[skinster]

[noir]

David Duke, former Grand Wizard of KKK loves Africans

[Zionist Nationalist]

can you both stop this twitter spam? maybe just put all of this shit in one thread.....

[skinster]

I'll stop posting twitter posts if noir will, that fair ZN?

[Zionist Nationalist]

Fair

[skinster]

Okay I will refrain for now but if noir starts again, you can't blame me.

[Vyth]

Israel is a Jewish state. If the Jews want it to remain Jewish in character, it would be lunacy for the Israelis to replace the Jewish population with a non-Jewish polulation, even if the population were educated about Jewish culture. They still wouldn't be Jews. It would destroy the Jewish character of Israel and defeat the whole purpose of establishing a Jewish state to begin with. Since Jewishness includes, but is not limited to, a variety of attributes that are racially genetic in character, and these attributes are not randomly distributed throughout the entire human population, but originate in the Middle East and Europe for the most part, it is inevitable that there willl be entire races that are exluded from the category of "Jewish" and therefore should not be allowed to form the majority of the Israeli population; but it is not because they are of a different race per se. It is incidental; their race just happens not to include any Jews. At the same time, there are people racially identical to many Jews but are not Jewish. Race is important to Jewish identity, but only because at some point you have to accept your own ethnic composition if you are to know who you are and what distinguishes you from others. We value what grows out of the 'soil' of race (or ethnicity, or whatever you want to call it), and not race per. Nonetheless, I will not deny that there is a connection between the 'soil' and the sort of life that grows it. It is not racist to point out that Swedes would probably do a very poor job at being Chinese, even if they were taught Chinese culture from infancy. They'd build something different because they are different people. And it is racist against the Chinese to say they are of such little value to the world that they can just be replaced by any foreign population and everything will remain the same. Culture grows out of something deeper in us. And in the aggregate we call that our 'race' or 'ethnic group'. It's a positive thing and we need to stop thinking it is bad to acknowledge it. If you don't care about a person's race but only about his culture, you are holding the person's race in contempt, even if you think you are being 'non-racist'. It's an important aspect of the person that should be affirmed rather than regard as some ugly disease that we must be 'colour-blind' to. It's more 'non-racist' to love the races than to deny them.

But to return to the subject at hand - is the natural desire of Jews to survive 'racist' if in practice they have form a Jewish ethnostate and exclude entire races from it? I'd have to answer 'no' if the word 'racist' is implies an injustice against some particular race. Jews are to be admired for their will to survive as a separate people at all costs. It would be racist to want Jews to hate themselves so much that they don't want to survive or won't do what must be done to survive. If race has to come into play in order for a people to survive, why would you want that people to die? Just beacause of the word 'racist'? It is this word that frightens you so much? Isn't it worse for a race to die than to do something unpleasant but absolutely necessary for it to survive - such as separate themselves from people that threaten their demographic existence? Surely, a race dying is worse than that race doing something controversial because it has to do it in order to live.

This mentality I have never understand. I have always loved all the races, so it is bizarre to hear that people think certain races should't try surviving since that would be 'racist'. Europeans and Israelis shouldn't try to remain the majoritity because then their races would survive - how is that not a form of racism? Why do you want Jews and Euroepans to be weak? I'd much rather see other races strong, and I don't see why certain races should make themselves weak. They should try to survive at any cost, like the Jews.

If all Australian aborigines are excluded from the definition of "Jew", the fact that the two groups happen to be distinguishable on the basis of race is purely incidental, since you can find other groups that are racially identical to Jews yet have nothing to do with Jewishness. So if the Jewish state, in order to continue to exist, must exclude vast numbers of people who happen to be 'non-white' or belong to entire racial groups, it is not because of their race but because their race happens to exclude anyone of Jewish descent.

