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skinster wrote:YouTube Censors Abby Martin Interview Explaining Israeli Fascism in 28 Countries

I really liked when the American-Alaya Israeli that Abby interviews says, in perfect American English: "WE know who the enemy is."

I like her conviction. She KNOWS. And so does her tribe.

The rest of us can only speculate, but one tribe out there KNOWS who the good guys and bad guys are. And SHE is obviously one of the good guys. How insightful of her. How insightful of her tribe.

Our media is very much singing the same tune. The moneyed interests behind mainstream media KNOW who the enemy is, and it sure isn't rich media-owners, or the corporations that provide them with so much advertising money. :lol:
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skinster wrote:

Wow Skinster, you posted something insightful, meaningful even, are you feeling well? a bit feverish?

I don't know anything about Corbyn, seen his name around. This little excerpt impresses me.

Namaste.

Zam ;)
#14906878
I was distracted by possible signals of sexual confusion. His legs were crossed to create distance from the other guy, while his body and hands were reaching towards him. :)
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International mainstream media 'failing' audiences
A high-ranking UK academic says international mainstream media is failing audiences when it comes to the war in Syria and have been far too quick to accept the US led narrative.

Piers Robinson, Professor of politics, society and political journalism at the University of Sheffield told Chris Lynch that Western Governments have learned nothing in past 15 years when it comes to propaganda: audio
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Most people, even people who pride themselves on being well-informed, don't believe anything if it is not printed in MSM such as BBC or Reuters. Yet, BBC and Reuters are pure propaganda platforms every bit as much as RT and Sputnik. The difference is that BBC and Reuters are far more effective than RT and Sputnik for the very reason that people believe in them, whereas people automatically doubt RT and Sputnik.

I have listened to BBC for almost 50 years. Wherever I went in my peregrinations over the planet, I had my little shortwave radio which offered BBC et al, as a staple fare. To the casual listener, it is indeed ever so believable. Because those announcers with their cool British accents sound just so "reasonable" and always ask critical questions. It's only when you are up against a story about something you know well that you realize they are full of lies. When you live in Germany, France or Japan and you hear stories about these countries, you understand just how biased BBC broadcasting is. And when you look deep into a story like the alleged Salisbury and Douma chemical attacks you realize that they systematically propagate lies.

Never in the history of humanity has there been a generation as brainwashed and indoctrinated as today's generation. And the combined onslaught of the hegemonic Anglosphere media is more powerful than even the arms arsenal of the superpower. It has, moreover, the advantage that it can be used in everyday life.

What we need is a thorough detoxification of the imperial media.

As always, Craig Murray makes an excellent contribution.
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Zionist Nationalist wrote:These are not peaceful protests cut the bullshit you are fake news you dont really know whats going on and just getting some updates from twitter by pro hamas groups

In your opinion, Zi, does Hamas own/control so much media that it's hard to escape their lies?

Should non-Hamas-owned/controlled media be given more credibility than the gigantic Hamas media cabal?
#14908637
In your opinion, Zi, does Hamas own/control so much media that it's hard to escape their lies?


They dont controll the media but they are using as a tool they know the power of injured or killed children and they do everything so cnn bbc aljazeera etc will all show it

There are clear instructions of not getting closed to the fence what do you expect the army to do let them in?
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The civilized world and international law expects the army not to occupy or imprison millions of people, in a concentration camp. It also struggles to justify how anyone can shoot unarmed protesters demonstrating for their rights and freedom. That's why Israel has been called out, even by zionists like Natalie Portman :D and, while we're on the topic, the Guardian, which is normally pro Israel. I was really surprised to read this editorial:

The Guardian view on the Gaza protests: a new challenge to Israel’s blockade
This weekend the United Nations Middle East peace envoy asked: “How does the killing of a child in #Gaza today help #peace? It doesn’t! It fuels anger and breeds more killing.” Nickolay Mladenov was right to be outraged. He tweeted after a Palestinian teenager was shot in the head apparently by Israeli army snipers while peacefully protesting near a border fence. The Israeli government at first dismissed calls for an investigation, only to concede to one after the international community called on the military to “stop killing children”. The soldiers’ use of live ammunition against unarmed demonstrators is an affront; but it is in line with the brutal attitudes towards Palestinians that have become normalised by Israeli politicians. The snatching of life from a few dozen people and the maiming of 1,700 more over the past four weeks are an indication of what Israel thinks is a fair price to pay to keep Gaza in check. A journalist has been shot dead and ambulances fired upon. This awful pummelling of a besieged population is not solely, as the Israeli military claim, to protect a border fence. It is to cow people into submission. The signs are that it will not.

These protests were envisaged as a grassroots nonviolent campaign to remind the world that Palestinians whose families were driven into exile during the establishment of Israel consider their right to return inviolable. The idea spun out of a viral Facebook post by Ahmad Abu Artema, a 33-year-old journalist, who wondered what would happen if thousands of people in Gaza, the majority of whom are refugees and their descendants, attempted to cross the frontier peacefully to reach their ancestral homes. These may be idealistic thoughts, but they are not ignoble ones. Who would not prefer Mr Artema’s suggestion that Palestinians and Israelis could live side by side as equal citizens to the violent passions and hatred that pass between these two peoples today? In preferring to dream rather than accepting today’s nightmare, Mr Artema shares a belief with Israel’s president in a better future.

