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Prosthetic Conscience wrote:You're seriously claiming that Russians who travelled hundreds of miles to visit Salisbury cathedral would have been turned back by that?
Vladimir Putin's chilling threat to Novichok victim Sergei Skripal hints at personal war
Published 10 September
Vladimir Putin issued a chilling threat to Novichok victim Sergei Skripal, saying of double agents: “A person who chooses this fate will regret it a thousand times.”
The Russian leader’s personal vendetta emerged as it was revealed Sergei’s daughter Yulia, 33, had only travelled to the UK to seek her dad’s blessing for her upcoming wedding.
And it comes less than a week after British authorities said the assassination attempt on the ex-KGB spy in March was “almost certainly” approved by the Russian state.
Putin’s personal interest in Sergei’s goes back as far as 2010, when he was one of four Moscow double agents exchanged with the US for 10 spies America had caught.
Asked at the time for his thoughts on the deal, Putin, a former KGB colonel, said: “A person gives over his whole life for his homeland and then some bastard comes along and betrays such people.
“How will he be able to look into the eyes of his children, the pig. Whatever they got in exchange for it, those 30 pieces of silver they were given, they will choke on them. Believe me.”
He went on: “They will have to hide their whole lives. With no ability to speak with other people, with their loved ones.”
“You know, a person who chooses this fate will regret it a thousand times.”
Putin said he “of course” knew the names of those who had betrayed Russia. Asked if he would punish them, he said: “They live by their own rules, and these rules are well known by everyone in the intelligence services.”
Russian Novichok assassins who tried to kill Sergei Skripal 'could already be dead' says leading Putin critic
In one interview the president described defectors or informants as “beasts” and “swine”, adding that treachery is the one sin he is incapable of forgiving.
He added: “Traitors always meet a bad end. As a rule they either die of heavy drinking or drug abuse.”
The excuses given by the men wanted for the attack are laughable, but that's deliberate. Putin and his thugs are telling a domestic audience they can attack us, get away with it, and not even have to be plausibly deniable.
anarchist23 wrote:I can spot a villain.
anarchist23 wrote: Being a criminal myself I just thought, fuck, these two clowns are guilty. I've spent a year or so, in cells with crooks, small fry and super villains, and I can spot a villain.
ingliz wrote:No.
On Saturday 3rd March our intrepid assassins arrive in Salisbury. We don’t know when they arrived or where they went, but we do know when they left as they conveniently posed for a picture at the railway station.
Could it be they visited Salisbury cathedral after learning Stonehenge would be closed that day due to the weather?
"We arrived in Salisbury on 3 March and tried to walk through the town, but as it was blocked up with snow we could only spend half an hour there," Mr Petrov said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45508949
Sivad wrote:Even if they are the culprits that still doesn't prove they were agents of the Putin.
Prosthetic Conscience wrote:Putin is the guy with the track record of many years of killing opponents.
The poison was of Russian design.
The identities these two used appear to have been manufactured in 2009.
He's in control of the country.
Of course he's the prime suspect.
Comedy is now diplomacy by other means. A mighty nation has taken to conducting a grave international dispute by means of humour, expecting a similarly comic response in kind. How else are we to view the interview granted with RT, the state propaganda outfit formerly known as Russia Today, by the Morecambe and Wise of the east, the two men who identified themselves as Ruslan Boshirov and Alexander Petrov?
Salisbury reaction: 'It would be comical but for the fact someone died'
Posing as Russian sports nutritionists, a professional fraternity whose record is not entirely unblemished, the comedy duo told the channel that they were indeed the men the UK authorities had identified as visiting Salisbury in March, but they hadn’t made the trip to kill the former spy Sergei Skripal. On the contrary, they were there as wide-eyed tourists, lured by the prospect of seeing a cathedral “famous for its 123-metre spire”. Wasn’t it odd that they had visited Salisbury so briefly on the first of two consecutive day trips? Not at all, the TV funnymen insisted: these strong sons of the Russian winter had had to abandon their first attempt to see the sights, deterred by the impassable Wiltshire slush.
