitalist system (the one that was forced on them again and again by various empires).
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