[foxdemon]

@skinster In the link I provide mentioned Pilger did the forwardfor Chomsky’s book. Presumably that indicates support.

I know Chomsky did. He also supported the war on Syria. He can be ignored on that stuff. Pilger though, I don't recall that nor did I read about him doing so in a book I read on Libya, which included some of the liberals from your link who supported the destruction on Libya. Do you have anything to prove Pilger supported war on Libya?

The first "Black" president, along with NATO, are responsible for the destruction of Libya. There were no slave markets in Libya prior to this destruction and there wouldn't have been if Gaddafi wasn't removed from power, since he opposed racism. Of course the West is responsible for slavery in Libya.

Well, Obama was the first black president. He was popular but whether or not he was effective...posterity will decide.

I emphatically disagree with your blame of the West. No one but Muslim slavers decided to enslave people. If we follow your logic to it’s grizzly conclusion, then we are back to white man’s burden. Muslims can’t help but enslave people therefore the West should take responsibility. Right? And you accuse me of being racist!!!

The people claiming asylum in Israel are likely being sent back to their deaths, something Israel will be responsible for, since it'll be doing the deporting.

Please provide evidence

That's not honesty, that's bullshit. Except the part about wanting Israel to end in its current form, since racism sucks. Only racists support it, like you.

The truth hurts most those who have put their faith in a lie.

Now, Please be honest and admit you would like to see Israel destroyed and Israelis massacred.

[noir]

David Duke, the leader of American Nazis, BDS activist and former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, reads Nazi owned Haaretz. The mouthpiece of this campigne

[noir]

Pallywood in working. The American Nazi leader and former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, David Duke, shared a link of a fellow white supremacist, Cameron Padgett

Just as motley crew of Arabs and Muslims from all over the Islamic world were dubbed as "indigenous Palestinians" for Taqqya (deception) propose, so today they brand the newly come African welfare seekers who did nothing whstsoever (beside some plates washing in restraunts) as hard working Blacks who literally "build the country". Finally, there are blacks that the KKK support

[skinster]

@skinster In the link I provide mentioned Pilger did the forwardfor Chomsky’s book. Presumably that indicates support.

In the link in the comments section, one commentator claimed Pilger is quoted on the cover of a Chomsky book, referring to him as a truth teller or something like that. It didn't say anything about Pilger supporting the war on Libya and I asked you to provide evidence of that because that claim seems inconsistent with Pilger's usual work which is negative about NATO/US wars. Pilger surely is a fan of Chomsky in the same way I am, but I'm fairly certain Pilger disagrees with Chomsky's positions on Libya (and Syria), just like I do.

Well, Obama was the first black president. He was popular but whether or not he was effective...posterity will decide.

He certainly was effective:
https://www.stpete4peace.org/obama-fact-sheet

I emphatically disagree with your blame of the West. No one but Muslim slavers decided to enslave people.

The West is responsible for creating the conditions that allow trading in human bodies, that allow slavery. This would not have taken place if the West didn't impose regime change on Libya. Like ISIS would not be a thing if the West didn't impose regime change in Iraq (and Syria). Sure, the sick individuals on the ground are responsible too, but they couldn't be in Libya as they are now if Libya wasn't destroyed by the West 6 years ago.

Please provide evidence

Firstly, thanks for finally getting on the actual topic of this thread. I've posted a number of articles ITT about African refugees being sent to their deaths. These deportations are the controversy they are because of this reason.

The truth hurts most those who have put their faith in a lie.

Agreed.

Now, Please be honest and admit you would like to see Israel destroyed and Israelis massacred.

Calling for equality amongst all the people in the land = wanting Israelis massacred? If you were honest about anything, you would be able to see who's doing the actual massacring in the land. 3 took place just in the last decade where thousands were killed in the concentration camp they live in. The dead and wounded were Palestinians and due to your racism, you might have forgot. But you have everything backwards, it's Israelis doing the vast majority of the killing since they have an actual military and all the weapons the billions Israel gets by the US to spend on weapons and the occupation can buy. Killing Palestinians is a pastime for Israelis.

on topic:

[noir]

Jihadists are very passionate about the subject.

