- 29 Dec 2017 15:56
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Well you have a point that American media has been engaged in heavy propaganda for quite some time. It used to be much more subtle before identity politics. 24 was obviously to condition Americans to accept a black president, as were shows like Madam Secretary to get Americans to accept a woman president--the #1 reason I find stuff like Star Wars and Mad Max tragically funny now, as their original storylines have been corrupted beyond recognition to serve a different purpose. As for the Obama era movies, I thought Lincoln was a bit on the boring side, but it did illustrate that the argument of equality before the law prevailed over the notion of equality in fact. I didn't see 12 Years a Slave, as I just figured it for more propaganda. Django Unchained I thought was silliness--a bit more of Quintin Tarantino's revenge porn. The Hateful Eight was even worse.
It is, but sometimes the timing fails because the underlying political events don't break their way. That's why I find things like Star Wars tragically funny, because it has all-female heros. Han Solo is now dead from the previous release. Luke Skywalker is somewhat bitter. Heck, Mark Hammill, who plays Luke Skywalker, openly says that he hates what has been done to his character. However, Hammill signed on before Star Wars was sold to Disney and turned into pro-Hillary Clinton propaganda.
Not directly out of Hollywood. However, I think something like that could be made in a streaming channel as the viewing market is fragmenting.
Well, Trump did just that. This is why I say Trump's victory is so momentous. Trump's victory isn't just political, it is cultural. This is why I express apathy and disinterest to the political left at their sturm und drang outrage at neo-Nazis. If Christianity is so bad, as the political left constantly bashes them, why should someone have a Christian sense of compassion for the victims of Nazism if one isn't the target of Nazism's hatred? Why should Christians abandon Christianity and adopt a sterilized socialist theft of Christian ideals they call "humanism"? Heck, the neo-Nazis didn't even start the violence in Charlottesville. They had two previous protests in which they were peaceful. The political class of Virginia decided to allow BLM/Antifa and a few other groups to confront the neo-Nazis without arresting them. In the second protest, 22 BLM/Antifa etc. folks were arrested. The third time is a charm. The establishment got the violence they were looking for, but they didn't get the whole of the American people condemning the political right on their behalf. That is why I also brought up the point in the new PoFo neo-Nazi thread that there is no news over a year later whether Micah Xavier Johnson was ever charged with any crime for killing six Dallas police officers. It's a strangely quiet silence we see from the left when their own actors do far worse, and there is no public record of the perpetrator having been charged with a crime for the murder of six police officers and grave injury to nine other people with a firearm.
I've heard a lot of the criticism of Dunkirk/Our Darkest Hour is a reflection on Brexit sentiments, as it doesn't address the immigration and unemployment backlash that led to Brexit. I do think it becomes a bit boring, and Millennials really don't go in for that stuff.
Yeah, the idea that WWII was a fight against racism is utterly absurd. I don't think Hitler's thinking was all that precise on race. To read Mein Kampf, Hitler was frustrated by the Jews non-assimilation; political, economic and propaganda conspiracies; and the apathy of Germans toward the Kulturkampf.
Well, that's part of it. However, it is also true that most whites--the overwhelming majority of white Americans--did not own slaves. 20th Century white America had many immigrants from places like Italy, Prussia, Poland, etc. that had nothing to do with 19th Century America and slavery, or Jim Crow for that matter. You could argue that the Scots-Irish that settled in the South were "racist," but they did not have the money to own slaves. They were poor themselves, and were exploited under indentured servitude. More Irish died digging the Ponchartrain canal than blacks, because Irish indentures were cheaper than black slaves. That's the type of history that the left doesn't want to talk about as it abandoned economics for identity politics.
You have a point. I think the political left re-designed itself to be defined by permanent conflict, so there is no opportunity for a sense of optimistic solidarity or light-heartedness as you point out. I think a lot of the 80's stuff was propaganda too in the pro-Reagan/Thatcher anti-Soviet era, but everything was given a happier spin. A lot of the recycle/retread stuff for feminism and multiculturalism is sort of a left wing rewind and do-over. The Ghostbusters as womem lacks the authenticity of the original.
Right. Chivalry as a softening of male harshness is a much more worthwhile pursuit. Insisting on women being able to wear flesh revealing clothing, taunt men with their sexuality, and then shame men for responding in kind is an utterly absurd way to run a society.