Mr Artema’s ideas have been, unlikely as it sounds, adopted – Israel would say hijacked – by Hamas, the Islamist militant group that controls Gaza. The jury is still out as to how long Hamas’s patronage will allow the protests to remain peaceful. The weekly marches build up to a peak on 15 May, when Palestinians mark the Nakba, the catastrophe, which is how they view the foundation of Israel. After a decade of economic blockade by Israel as well as Egypt and three mini-wars, Gaza is on the brink of catastrophe. It is now a giant prison for its 1.8 million people. By 2020, the UN says Gaza will become uninhabitable. The strip is a pressure cooker waiting to explode.

Unfortunately Israel’s hardline government sees gains where others see losses. Its scandal-plagued prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has already got Donald Trump to recognise Jerusalem as Israel’s capital despite its being under international jurisdiction and to cut US funding to the UN relief agency for Palestinian refugees. Mr Netanyahu is now targeting the Palestinian right of return. Such behaviour steels Palestinians with the morale needed for a long struggle. These issues were meant to be resolved through talks. Instead Mr Netanyahu has seized the opportunity presented by Mr Trump’s absurd vanity about securing the “ultimate deal” to press home his advantage. The gains will be ephemeral.

The subjugation of Palestinians erodes Israel’s standing internationally and damages its democracy at home. Its politics are polluted by anti-Arab bigotry. As Israel grows richer, Palestinian destitution becomes more troubling. Its dilemma grows more acute as the number of Palestinians in the Holy Land approaches that of Jews. Israel cannot hold on to all of the land between the Jordan river and the Mediterranean, keep its Jewish identity and remain a democracy. It is in Israel’s interest to accept that Palestinians need a state as much as Israelis do. Otherwise, the choices are a single entity in which Jews could eventually be a minority; a form of apartheid; or perpetual occupation. Hollywood stars like Natalie Portman have understood the dangerous turn Israel is taking. It would be a good idea if the nation’s leaders did too.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... s-blockade
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How The Media Reveal Inconvenient Truth About Syria
The truth is sometimes revealed through words, but more often through deeds.

The Times and several other papers recently carried alarming stories about “Apologists for Assad” to be found in social media, in independent journalism, and even in universities. Passive consumers of corporate media communications may have taken the papers’ word for it and been perturbed. The more alert, however, will have taken this conspicuous flagging of certain journalists, tweeters and academics to be a strategic communication: “these are people you must not listen to and definitely not think of emulating!”

The response from the critically aware has been spectacularly resistant – not least on Twitter, which, ironically, was the main source of the “evidence” used in the coordinated smear campaign. The fact of a campaign, and a coordinated one, appeared obvious. Perhaps a rush to launch the attacks all at once was due to an unexpectedly quick unravelling of the authorized narrative in Syria. As the Syrian Arab Army brought Douma back under government control, the liberated citizens were bringing horrendous stories about conditions of life under the UK-sponsored “moderate rebels”, speaking of terror, humiliation, deprivation, rape, murder and forced labour. These stories, if verified, would severely undermine the mainstream narrative. As would the discovery of exceedingly inconvenient facts relating to the alleged chemical attack that recently served as justification for the F-UK-US bombing raid.

So it is that those of us who strive to get a fair hearing for the inconvenient testimonies are branded “Apologists for Assad”.

Whoever devised the smear campaign perhaps underestimated the public’s instincts of fairness and its appetite for truth. They are also up against a strong streak of decency that runs even through parts of the establishment. Thus in the same week as the attacks on us we could also hear dissenting voices from sections of society that would be especially surprising hotbeds of “Assad Apologism” (whatever that even is). They include lords of the realm, generals and admirals of Her Majesty’s armed forces, United Kingdom ambassadors, Church of England clergy, Westminster politicians, academics from world-leading universities, and even celebrities on mainstream media (apparently including The Great British Bake Off).

The smear campaign also didn’t seem to have effective personnel for the job. The poor hacks who were dispatched to rummage through people’s old twitter feeds and contrive loose chains of supposedly incriminating association seem hardly to have had their hearts in it. Understandably, perhaps, given how far outside their sphere of competence it is to engage with the careful, detailed and often highly sophisticated presentations of serious independent investigators.

Then there was downright idiocy. Riding on the bandwagon of Russophobia is an opportunistic assortment of self-styled sleuths, deploying sometimes hilarious methods of “Russian bot” identification. This has led to the fingering of the now celebrated Ian Shilling, for instance, and the already greatly celebrated Syrian chemist in Australia who goes by the handle @Partisangirl.

Hilarity aside, the campaign has revealed how serious the situation is. To listen to Ian and Mimi is to learn what ideas get equated with Russian propaganda today. I find it chilling that to share such ideas is to be regarded as an enemy in an information war with Russia – a war that even Lord West was publicly recommended to be mindful of by a BBC interviewer last week (who warns him about his loose talk here, from 04:30).

Such a mass mobilisation of controlled information should be no less worrying than the mobilisation of armed force. It is what generates the atmosphere of acquiescence required to get a military war going.

By coordinating their concerted smear campaign, those with centralised power over information have literally revealed what they don’t want revealed. Nobody reading their words will be much the wiser about the alleged problem of “Assad Apologists”, but anyone reflecting on the mere fact of this extraordinary campaign will know that they are pointing out with neon light the people who must not be listened to and certainly not emulated.

So anybody who likes to take the media’s word at face value will not want to click any of the links below. For everybody else, they constitute a collective declaration of solidarity with what we all hold dear.
https://timhayward.wordpress.com/2018/0 ... out-syria/
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