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foxdemon wrote:The central concern must be the principle of innocent until proven guilty.


Which is what I said in my post about how accusations need to be backed up by evidence.

Western feminism is,in my opinion, a reassertion of social inequaility in what was for a time an increasingly equality culture, and thus a total waste of time from a social justice point of view.


I largely agree with the rest of what you've said as I'm not a proponent of identity/gender politics. One of the many reasons why third wave feminism has so many contradictions and inherent flaws is that it isn't predicated on addressing socioeconomic disparity. Modern feminism is largely not socialist in character, but an extension of liberal bourgeois thinking. It's the reason why there are morons like the people working as editors over at Huffington Post in @maz's above post, who think an all-female work environment is equality, or girl power, or some other stupid nonsense. Those idiots have completely lost the plot and the ideas behind feminism.

Liberal feminism, in the end, simply teaches women how to be better capitalists. It doesn't actually aim to end inequality.
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Tainari88 wrote:It is a lot more common than what anyone believes. Men should stop that SHIT. But also there was a lesbian woman who was fired from her job as a manager because she harrassed a good looking married heterosexual young black woman on the job, talking about shit like, "You are my work wife" and trying to grab her tit during the coffee break.

Men got away with that shit for years with impunity.


With due respect it's a testosterone related issue and flat out asking men to "stop" is kinda akin to asking a woman to stop having periods. Or whatever women do to men as a result of estrogen being in their system.

Both are caused by hormones and are difficult to control. So no "just stop" isn't going to work. Your lesbian friend has a higher level of testosterone in her body than other woman do(either by HRT or by natural hormonal imbalance) so you can't use her as an example of a normalised woman with normal hormonal levels.

Today's society does not support the teaching of self-restraint in general. It's just "oh Stop it, it's just wrong you must stop it right this instant".... Not what it should be "You need to learn some self-discipline to mitigate the hormonal and mental effects of Testosterone, I know you will struggle with it your whole life".

I hate it when women knowingly make comments on issues they MUST KNOW are related to Testosterone, then say we're not allowed to comment on "women's issues(i.e. Estrogen related issues)" like menstruation or pregnancy related mood swings.
#14874539
You know I have to tell the truth. When I was sixteen years old I was walking to my high school with my best friend who was chatting with me and this middle aged asshole man came out of nowhere and grabbed my genitals. I was just a young girl. Took me completely by surprise. It disgusted me and pissed me off something bad.....he started sprinting when I threw my book bag (back pack at him) and then I found a discarded aluminium can on the side of the road and aimed that at him as he still ran away like a damn coward!

But I felt unclean all day that day. Took three showers. It is HORRIBLE. I don't appreciate these men who have not had a violation of their body by some dirty disgusting person....what that feels like. It is BAD. I still hate that feeling I am not sixteen years old anymore.

Another incident happened when I as 19 years old. I was taking a class Western Civilization class with this guy who was a classmate. He had a pockmarked face and short and stocky and soft spoken and always going to evangelical meetings on campus. He asked me to help him study for a test. I was a helpful person and I said of course I will help you prepare and we study together. I was married at that time for a year. So, I went to help him and he and I went to the public library there and as soon as I got in the study room and he closed the door...the animal attacked me. He was trying to rape me. I remember the panic I felt and I just kicked him anywhere I could, and then I grabbed the book backpack I had and hit him with all my might. He went down. I remember I opened the door and RAN the hell out of there.....I walked around campus thinking how to handle that incident. If I told my husband or my father? Knowing them well? That son-of-a-bitch would have been dead as a doornail. My husband had a bad temper when some drug addict pushed and shoved his mother to the ground to steal her purse for money....and my husband was murderous over that for weeks looking for that drug addict well known in the barrio to KILL his ass. Never saw him that furious in my entire life, he just said, "Whoever touches my mother, I will end HIM. End him." And he was so pissed off....I had to talk him out of bloody murder and that was a purse. If I had told him the guy attacked me? Both he and Papi would have killed him on the spot. I knew that. Threw his ass in some boat ride in the Caribbean sea or the Atlantic and no one would know. I knew that as sure as I knew I had to do something. But tell them? Could not do it.