Does it bother me that Jewish people, in order to be in control of their own poltical destiny, and continue to survive as a distinct ethnic group, must have their own ethno-state? No, I would extend the same right to any people that wants to live. Does it bother me that in order to survive as a distinct group, Jews must form the numerical majority in a country that they can call their own? Am I bothered that people think that wanting to be the majority in order to survive is 'racist'? No, it's just an objective fact of all national life. A harsh fact, but a true one, as the Europeans are beginning to learn. At some point you have to just accept the way the world actually is. If something that we don't want to be true happens to be the only way that a people are going to survive, you're not making the facts go away by moralising what is the only solution. Trying to survive is never an unjustice, even if the people trying to live are pure evil. It's the right of all life. Why would you think people should not try to live when it comes to ethnic groups, or particular groups like Jews and Europeans? I would extend this right even to my worst enemies. Why the hell do you think Europeans should give their countries away to another population? Or that Jews should dismantle the Jewish character of their ethnostate? Why do you hate these races of people?

I would say it is objectively racist (i.e. racist in effect, regardless of subjective intent) to say that a nation or a race should just allow itself to die because wanting to survive or doing what has to be done to survive is now called 'racist' by people that don't want certain races to try surviving. These people want us all to be weak. These people have become so extreme in their so-called 'anti-racism', that they have become inverse racists, and want particular races to lay down and die because wanting to live would be 'racist'. This is how some anti-Semites think about the Jews or the Israelis, and I am increasingly seeing the same 'reasoning' applied to Europeans. All of these races should just stop resisting their own death, beause surviving is now racist for certain groups of people.

You can't just transfer the culture of one population onto another. The ethnic composition of a country matters; people are not interchangeable units. To think you can just swap people around, replacing one group with a completely different group, and nothing important is going to be lost, is not only incredidably stupid but anti-human. It's like saying you can substitute your wife with any random woman and as long as she speaks English it's all the same to me - the person doesn't matter,. There's nothing special about the particular person at all - everyone is interchangeable, and the particular individual contributes nothing special. This is analogous to what we are doing with ethnic groups. The people of any nation can be replaced by the people of any other nation, the people don't matter at all, and no ethnic group contributes anything to its culture, but the culture does everything of itself regardless of the people that carry the culture.

So no, the Israelis are doing nothing wrong for wanting to survive. The fact that survival in their case happens to involve quesitons of ethnicity and race doesn't make it 'racist' (but it is becoming increasingly unclear that that word continues to carry any meaning these days; it is becoming more and more connotative and less denotative with time, making dictionaries of no avail. It is probably about time that we dispense with the word altgether, and start using more accurate expressions for things that we might characterise as 'racist').

[skinster]

Justice Minister: Israel Must Keep Jewish Majority Even at the Expense of Human Rights
Minister Ayelet Shaked addressed the proposed nation-state law, contending that Israel as a Jewish state must administer equal civil but not national rights

Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked said Monday that if not for the fence erected some years ago on the Egyptian border, “We would be seeing here a kind of creeping conquest from Africa.” The fence effectively stopped asylum-seekers from Sudan and Eritrea from entering the country.

In a speech to the Congress on Judaism and Democracy, Shaked also said, “I think that ‘Judaizing the Galilee’ is not an offensive term. We used to talk like that. In recent years we’ve stopped talking like that. I think it’s legitimate without violating the full rights of the Arab residents of Israel.”

The justice minister made the remarks in a wide-ranging speech on the controversy over the Jewish nation-state bill.

She further said, “There is place to maintain a Jewish majority even at the price of violation of rights.” She added, however, that maintaining a Jewish majority in Israel and acting democratically “must be parallel and one must not outweigh the other.”

Regarding the nation-state bill, Shaked said, “I was disturbed at both the position of the state and the reasoning of the justices. The state did not defend the law for national demographic reasons, it claimed only security reasons.” Shaked told the conference that “the state should say that there is place to maintain the Jewish majority even if it violates rights.”

Shaked said she believed Judaism and democracy are values that can coexist. “From a constitutional point of view there is an advantage to democracy and it must be balanced and the Supreme Court should be given another constitutional tool that will also give power to Judaism.”

The purpose of the nation-state bill, she said, was to prevent rulings interpreting the Entry to Israel Law, or a ruling like the one in the Ka’adan case in 2000 that banned discrimination against an Arab family who wanted to move to a small Jewish community that sought to bar them.