Three political predictions for 2018:
1. Continued Revelation of Corruption among Anti-Trump Forces: Since at least the release of Clinton Cash (2015), I've thought that there was much more significant behind-the-scenes opposition to Hillary Clinton. At first, I suspected Mitt Romney of bankrolling Clinton Cash, but I have a hard time believing it was just him. There have been too many revelations. Trump was much more fortuitous than could be believed. The Republican Establishment having failed to repeal most of ObamaCare after unanimously voting to repeal it numerous times illustrates that the Establishment is utterly corrupt and opposed to the will of the American people. The DNC and Hillary campaign coordinating with the media and the FBI shows a level of corruption that is deeper than even the Wikileaks email dump revealed. Comey, Mueller, Rosenstein, McCabe, Strzok, Ohr, Fusion GPS, MI-6 operatives, etc. It's just too much. They didn't think Hillary was going to lose. How does Nataliya Veselnitskaya get refused a visa only to get immigration parole from high up in the Department of Justice (Loretta Lynch knew, in my opinion) to provide legal defense services only to end up talking with Fusion GPS people both before and after she met with Donald Trump Jr. in a meeting that was proposed and organized by pro-Hillary people on false pretenses? How is it that the same Fusion GPS contracted with (former) MI-6 agent, Steele, to craft a bogus anti-Trump dossier that was very likely used by the FBI as a basis for spying on the Trump campaign? How is it that Strzok was the person who redacted criminal language from the Hillary Clinton case, but was the person to interview General Flynn under oath about a meeting for which he had a verbatim transcript?
2. Trump will continue to co-opt working class Democrats: Trump's next gambit is likely going to be an infrastructure bill. Gov. Cuomo lambasted the Republicans for launching an economic civil war with their tax reform package. I don't disagree with Cuomo's rhetoric, but would note that the Democrats did the same thing with ObamaCare on a ruthlessly partisan basis. However, most Americans agree that our infrastructure needs repair and working class Democrats are the ones that will likely be doing the work; and, blue states will need a chunk of the money. The Democrats opposing infrastructure repairs nationwide will struggle politically.
3. Blue state Dems will try to gain House seats: Democrats are livid at the limitations of SALT from the income tax law. They will try to target Republican seats in blue states to capitalize on their resentment, but this will fail too and it will not be intuitive to them as to why it will fail. The Republicans have limited SALT to $10,000. That even hurts me a little bit, but I will easily make up for that in the stock market. They also limited mortgage deductions to $750k mortgages. In other words, the anti-SALT provisions are basically knifing wealthy blue state Democrats right in the gut. Even conservatives like Rush Limbaugh aren't happy about it, and he lives in Red state Florida with no income tax. However, the issue is that it will not adversely affect the working and middle classes at all. It will be the rich in Blue states that are getting fucked. People that make, say $800k a year and live in $3M houses will be getting hit. They are mostly in places like the Bosh-Wash corridor, California and Washington State. They will howl in the media, but blue collar Democrats will be scratching their heads, because it isn't hurting them at all and is probably helping them.
Victorious Spolia wrote:Lincoln, 12 Years A Slave, Django Unchained, etc..?
Well you have a point that American media has been engaged in heavy propaganda for quite some time. It used to be much more subtle before identity politics. 24 was obviously to condition Americans to accept a black president, as were shows like Madam Secretary to get Americans to accept a woman president--the #1 reason I find stuff like Star Wars and Mad Max tragically funny now, as their original storylines have been corrupted beyond recognition to serve a different purpose. As for the Obama era movies, I thought Lincoln was a bit on the boring side, but it did illustrate that the argument of equality before the law prevailed over the notion of equality in fact. I didn't see 12 Years a Slave, as I just figured it for more propaganda. Django Unchained I thought was silliness--a bit more of Quintin Tarantino's revenge porn. The Hateful Eight was even worse.
Victorious Spolia wrote:All propaganda and timing of release is central.