Al Jazeera: "Every migrant will have free plane ticket and 3,500 dollars", which is more than what the Europeans give to their deportees. They enter illegally and terrorising the local neighborhoods.

"Deporting to their death". This is Ruanda. Israel is in fucking Middle East.

[noir]

"Ruanda is safer than Israel".

[Suntzu]

"Ruanda is safer than Israel".

Sure it is! Life expectancy at birth: Rwanda 64.3 years, Israel 82.5 years.

[noir]

Ha ha. Still there is no war with Arabs and Islamic terror there.

[noir]

Few years ago, when African (and Muslims!) migrants settled in Arab viliage in Israel proper (they called themselves Palestinians), the Arab inhabitants kicked them out. Ethnic cleansing is only right when Muslims are doing it

https://www.timesofisrael.com/sudanese- ... li-village




Following violence, Sudanese leave Arab Israeli town en masse
About 100 Sudanese pack up and leave Kfar Manda in northern Israel
By GEORGE POTTER
14 June 2012, 10:29 pm

About a hundred Sudanese migrants living in the Arab Israeli town of Kfar Manda moved elsewhere on Wednesday following a surge in tensions with locals, Haaretz reported.

The Sudanese were said to have left by agreement after altercations broke out between them and the local population.

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According to the report, three Sudanese were reported arrested earlier this week after locals complained about noise coming from an adjacent apartment and violent altercations broke out between dozens of locals and African migrants.

On Wednesday, 15 people were injured when a scuffle broke out between the migrants and locals, with townsfolk reportedly chanting “clear out the foreigners,” according to Ynet news.


https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,734 ... 321,00.htm


15 hurt in brawl between Africans, Kfar Manda residents
Local says Sudanese 'pose threat,' must be banished from Lower Galilee village at once
Hassan Shaalan|Published: 06.14.12 , 09:38
Fifteen people sustained light injuries overnight Thursday during a mass brawl between Sudanese migrants and residents of Kfar Manda in the Lower Galilee.

Three of the wounded were evacuated to a hospital in Nazareth, while the rest were treated at the scene.

Large police forces that were dispatched to the scene were forced to use tear gas to break up the fight. Two Kfar Manda residents and a Sudanese migrant were arrested.

A police official told Ynet the scuffle erupted because some Kfar Manda residents "were not pleased" with the presence of Sudanese migrants in the village.

Following the brawl, hundreds of locals arrived at the scene and demanded that the migrants be removed from the village.


Maleq Sa'adi, who works at a local clinic, said those who were involved in the brawl "used sticks and stones. Our team had a very hard time evacuating the wounded, and locals also hurled stones at a Magen David Adom ambulance and shattered its windshield."

Kfar Manda resident Amjad Zidan said, "This is not the first time locals fight with Sudanese migrants. They must be banished from the village immediately, because they pose a danger to its residents."

[skinster]

[pugsville]

Just as motley crew of Arabs and Muslims from all over the Islamic world were dubbed as "indigenous Palestinians" for Taqqya (deception) propose,

Simply untrue.

Whats the actual evidence for this claim?.

[skinster]

I wouldn't hold your breath on that.

The ethical hollowness of Israel's liberals
Human rights abuses by their government have so outraged prominent liberal Israelis that, in an unprecedented move, they have launched a campaign of civil disobedience.

Many hundreds have responded to a call by rabbis, pledging to hide victims in their own homes to protect them from Israel's security services.

With the mood rapidly turning sour, academics and professionals, including doctors, pilots, school principals and lawyers have refused to collude in Israel's policy of oppression.

This month a raft of respected literary figures, including Amos Oz and David Grossman, reminded Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that it was imperative to "act morally, humanely and with compassion worthy of the Jewish people. … Otherwise, we will have no reason to exist."

Outside Israel, Jewish organisations have uncharacteristically sounded the alarm as well, warning that Israel's actions "betray the core values that we, as Jews, share".

But none of this outpouring of moral concern has been voiced on behalf of Palestinians. Instead the consciences of Israeli liberals have been pricked by the exceptional plight of some 40,000 African asylum seekers, mainly from Sudan and Eritrea.