“In our laws there are universal values, rights, already enshrined in a very serious way. But the national and the Jewish values are not enshrined. Over the past 20 years, there has been more of a focus on rulings over universal values and less over the Jewish character of the state. This tool [the nation state bill] is a tool that we want to give the court for the future,” said the justice minister.

In response to a question from the interviewer, TV journalist Dana Weiss, on whether the court could not consider the Jewish character of the state without a nation-state law, she said: “It can, but it’s as if you’d say that without the Basic Law on Human Dignity and Liberty the court won’t care about dignity and human rights. It’s different when you have a constitutional tool.”

On the coalition’s intent to keep the word “equality” out of the nation-state bill, Shaked said: “Israel is a Jewish state. It isn’t a state of all its nations. That is, equal rights to all citizens but not equal national rights.” Shaked said the word “equality” was very general and the court could take it “very far,” adding, “There are places where the character of the State of Israel as a Jewish state must be maintained and this sometimes comes at the expense of equality.”

Shaked said the nation-state bill did not deal with the issue of who is a Jew. “Everyone has his own Judaism. In the nation-state bill, when it talks about a Jew, it means the nationality.” Shaked then referred to the Ka’adan ruling and said that if such a case were to come up again or “the argument over whether it’s all right for a Jewish community to, by definition, be only Jewish, I want the answer to be ‘yes, it’s all right.’”

The question of the legality of the Family Unification Law, which prevents the unification of families where one of the couple is Palestinian and one is Arab Israeli, was twice decided at the time by the Supreme Court by one vote, with six justices supporting it and five dissenting. The justices gave precedence to security considerations over the importance of the right to maintain a family, in a case that split the Supreme Court.

In Shaked’s speeches, she often quotes the words of the late Justice Mishael Chesin, who was in the majority opinion that approved the law, in which he said Israel needed to awaken from the dream that it was a utopian state.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/jus ... -1.5811106

[skinster]

The Emmett Till Effect in Israel

Is this justice?

Last Thursday, two Israelis were convicted of brutally beating an African refugee to death, but were spared long prison sentences when the judge agreed to reduce the charges against them from murder to manslaughter and grievous bodily harm, the Israeli daily newspaper Haaretz reported.

In November 2016, 20-year-old Dennis Barshivatz and a 17-year-old who cannot be named under Israeli law beat Babikir Ali Adham-Abdo, a 40-year-old Sudanese asylum seeker, for an hour and a half in front of the city hall of Petach Tikva, a Tel Aviv suburb that is a sister city of Chicago, Ill. Barshivatz will serve a maximum of 10 years in jail and will be eligible for release much earlier. The court has yet to determine sentencing for his teenage accomplice.

The killing of Adham-Abdo has evoked comparisons to the Mississippi murder and mutilation of the Chicago teenager Emmett Till in 1955. Just as American racists attempted to excuse Till’s murder by posthumously accusing the black teen of having flirted with a white woman whose path he had crossed, some Israelis allege that Adham-Abdo had brought on the lethal beating he received when he supposedly sexually harassed a group of Israeli teenage girls at the scene.

In the case of Till, the woman he was accused of flirting with admitted over half a century later that she had fabricated the entire claim, and that Till had never made any advances toward her. The allegations against Adham-Abdo were also revealed to be baseless when CCTV footage of the incident was released. The city hall security camera video clearly showed that Adham-Abdo approached the table where the three teens were sitting, spoke to the group for less than 10 seconds, then turned and walked away. Moments later, his assailants set upon him and began to brutally beat him.

Another parallel between the Adham-Abdo and Emmett Till incidents lay in the grievous injuries wrought to their faces. In both cases, their faces were pummeled so badly that they were unrecognizable. Adham-Abdo’s brother was only able to claim the body for burial once he had identified it based on its missing fingers, which had been severed during murderous clashes in Darfur, from which Adham-Abdo had originally fled to Israel to escape.