So, I went to the counselor at the school and told him. He was a very good man. He did a whole discreet process and the would be rapist fuck, who apparently got a cracked rib because of me and some bruises he complained about.....was kicked out of the university. But he should have been charged with attempted rape. But since it occurred on campus he got off lightly.

Men really don't get how traumatic that stuff is for women. It is BAD. It still pisses me off. I just did not want to risk my father or my husband going to jail for years over that piece of garbage fake Christian pig.
#14874549
skinster wrote:Are you suggesting the men who don't abuse or rape women don't do these things because they have a low level of testosterone?


Partly yes, because it's scientific fact. Animals with higher levels of testosterone have higher levels of aggressive, angry and sexually frustrated behaviour.

This is why Women don't often act like this. And when they do, it's caused by hormonal imbalance which could be unintentional(born with abnormal hormone levels) or intentional(to become like a man so taking "T" as they call it in the queer community).

The solution isn't to just say "stop doing this, it's obviously wrong, you weird monster", that's ignoring the real issue and is usually said by individuals not affected by testosterone internally.

Our society is meant to be one of reform and penitentence. It doesn't help a person reform by screaming at them how "evil you obviously are", when the male sex acts very commonly like this and women don't (they act evil towards men in other ways), it just makes it worse.

These people mainly don't have, and haven't learned ANY self discipline at all. And they are usually very socially isolated people who are beyond the point where they will fit into modern day society. No one changes overnight.

I am not taking away from Tanari88, I feel sad that happened to her. But that "stop it now, you must change immediately you monster" approach just makes these men worse. It ignores the fact that testosterone scientifically makes the male sex more bitter, Angry, frustrated, physically and sexually aggressive. And the solution isn't to tinker with nature nor ostracize men, it is to teach these men how to cope with their behavioural issues related to hormones.

Teach them responsible behaviours.
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colliric wrote:Partly yes, because it's scientific fact. Animals with higher levels of testosterone have higher levels of aggressive, angry and sexually frustrated behaviour.


Not in my experience. I know men who can be aggressive in certain contexts :excited: , but treat women respectfully otherwise.

Stop excusing shitty behaviour.
#14874553
It is a catharsis in mass is what it is @skinster . All that trauma women just hide under their skins for years....it festers there unless there is justice of some kind. That Harvey Weinstein man got away with rape, and since many of those actresses worried heavily about getting roles and so on? They just took it without reporting it because the men in many of these cases are powerful dudes with money or position. But most of the abuse that is unresolved never goes away.

I am glad I did not tell my husband til years later. About 20 years later. He asked me why I had not told him...and I said, "You would have killed him wouldn't you?" He thought about it and said, "Either that or beat him within an inch of his life. Puerto Rico in those days in my barrio is not the USA. Here anything you do to these assholes you go to court. Over there? If you cover your ass well...you don't go to jail. It is another society. I would either have killed him or beaten him up extremely badly. Your father would have killed him. I knew your father so well. Yes, he would have ended his life. Maybe after beating him up first. " I told him, 'I can't risk any harm coming to my family. Those pig like pieces of shit men are not worth it."

I really don't understand how a man gets off raping a woman. For me that is a mystery. She is full of terror, and fear....and he has to get off of someone being in complete terror and not wanting it.....at all. It is a very very sick and low life act. They risk serious issues.

Feminist power grabs? No. You are dealing with sick individuals who are criminals and who disrespect and loathe women deeply. If you love women you respect them. You know how to talk to them with respect, and build a real relationship built on trust and respect and equality and love and affection.That other assault and attack behavior is about power and control and sick stuff where they think they can just rape a woman and she will be so scared as to shut up about it forever.

Men can be raped too. And it is not a thing men even like to talk about. Being raped by other men....the shame is horrible and they feel violated, dirty and want to hide it. Women feel the same thing. Why can't they understand that?