It is, but sometimes the timing fails because the underlying political events don't break their way. That's why I find things like Star Wars tragically funny, because it has all-female heros. Han Solo is now dead from the previous release. Luke Skywalker is somewhat bitter. Heck, Mark Hammill, who plays Luke Skywalker, openly says that he hates what has been done to his character. However, Hammill signed on before Star Wars was sold to Disney and turned into pro-Hillary Clinton propaganda.
Victorious Spolia wrote:You could not make a balanced civil war movie now that showed any sympathy to the South, like Gods and Generals, in today's political climate.
Not directly out of Hollywood. However, I think something like that could be made in a streaming channel as the viewing market is fragmenting.
Victorious Spolia wrote:You could not even point out the fact that some of the right-wingers at the Charlottesville protest were good people and were not all KKK or Neo-Nazis without drawing ire and condemnation (many who showed up were tea-party militia-types, so WTF?).'
Well, Trump did just that. This is why I say Trump's victory is so momentous. Trump's victory isn't just political, it is cultural. This is why I express apathy and disinterest to the political left at their sturm und drang outrage at neo-Nazis. If Christianity is so bad, as the political left constantly bashes them, why should someone have a Christian sense of compassion for the victims of Nazism if one isn't the target of Nazism's hatred? Why should Christians abandon Christianity and adopt a sterilized socialist theft of Christian ideals they call "humanism"? Heck, the neo-Nazis didn't even start the violence in Charlottesville. They had two previous protests in which they were peaceful. The political class of Virginia decided to allow BLM/Antifa and a few other groups to confront the neo-Nazis without arresting them. In the second protest, 22 BLM/Antifa etc. folks were arrested. The third time is a charm. The establishment got the violence they were looking for, but they didn't get the whole of the American people condemning the political right on their behalf. That is why I also brought up the point in the new PoFo neo-Nazi thread that there is no news over a year later whether Micah Xavier Johnson was ever charged with any crime for killing six Dallas police officers. It's a strangely quiet silence we see from the left when their own actors do far worse, and there is no public record of the perpetrator having been charged with a crime for the murder of six police officers and grave injury to nine other people with a firearm.
Victorious Spolia wrote:The WWII and anti-nazi stuff is also going to get hit really hard, Imperium, Dunkirk, Inglorious Bastards, Denial, Our Darkest Hour, etc, etc, etc.
I've heard a lot of the criticism of Dunkirk/Our Darkest Hour is a reflection on Brexit sentiments, as it doesn't address the immigration and unemployment backlash that led to Brexit. I do think it becomes a bit boring, and Millennials really don't go in for that stuff.
Victorious Spolia wrote:The media cartels are REALLY concerned about white nationalism and will press hard the myth of a common history of a unified and progressive-thinking America fighting against EVIL RACIST BOOGEYMAN in Germany and the American South. Its all propaganda and history is rarely so clean and clear-cut.
Yeah, the idea that WWII was a fight against racism is utterly absurd. I don't think Hitler's thinking was all that precise on race. To read Mein Kampf, Hitler was frustrated by the Jews non-assimilation; political, economic and propaganda conspiracies; and the apathy of Germans toward the Kulturkampf.
Victorious Spolia wrote:Whites are tired of being lectured about how racist they are in such historical films which is the inverse phenomena of the success of the civil war and WWII genres mentioned above, which serves to satisfy both white guilt and allow a sense of "See! we can't be racist! we freed the slaves and saved the Jews after all!"
Well, that's part of it. However, it is also true that most whites--the overwhelming majority of white Americans--did not own slaves. 20th Century white America had many immigrants from places like Italy, Prussia, Poland, etc. that had nothing to do with 19th Century America and slavery, or Jim Crow for that matter. You could argue that the Scots-Irish that settled in the South were "racist," but they did not have the money to own slaves. They were poor themselves, and were exploited under indentured servitude. More Irish died digging the Ponchartrain canal than blacks, because Irish indentures were cheaper than black slaves. That's the type of history that the left doesn't want to talk about as it abandoned economics for identity politics.
Victorious Spolia wrote:Sure, but I think the "aspect" of the 80s that is going to be overdone will be the "good-feels" stuff pertaining to growing up in that era as a kid or a teenager. Its a take-you-out-of-present-reality kinda thing. Millennials would rather go nostalgic than deal with the other shitty stuff being produced these days or to deal with their generally unsuccessful lives, they long for the 80s and early 90s sense of prosperity, homogeneity, and freedom. Guardians of the Galaxy was partly successful because millennial parents were in love with the retro themes in the film. If that light-hearted-nostaglia was not there, those films would not have been successful. Hell, if Guardians 2 did not have the old-school soundtrack, it would have bombed in the box-office, you can hang your hat on that.