“We don’t agree to the penalties,” Adham-Abdo’s cousin Moussa told Haaretz. “We thought there was justice in the Israeli courts, we thought Israel was a state of justice. If the victim had been an Israeli, the outcome would have been different. There’s racism here.”

Sadly, Adham-Abdo was not the first African refugee to be beaten to death by a group of Israelis in a public place in recent years. In October 2015, during a shooting attack at the central bus station in the southern Israeli city of Beersheba, a security guard shot 29-year-old Ertirean refugee Haftom Zarhum under the premise that he was assumed to be one of the terrorists. The bus station’s security footage revealed that Zarhum was clearly unarmed and crawling on the ground like other innocent bystanders, trying to avoid the bullets of the terrorist attackers.

As Zarhum bled out on the ground, Israelis took turns kicking him in the face and slamming chairs and benches down on him, while other bystanders actively prevented medics from reaching him to treat his wounds. In June 2016, a judge ruled that one of the Israelis who slammed a bench down on Zarhum’s head would not be charged. Charges are pending against four other Israelis who participated in the lynching.

The vicious violence against non-Jewish African refugees in Israel follows years in which Israeli political leaders and religious officials regularly whipped up racist sentiments against them, accusing them of bringing to Israel deadly diseases, violent crimes and anti-state terrorism. Official Israeli government statistics have proven all these smears to be baseless. But Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s primary justification for expelling the refugees cannot be so easily dismissed: They should not be able to live in Israel, he claims, because they are not Jews.

That the refugees are not Jews is true. Of those who are religious, about half are Christian, and about half are Muslim. The belief that non-Jews have no right to live in the Holy Land has always had some currency among Israeli Jews, but it has become increasingly popular in recent years, with the country’s current chief rabbi now openly preaching that genocidal doctrine.

In 2013, Netanyahu completed the construction of a high-tech fence on Israel’s border with the African continent, in order to end the influx of asylum seekers. In the five years that followed, Israeli authorities cajoled over a third of the community, more than 20,000 refugees, to agree to self-deport, by withholding their refugee rights and promising instead that these will be granted to them in an unnamed African country. Now Netanyahu has warned that any African refugees who don’t agree to self-deport by April 1 will be jailed indefinitely until they do so. The first group to face this choice will be single African men who aren’t yet fathers.

Human rights activists, journalists and liberal lawmakers who have followed up with refugees already forced out of Israel have learned that the government never fulfilled its promises to them, and that they were quickly made stateless once more. Without state protection, the vast majority of these refugees then fled for the European Union, hoping to find asylum there. Many then endured horrific tortures at the hands of Libyan slave traders, or drowned in the Mediterranean in failed attempts to reach Fortress Europe.

Anticipating Netanyahu’s April 1 deadline to self-deport, progressive Israelis have begun to publicly oppose the impending expulsion. In recent weeks, groups of doctors and artists, pilots and teachers have taken out advertisements in Israeli newspapers, articulating their objections to the plan. Liberal rabbis have invoked the memory of iconic Holocaust victim Anne Frank in announcing that they plan to resist by hiding African refugees in their own homes, and some Holocaust survivors have also agreed to take them in.

But despite these expressions of solidarity, Netanyahu has vowed to carry out the expulsion as planned, reaping popular support for the plan that he sowed with years of racist incitement. A poll last month found that two-thirds of Israeli citizens support the government’s plan to round up and deport all the remaining African asylum seekers, who now number only about 36,000, less than 0.5 percent of the population.

On Saturday, 20,000 Israelis and Africans marched in the streets of Tel Aviv, calling on the government to allow the refugees to work legally, and to invest in the neighborhoods they live in, so that their presence is not perceived as a burden to long-time residents. It was a brief reminder that the left still exists, even after a decade of rule by what may have been the most racist governments in Israel’s history.

But it was also an indication of the vigilante violence that could be let loose against African refugees if Israeli racists feel that the government plan to expel them all is in danger of being annulled. According to Israeli news site i24, police detained two Israeli men and seized a gun from one of them after they publicly plotted over Facebook to attend a pro-refugee demonstration and attack the Africans with weapons.
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/emmet ... ct-israel/