The Israeli government initiated a programme this month to expel these refugees, who gained sanctuary in Israel from war zones before Israel managed to complete a fence across the Sinai in 2013 keeping them out.

The asylum seekers are now being offered a "choice" between being deported back to Africa, on the one hand, with the attendant dangers of persecution, torture and possible death, and indefinite imprisonment in Israel on the other.

The destination country, Rwanda, is being paid $5,000 for each asylum seeker it accepts. But reports show that Rwanda is reneging on promises to give them residency status, forcing the refugees either to return to the regions from which they originally fled or make a perilous sea crossing to Europe.

Their treatment has indeed been shocking and is in flagrant violation of the international conventions on refugees' rights Israel has ratified.

In an indication of how little official sympathy there is for the refugees, only 10 have been awarded asylum – a minuscule fraction of applicants. That compares with more than 80 per cent of Sudanese and Eritreans gaining refugee status in many European countries.

Meanwhile, Israeli government ministers have repeatedly incited against the Africans, calling them a "cancer" and a "sanitation hazard," which in turn has fuelled public hate campaigns and a lynch-mob mentality.

It is understandable why liberal Israelis would feel deep shame at this behaviour. The explicit rationale behind Israel's creation, after all, was as a sanctuary for Jewish refugees from rampant race hatred and persecution in Europe that culminated in the Holocaust.

Israel often describes itself as a country of refugees. The conventions Israel is flouting were drafted precisely out of recognition of the plight of Jews fleeing Europe.

The backlash in Israel has been led by religious leaders. Rabbis have urged Israelis to shame the government by promising to hide the Africans in their cellars and attics to foil the deportations.

It is intended to echo the way Europeans once bravely tried to save Jews from the Nazis – most famously in the case of child diarist Anne Frank, who later perished in a concentration camp.

Pilots for Israel's national carrier El Al and airport staff have publicly refused to fly the asylum seekers back into danger, joining in the public defiance shown by psychologists, lawyers, professors and many others.

A group of 350 doctors, including heads of hospital departments, this week said they were speaking out because the deportations would do "harm among the most severe known to humanity".

And, in a move that was a public relations catastrophe for Netanyahu and his cabinet, Holocaust survivors and their organisations loudly denounced the policy this week too. They quoted Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel's address to the UN in 2005: "Will the world ever learn?"

The shock and indignation from liberal Israelis – while welcome and gratifying – has nonetheless exposed the ethical hollowness at the heart of this unprecedented campaign of civil resistance.

It looks suspiciously like liberal Israelis are prepared to stand in solidarity with asylum seekers only because it is a relatively easy generosity – an act of humanitarianism they dare not extend to Palestinians.

Many Palestinians are also refugees, spawned by Israel's creation as a self-proclaimed Jewish state on their homeland and by the campaign of ethnic cleansing in 1948 that enabled it – what Palestinians term their Nakba, or Catastrophe.

Israel refused to allow these Palestinians to return home. Many millions have lived for decades in abject conditions in refugee camps across the Middle East.

Palestinians in the occupied territories, meanwhile, face appalling human rights abuses – in their case not via a third party in Africa, but directly from the state of Israel.

Where has been the solidarity, the campaigns of civil disobedience on behalf of these Palestinians after 70 years of suffering? Only a tiny number of far-left Israelis – mostly anarchists - have ever stood alongside Palestinians.

They have joined Palestinians, for example, on demonstrations in West Bank farming communities like Bilin and Nabi Saleh, facing down armed and often violent Israeli soldiers, as they struggle against the theft of their lands to feed the expansion of Jewish settlements.

In fact, far from showing solidarity with Palestinians, many liberal Israelis have been demanding ever harsher treatment.

The overwhelming majority of Israelis celebrated the recent imprisonment of Ahed Tamimi, the 16-year-old child from Nabi Saleh who slapped a soldier after he had invaded her home. Moments earlier his unit had shot her 15-year-old cousin in the face, after he peeked over a wall.

Palestinian children throwing stones now face up to 20 years in jail, and their parents risk being fired from their jobs. Two-thirds of Palestinian children arrested by Israeli security services report being beaten or tortured.

But Ahed and these other children are not Palestinian Anne Franks in the eyes of liberal Israelis. They are "terrorists".