Feminist power grab? They should be ashamed of defending that sick, disgusting, low-life behavior of men who have no social skills, who can't establish respectful relationships with women, who are incapable of being human. PUERCOS!
#14874554
I knew a man very close to me that witnessed a woman, at five years of age, murder her husband by letting him burn to death in a house fire then gloating about it....

I knew a man who witnessed a Nun consistently beating up a young male child in school that when she was in old age he went to pay a visit her and remind her that male child committed suicide.

Almost every baby boomer man who went to Catholic School in Melbourne when corporal punishment was still vogue was hit severely over and over again by a woman that was not their mother. And some of these "women" protected abusive priests as well.

I knew a man who as a child was raped by an older woman(and also he was abused by a man too), and the police did nothing about it.....

I've known men whose experience having the family court take their children and give that child to an abusive woman, then made that man broke, made them kill themselves.

You want more?

My point is this goes both ways.
#14874555
Anecdotal evidence is cute. :D

Tainari88 wrote: Men can be raped too. And it is not a thing men even like to talk about. Being raped by other men....the shame is horrible and they feel violated, dirty and want to hide it. Women feel the same thing. Why can't they understand that?


Yes, men are raped too. And boys. Nearly always by other men.

Women aren't the problem here.
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colliric wrote:I knew a man very close to me that witnessed a woman, at five years of age, murder her husband by letting him burn to death in a house fire then gloating about it....

I knew a man who witnessed a Nun consistently beating up a young male child in school that when she was in old age he went to pay a visit her and remind her that male child committed suicide.

Almost every baby boomer man who went to Catholic School in Melbourne when corporal punishment was still vogue was hit severely over and over again by a woman that was not their mother. And some of these "women" protected abusive priests as well.

I knew a man who as a child was raped by an older woman(and also he was abused by a man too), and the police did nothing about it.....

I've known men whose experience having the family court take their children and give that child to an abusive woman, then made that man broke, made them kill themselves.

You want more?

My point is this goes both ways.


The overwhelming evidence is that rape is very skewed towards men committing it. Nuns and freaky women who love to abuse are out there. I have known them. I can't stand them either. But specific sexual harrassment is about males using their power or being so into rape as to override what should be clear. I went to some seminar about sexual abuse because I did social work for a bit. What did I learn? That it is about power tripping men with no sense of respect. Criminals.

I talked about that topic a long time ago with my husband and he told me, "Tainari, I don't even know how a man gets it up. Women are closed, dry and hard to penetrate under fear....the only way they are going to be 'successful' is by having such a sick need to get off that it doesn't phase them. You got to be a sick animal. I could never even think of hurting a woman like that. I could not live with it. Ever."

My husband always had women friends. Older women, young women, peers, of all sorts. They would talk to him with complete confidence about their feelings, and even some of them confessed being raped by people they knew. I asked two of them why they would talk to my husband about such things? He was a man. They said, "Oh, your husband is different. He respects women. In everything he does. He likes women as humans. He is trustworthy." Why? Because I think my husband truly believes women are his equals and loves who we are. He likes how we think, how we are, and he likes female leadership. I think that is why he retains such long standing relationships of trust and respect with women colleagues, women bosses he has had, women friends.

All you need to do is to really believe women are your equals and work on social skills. I have to say my husband has the best manners and is highly respectful of all people. But for women he goes the extra mile.


I married a gentleman. Through and through. Not a pig. That is vital in this world. Don't marry an asshole sexist, racist pig disrespectful piece of trash man with no sense of justice. They will make your life impossible.

Need to stop making stupid 'hormone' excuses for men that are pigs Colliric. Stop the excuses for pigs without a conscience and no respect.
#14874567
I'd put a billion bucks on your husband never having been the victim of an abusive violent woman in his childhood given he is presumably younger than most men of that baby boomer generation.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nuns ... -bd3zktvx7

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-gla ... t-41273549

This happened everywhere to some degree in Catholic orphanages and Catholic Schools..... And in most other schools too. They also abused both male children and female children (as that example show s). When victims of Priests reported that Priest to the Nuns(which is a logical first port of call for a young child), the nuns would proceed to bash them up for "causing trouble" instead.