You have a point. I think the political left re-designed itself to be defined by permanent conflict, so there is no opportunity for a sense of optimistic solidarity or light-heartedness as you point out. I think a lot of the 80's stuff was propaganda too in the pro-Reagan/Thatcher anti-Soviet era, but everything was given a happier spin. A lot of the recycle/retread stuff for feminism and multiculturalism is sort of a left wing rewind and do-over. The Ghostbusters as womem lacks the authenticity of the original.
Victorious Spolia wrote:Whether we like that or not, the problem with Fury Road was not that it wasn't cool in its graphics and chase-scenes, the problem was that it wasn't believable anymore, socially speaking.
Right. Chivalry as a softening of male harshness is a much more worthwhile pursuit. Insisting on women being able to wear flesh revealing clothing, taunt men with their sexuality, and then shame men for responding in kind is an utterly absurd way to run a society.
Three political predictions for 2018:
1. Continued Revelation of Corruption among Anti-Trump Forces: Since at least the release of Clinton Cash (2015), I've thought that there was much more significant behind-the-scenes opposition to Hillary Clinton. At first, I suspected Mitt Romney of bankrolling Clinton Cash, but I have a hard time believing it was just him. There have been too many revelations. Trump was much more fortuitous than could be believed. The Republican Establishment having failed to repeal most of ObamaCare after unanimously voting to repeal it numerous times illustrates that the Establishment is utterly corrupt and opposed to the will of the American people. The DNC and Hillary campaign coordinating with the media and the FBI shows a level of corruption that is deeper than even the Wikileaks email dump revealed. Comey, Mueller, Rosenstein, McCabe, Strzok, Ohr, Fusion GPS, MI-6 operatives, etc. It's just too much. They didn't think Hillary was going to lose. How does Nataliya Veselnitskaya get refused a visa only to get immigration parole from high up in the Department of Justice (Loretta Lynch knew, in my opinion) to provide legal defense services only to end up talking with Fusion GPS people both before and after she met with Donald Trump Jr. in a meeting that was proposed and organized by pro-Hillary people on false pretenses? How is it that the same Fusion GPS contracted with (former) MI-6 agent, Steele, to craft a bogus anti-Trump dossier that was very likely used by the FBI as a basis for spying on the Trump campaign? How is it that Strzok was the person who redacted criminal language from the Hillary Clinton case, but was the person to interview General Flynn under oath about a meeting for which he had a verbatim transcript?
2. Trump will continue to co-opt working class Democrats: Trump's next gambit is likely going to be an infrastructure bill. Gov. Cuomo lambasted the Republicans for launching an economic civil war with their tax reform package. I don't disagree with Cuomo's rhetoric, but would note that the Democrats did the same thing with ObamaCare on a ruthlessly partisan basis. However, most Americans agree that our infrastructure needs repair and working class Democrats are the ones that will likely be doing the work; and, blue states will need a chunk of the money. The Democrats opposing infrastructure repairs nationwide will struggle politically.
3. Blue state Dems will try to gain House seats: Democrats are livid at the limitations of SALT from the income tax law. They will try to target Republican seats in blue states to capitalize on their resentment, but this will fail too and it will not be intuitive to them as to why it will fail. The Republicans have limited SALT to $10,000. That even hurts me a little bit, but I will easily make up for that in the stock market. They also limited mortgage deductions to $750k mortgages. In other words, the anti-SALT provisions are basically knifing wealthy blue state Democrats right in the gut. Even conservatives like Rush Limbaugh aren't happy about it, and he lives in Red state Florida with no income tax. However, the issue is that it will not adversely affect the working and middle classes at all. It will be the rich in Blue states that are getting fucked. People that make, say $800k a year and live in $3M houses will be getting hit. They are mostly in places like the Bosh-Wash corridor, California and Washington State. They will howl in the media, but blue collar Democrats will be scratching their heads, because it isn't hurting them at all and is probably helping them.
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