The wave of indignation at the asylum seekers' predicament looks suspiciously like Israel's "Trump moment," echoing the recent outpouring of rage from American liberals at the easy hate-figure of US President Donald Trump.

These same Americans stood silent as Trump's predecessors waged aggressive wars around the globe and tore up international law with programmes of extra-judcial executions, rendition and torture.

Similarly, liberal Israelis appear to be engaging in a kind of displacement activity: focusing on one grave but isolated outrage to avoid dealing with a far larger, far longer-running one they are personally implicated in.

Underscoring this paradox, Rabbis for Human Rights has called on the kibbutz and moshav agricultural communities to offer moral leadership in the campaign to hide African refugees.

These same communities were established over the destroyed homes of Palestinian refugees forced into exile in 1948. These same agricultural communities have barred any of the state's Palestinian citizens – one in five of the population – from living in them. All have remained ethnically "pure".

In their inconsistent moral defence of human rights, liberal Israelis have inadvertently revealed that they are not so far removed from the right-wing government they publicly abhor.

Much of the support for the African asylum seekers, including from Israel's most famous writers, has highlighted now insignificant their numbers are, now that a wall across Sinai blocks further entry by refugees. If all 40,000 were allowed to stay, it is routinely pointed out, they would comprise less than 0.5 percent of Israel's population.

Contrast that with Palestinians. A fifth of Israel's citizens are Palestinian, those Israel failed to expel in 1948. Combined with Palestinians living under belligerent Israeli military rule in the occupied territories – in the Greater Israel Netanyahu is carving out – they comprise half the region's population.

When it comes to Palestinians, liberal Israelis sound little different from Netanyahu's supporters. Both are concerned about maintaining Israel as a fortress Jewish state. Both want walls to keep out non-Jews, whether Palestinians in the occupied territories or refugees from Africa.

Both characterise Palestinians, either Israeli citizens or victims of the occupation, as a "demographic demon" and the Jewish state's "Achille's heel". Both fear a dilution of Israel’s Jewishness.

In short, both Israeli liberals and right-wingers are obsessed with demography – the numbers of Jews versus non-Jews – and with preserving Jewish privilege. Both are laying the groundwork for future outrages against Palestinians and for further incremental waves of ethnic cleansing.

But educated, liberal European Israelis – those who dominate academia and the professions now leading the revolt – can afford to salve their consciences over a population of Africans who will remain small and marginal. These refugees are unlikely to rise above sweeping the streets or cleaning dishes in restaurants in liberal Tel Aviv.

Netanyahu and the right, however, rely on the support of much poorer Israelis, often Jews who immigrated to Israel from Arab countries and face overt discrimination from liberal Israelis.

The right needs constantly to create (non-Jewish) bogeymen to shore up its political power base among them. It has been easy for the right to whip up fears of African refugees as freeloaders and here to "steal our jobs and women".

In a fearmongering tactic reminiscent of those used against Palestinians, Netanyahu warned in 2012 that 60,000 Africans – the number then in Israel – "could become 600,000 and possibly even jeopardise Israel's continued existence as a Jewish democracy".

Netanyahu's government routinely describes the African refugees as "illegal infiltrators" – a much more sinister term than may be apparent to outsiders.

"Infiltrators" are what the Palestinians were called when they tried to return to their homes after their expulsion in 1948. An early Israeli law effectively gave Israeli security officials carte blanche to shoot these "infiltrators".

The government's comparing of African refugees to these Palestinians is intended as a clear form of incitement.

That may have not washed with liberal Israelis, but also it has not opened their eyes to their own hypocrisy. Theirs is a pragmatic humanitarianism, not a principled one.

Is the terrible suffering Israel is now inflicting on African refugees not also the moment for liberal Israelis to appreciate that Palestinians have been enduring similar abuses for seven decades?