To Baby Boomers. The generation that the man whom attacked you was from.

These were all Women abusers. Women tend to abuse children with physical violence over sexual violence.

I have even seen woman dragging their young male child upside down like a sack of potatoes on a shopping centre floor recently... I'm sure he'll remember that later on when he grows up. It happened so quickly I was too stunned to say a word. The worst of it was his back wasn't directly touchimg the floor fully meaning one slip and he could have fell right on his cranium on a tiled floor with full force.... It was pure violent physical abuse and it was in broad daylight in a large shopping Mall.....

"that kid's going to grow up hating women."


There is no vacuum. Abusers often become abusive themselves.
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#14874572
A man who believes that "me too hysteria is a pretext for women to take power and money away from men", he is insecure. Anyone can be powerful. Power can be taken away for any reason...a guy loses an election, a woman gets terminally ill and has to resign from her executive role in a corporation, a leader is killed by an enemy faction and so on. Power is not a static thing, it can be taken away and it is not an unchangeable fact.

Power is earned. Those in power worked to get to their positions of power. Why do men need ALL the power? Will that make them happier or sleep better at night?
#14874573
colliric wrote:I'd put a billion bucks on your husband never having been the victim of an abusive violent woman in his childhood given he is presumably younger than most men of that baby boomer generation.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nuns ... -bd3zktvx7

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-gla ... t-41273549

This happened everywhere to some degree in Catholic orphanages and Catholic Schools..... And in most other schools too.

To Baby Boomers. The generation that the man whom attacked you was from.

These were all Women abusers. Women tend to abuse with physical violence over sexual violence.

There is no vacuum. Abusers often become abusive themselves.


No, Colliric. My husband grew up in a very bad drug infested ghetto with violence, gangs and all kinds of crap. He always made excellent choices. His mother was from another generation. Old Fashioned Boricua woman from a central rural town called Utuado. She moved to San Juan. She was a hotel maid for a small hotel. She was a black woman or mulatta and good looking. She worked hard for low wages and raised my husband with very old fashioned Puerto Rican values. She emphasized things like manners, helping the older folks for free in the barrio, she was Roman Catholic but Caribbean style. Santeria part of it too. She was also a woman who kept her house clean as can be and she was very poor. She had little crochet doilies all over the house. Embroidered her own towels and had porcelain figurines in her china cabinet. Cheap plastic red vinyl furnishing. Picture of saints and the last supper on the wall. And she never got on the dole or public assistance. Proud of working for a living and not depending on government handouts. She was strict as hell with my husband. He had to be home before dark every night. She chained smoked and drank very dark coffee full of caffeine named puya coffee. Married two husbands. The first one was a gambler and became a womanizing man, she divorced him. The second one was a good man who was a bolitero he was my husband's father. They divorced because she would work doing other people's laundry and cleaning houses and her husband eventually started drining and spending his money on drink and gambling. It got so bad he gambled the house away and they were homeless. Had to move in with relatives. She divorced him then. She then did the rest of raising my husband on her own. By herself. Though my husaband always loved his father.

Old fashioned Puerto Rican mothers who were born in the early 1930's? They use physical punishment on their kid. No, 'stop talking to me like that'. They are not Anglos by any means. She loved my husband dearly, but she was tough with him because she knew that the barrio was dangerous and if her son made bad choices? He would wind up dead or in some illegal activity in jail or shot in some drug point corner. She was strict as hell. But taught him by example. She did what she said she would do. Was consistent with discipline and never tolerated my husband disrespecting women ever.

When she died in 1985--she was only in her fifties. Too many cigarettes, overwork, and stress. My husband found out finally that he was adopted. Never was her 'natural' biological son. She had tried to have kids for years....but lost them all in the first trimester. A defective uterus or something like that. He never was told he was adopted. Both his parents told him the reason he was white looking and tall and did not look like either parent was because he took after a long lost Uncle in the mountain town...or some such lie. The truth? That we found out much later? He was illegally adopted. His biological mother never signed adoption papers and just took off from the hospital without signing the papers for adoption as was agreed upon. Some relatives of the adoptive father of my husband named Virginia and Angel, faked some heart attack and the maternity nurses went to save Angel while Virginia snatched my husband out of the hospital bassinet and fled out the back door of the Hospital in San Juan. 1960 Puerto Rico. His mother never trusted fully that his biological mother would not come back for him so she never said anything about him not being her biological child but an adopted baby. For her? My husband was her child. Period.

