[colliric]

Not sure if it's already been posted here, but Catherine Deneuve opposed the MeToo movement and got stupidly criticized by women half her age for it.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-1 ... fmredir=sm

[Pants-of-dog]

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I know of no such claims. There may never be any court cases. I was simply articulating that there are laws that should protect someone from being fired in some circumstances. Many of these celebrities have contracts. We will see what kind of settlements they reach. My suspicion is that many of the firings are simply strategic rather than based upon some moral outrage. So a check will be written and the "offender" go away quietly. All the richer for the experience.

Right, there are no cases.

People accusing sexual assault victims and their supporters of circumventing due process are getting worked up over nothing because there is no actual circumventing of due process. And this is what makes the accusations of “hysteria” so hypocritical and ironic.

Even if we look at the accusations of Atwood, we see her also using the term “due process” incorrectly.

Due process is the legal requirement that the state must respect all legal rights that are owed to a person. Due process balances the power of law of the land and protects the individual person from it. When a government harms a person without following the exact course of the law, this constitutes a due process violation, which offends the rule of law.

Please note that the definition clearly states that it is a limit on state power, and is a legal term. It is not about getting fired.

In the case of Galloway, this all happened before the MeToo campaign, so blaming this on the MeToo campaign makes no sense unless you guys believe in magic time travel.

Also, due process does not mean “complete transparency when people are fired”, despite Atwood’s confusion. It makes more sense to think that the university is not being transparent in order to avoid liability, instead of imagining some conspiracy of feminists out to take power and money away from men.

[skinster]

She apologized for that dumb shit she said.

What's curious is men seeking out people who criticize sexual harassment/rape claims made by women, AKA the metoo movement, rather than sexual harassment/rape and general male behaviour within the rape culture we live in, instead.

The metoo movement is legit and frankly, long overdue. Stop pretending as though male violence towards women isn't a thing; I've already posted the statistics ITT.

[colliric]

She apologized for that dumb shit she said.

But let's be absolutely clear.... She did not retract her statement (which was signed by 99 other women). She apologized for the fact it hurt peoples feelings because she believed they misinterpreted it's harsh French language.

So it's still her view.

It was the view she expressed last year too.

[skinster]

I think she was clear in her apology towards women who experienced sexual harassment/assault. Not that it really matters to me because I ignored that letter she signed up to anyway. I figured her apology was more for you, so you or others like you can scatter off in search for more women to use as a weapon against the metoo movement.

Just so you know, that tactic isn't going to work or stop women from talking about male behaviour in this rape culture we live in.

[Godstud]

We do not live in a "Rape culture". Rape is a crime. Stop insinuating that all men are rapists, or are trying to perpetuate crimes against women, by using that term. It's offensive to men who support feminism, and it undermines feminism, while being akin to misandry.

[skinster]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture

[Godstud]

I don't give a fuck what Wiki says. It's a term that doesn't need to be used. Its use does not make discussion about the problem any better, or easier. It demonizes all men, even the ones who are supportive of women and don't perpetuate the problem.

I, for one, am not a part of any rape culture.

[skinster]

Rape culture is a thing whether you wish to be a part of it or not. I'd rather not be too, but that's not an option for me.

I mean, oops! I forget, men are the victims is the theme in this thread.

How about you shut the fuck up and read up what it means when people use the term "rape culture". Or continue being an arrogant victim because "waaaah I don't like certain words put together".

[colliric]

I think she was clear in her apology towards women who experienced sexual harassment/assault.

Her apology was for the hurt feelings from misunderstanding, not the contents of the letter. That was pretty clear.

[skinster]

She literally apologizes to women who are victims of sexual assault ("these hideous attacks"), but ok.

[Godstud]

I never said men were victims. I was saying that demonizing all men isn't helping the situation.

I'm supposed to be considered part of the problem, when I am not? Why?

Why do I have to shut up? What I am saying is valid, and if you even read the description of what you posted, you'd find that it is receiving the same criticism from others, as well.

[skinster]

It's not about you, but the culture, where in America, a woman is raped every 6 minutes.

One would assume a person who wasn't a rapist, wouldn't be offended by such a term (even if they decided to ignore what it means), but okay.

[skinster]

You're allowed to have an opinion.

[Godstud]

I, for one, think that when you make a blanket statement like "rape culture", you are stereotyping men(or insinuating) in general, as the problem. When you do so, I think that you also are going to alienate men who are allies, and not part of the problem.

If you want to fix this problem, you need to have men as feminists and allies. I don't think that referring to the problem as a matter of a "rape culture" is conducive to this.

That's my opinion on it. If you don't like it, fine.

[skinster]

It's not my problem that you think the term 'rape culture' is negatively directed at you (for whatever weird reason that you do).

And while it's nice to see men advocate for feminism, denying rape culture is a thing just because the words offend you = not the type of ally I for one, could give a shit about.

[Suntzu]

What is needed is a #FuckYou fund. Sue the panties off every bitch that makes a claim of sexual harassment she can't prove.

[Zag Note: Please use grown up language when making a point, otherwise that point may vanish]

[Godstud]

Not at me, but men in general, and paints all with the same brush.

Denying a made-up thing? OK. Fuck your cause. You certainly aren't helping it.

[skinster]

edit: I liked Suntzu's comment after Zag's edit, obviously not before.

[AFAIK]

@Pants-of-dog
Many first world countries have employment rights so you're boss can't fire you at any time for any reason. Britain even has employment tribunals where workers can argue they were unfairly dismissed.

I'm sorry to hear you live in a shithole where due process has such a narrow definition.