Has the time not finally arrived when liberal Israelis need to mount a campaign of civil disobedience on behalf not just of Africans but of Palestinians too?
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/et ... -215598180

[noir]

Another murder by African invader. The police hides its identity to keep the peace in the streets. Hope the deportation will be fast and quickly

The victim is Alan Kay, an immigrant from Britain

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/ ... spx/409654

[noir]

[skinster]

Another murder by African invader. The police hides its identity to keep the peace in the streets. Hope the deportation will be fast and quickly

The victim is Alan Kay, an immigrant from Britain

There is nothing in the one article - I did a google search - by some dodgy website that states this person's murder - if it actually is a real thing - was committed by an asylum seeker or refugee. If you're going to call the likely made-up murderer an "African invader", perhaps you can add that the victim - if he really exists - is a British settler-colonialist, since he was raised and spent almost 70 years in Britain before invading Palestine, according to the dodgy website you linked to.

Back on topic:

Holocaust Survivors Urge Israel Not to Deport 38,000 African Refugees (VIDEO WITHIN)
Dozens of Israeli Holocaust survivors have called on the Jewish state of Israel to forego its plan to deport nearly 40,000 African refugees and asylum seekers starting in March.

In an open letter sent to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday, the 36 signatories implored Israel to cease its plans to deport Africans, citing their own experience as refugees.

"We, who know precisely what it's like to be refugees, to be homeless and bereft of a state that preserves and protects us from violence and suffering, cannot comprehend how a Jewish government can expel refugees and asylum seekers to a journey of suffering, torment and death," the 36 Holocaust survivors wrote.

Israeli daily Hareetz first reported on the letter on Holocaust Remembrance Day.

Netanyahu defended the mass deportations at a weekly cabinet meeting last week.

"We are acting against illegal migrants who come here not as refugees but for work needs," he said. "Israel will continue to offer asylum for genuine refugees and will remove illegal migrants from its midst."

In the past, Netanyahu referred to African asylum seekers in Israel as "infiltrators."

According to the Interior Ministry, there are some 38,000 African migrants and asylum seekers in Israel. Nearly three-quarters are Eritrean, and 20 percent are Sudanese. The vast majority arrived in Israel between 2006 and 2012, when their home nations were afflicted by civil war and famine.

In December, the Israeli government approved a two-year plan to begin deporting the asylum seekers beginning in March.

The government is offering Africans a plane ticket to their country of origin or a third nation and a $3,500 lump-sum payment if they choose to voluntarily leave the country. Those who refuse to leave will be detained indefinitely.

In November, government officials with the Ministry of Public Security said the deportations were necessary “to protect the Jewish and democratic character” of Israel.

Liberal and progressive Jewish groups and hundreds of civil servants criticized Israel's deportation plans.

So far, nearly a thousand pilots, doctors, and rabbis have come out publicly against the deportations. Some have even offered to hide and protect Africans from Israeli deportation forces.

In the open letter, the 36 Holocaust survivors offered their solidarity with the African migrants and said that the Jewish state had an obligation to help those in need.

"Under your leadership, Israel has set itself the goal of reminding the world of the lessons of the Holocaust. So we ask you: Stop this process! Only you have the authority to take the historic decision, and to show the world that the Jewish state will not allow suffering and torture of people under its protection," the group wrote.

“Do the Jewish thing, like [former premier] Menachem Begin, who accepted refugees from the Vietnam War, and gave those asylum seekers life.

“As Jews, whom the world turned its back on in our most difficult time, we have a special obligation not to remain indifferent, and to prevent the expulsion of asylum seekers,” they said. “The state must grant them a safe haven and not send them to their deaths in a foreign country.”
http://www.newsweek.com/holocaust-survi ... ers-793205

[noir]

״racist"

[skinster]

[Hindsite]

The Jews moving to Israel want a safe haven for themselves.
Many seem to think that is being racist.
I think it is exercising their God given right.
Praise the Lord.

[noir]

The Jews moving to Israel want a safe haven for themselves.
Many seem to think that is being racist.
I think it is exercising their God given right.
Praise the Lord.

This is the grand Islamic strategy. To make to western countries "multiculturalists", while on the other hand to keep Dar al Islam free of infidels. Their tactic is to use fashionable "anti racist" speak

[Zagadka]

The Jews moving to Israel want a safe haven for themselves.
Many seem to think that is being racist.
I think it is exercising their God given right.
Praise the Lord.

So... the Mexicans are welcome to resettle their half of America? That is very generous of you.