He did not find out he was not their biological child til both parents were dead and he was 25 years old and married to me and I told him, "We are going to the states. Got to get a copy of your birth certificate. " He tried and the search came up with 'negative' you don't exist result.

Why am I telling you this? My husband had every excuse to become some kind of a criminal or a man with problems. What I love and still love about my husband that my husband can have the worst circumstances in the world and yet he makes excellent choices with his life. He studied, finished high school, his high school was a performing arts school, studied acting, theater, dance, music, and poetry and learned to play the piano. He is a lover of classical music. He wrote great poetry. He also went to the university and did not disappoint his hard working mother and graduated from a the university. A year and a half after he graduated his mother died. He was devastated. Credited her the kind of man he became in life. That humble, hard working, prideful and beautiful old fashioned Puerto Rican woman who was a hotel maid and housekeeper.

In that barrio that was a very hard barrio in Santurce, he made very important choices. He did not smoke, drink, do drugs, or drop out of school. He worked a lot part time taking any job he could get to support his mother. Would help her finish her shift at the hotel if she was tired.

He practiced sports, went dancing, did yoga, meditation, walked on the beach, half the city knew him. He cared about a lot of people. He was a great man then and a great man now. He had a fine character. Never believed women were inferior. He thought he was black since his mother was African looking Puerto Rican woman, even though he looked very tall and white like. Lol. No one questions that shit in an island like PR because most of us are mixed race people and people there have kids being born with every imaginable skin tone to parents who might look white, black or indian or mixed. No one pays attention to that shit in poor barrios in San Juan. So? He was not a racist or a sexist. Not his character. He just was a man who always chose to do the right thing. And conducted himself with dignity and respect. And he did not like snobs, class conscious discriminators, racists, sexists and UNJUST behavior. All his life? He is just down to his last cell.

That is the kind of man I respect. Equality believers, justice believers, poor people who struggle and work their asses off for a formal education. Arstistic, and great.

Not assholes, not rapists and not elitist fools who think they own the world and own women like chattel. Those are not for me! Unjust men are not for me!
#14874576
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This is the position I saw a woman holding her young male child in recently.

Except she was holding him by the legs, above a tiled surface with his head cm from touching it, walking forward and screaming at him all at the same time.....

Which leads one to believe she has probably got as much experience in this position as The Undertaker does.....

Immediate thought after my shock at seeing a woman almost piledriver her own child. "Call the cops on her.... Oh wait nothing will happen to her.... She'll just deny it, it was near the dunny so no CCTV either"...

So stunned all I could do was stand there glaring at her and feel sorry the child was gonna have memories about his main female role model like that.
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#14874587
skinster wrote::lol:


That child is going to grow up hating women and maybe become an abuser himself. That's a memory his mother has unknowingly gifted to him and everyone in that shopping centre who saw it.

When he grows up and learns what a tiled floor surface can do to the human skull of a child he's going to think "My mum was screaming at me while nearly killing me in a shopping centre in front of others".

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parent ... 344c0c5de6

Abusive mums extra abusive to their male child breed abusive men with memories of the abusive mother. Or in the case of earlier generations abusive Nuns or other female figures meant to be looking after them for the mother.
#14874595
@colliric are you married? Did your mother love you? I ask because your images of women abusing their kids is out of control.

Colliric you need to marry some woman that respects you and can listen to your stories about abusive horrible women and she is the opposite and kisses on you and adores you....and you are a man transformed. From women abuse everyone....to......She loves me.....the greatest woman in the world. My life is great.

Love is in the air....ta ra ta ra....love is in the air.

Get some amor por ti, amor por ti. Amor....por ti.

;)
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