Titter ye not, as fellow TV comedian Frankie Howerd might have put it. But titter we have, as the Boshirov & Petrov show has spawned a thousand parodies. Their purported explanation was laughable and we have duly laughed. But is it the right response?
The question is not confined to Vladimir Putin and his troll state. On Thursday Donald Trump claimed that 2,975 people did not die in Puerto Rico from last year’s Hurricane Maria, despite the meticulous analysis that had led his own government to arrive at that figure. Trump tweeted that the death toll had been invented by “the Democrats in order to make me look as bad as possible”.
What is the best way to deal with these egregious assaults on truth by two of the world’s most powerful men, one an authoritarian autocrat, the other a would-be authoritarian autocrat?
Laughing in their faces has great appeal. It avoids dignifying garbage with a serious reply and rightly pricks the bubble of grandiosity that envelops all dictators, both actual and aspiring. But it comes at a cost. Lost in all the spire gags, for example, is the fact that the two Russians are credibly accused of using chemical weapons on British soil – and that a woman, Dawn Sturgess, is dead from novichok poisoning.
More to the point, and though it sounds po-faced, to laugh at the RT interview is to risk collusion with it. Putin surely knows this alibi of his is absurd and easily debunked, and yet he offers it anyway. Part of that is the usual Kremlin trick: the weaponisation of doubt, throwing up enough chaff to enable Russia’s defenders to say the picture is unclear, the truth is elusive and no one can ever really know for sure.
But it’s also more brazen than that: offering up a risible explanation whose very implausibility confirms that Moscow simply doesn’t care. The humour is intended to humiliate Britain: we killed on your territory and now we are laughing at you. To which Downing Street’s unsmiling condemnation of Russia’s “lies and blatant fabrications” may well be the right reaction.
In that spirit, perhaps the best way to reply to Putin and Trump is with a calm, methodical debunking of their falsehoods. In the Salisbury case, CCTV sightings of the two men have made that easy. This approach has the virtue of winning over the undecideds, including within international opinion, as they watch Moscow and London slug it out. There is also a moral dimension: lies should not be allowed to stand without rebuttal.
Prosthetic Conscience wrote:The poison was of Russian design.
Off on hols next week. Fly to Moscow Friday, visit Tula Saturday to see Tolstoy's home & burial place. Back to Moscow that night, Tula again Sunday, take in Samovar factory, back to Moscow & catch flight to London Sunday night. Looking forward to it.
People in our lordless year of 2018 remain very gullible
anarchist23 wrote:Off on hols next week. Fly to Moscow Friday, visit Tula Saturday to see Tolstoy's home & burial place. Back to Moscow that night, Tula again Sunday, take in Samovar factory, back to Moscow & catch flight to London Sunday night. Looking forward to it.
anarchist23 wrote:Off on hols next week. Fly to Moscow Friday, visit Tula Saturday to see Tolstoy's home & burial place. Back to Moscow that night, Tula again Sunday, take in Samovar factory, back to Moscow & catch flight to London Sunday night. Looking forward to it.
ingliz wrote:Why are you reposting a TripAdvisor member's review?
I thought you said nobody takes a weekend break to see the sights.
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The two Russians suspected of poisoning Sergei and Yulia Skripal with Novichok smoked drugs and had sex with prostitutes the night before the attack in Salisbury, reports claim.
Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov partied through the night in a £75 twin room, keeping guests awake in the two star City Stay Hotel in East London, it has been claimed.
An angry guest says he recognised Petrov from CCTV footage released by police after bumping into him in a hotel toilet the evening prior to the failed hit.
He told The Sun on Sunday: "I could smell weed from their room, it was by the door and in the corridor, it was unmistakable.
"Later there was a woman in there - I think it was a prostitute. They were having sex, definitely.
"I heard them having really loud sex for a long time."
Pyotr Verzilov, an activist with Russian protest group Pussy Riot, has been flown to Berlin for specialist medical treatment following a suspected poisoning in Moscow.
He reportedly fell ill after a court hearing on Tuesday and was taken to hospital in a serious condition.
His symptoms allegedly included losing his sight and ability to speak.
Mr Verzilov is best known for taking part in protest at the World Cup Final earlier this year.
He is said to have spent several days in intensive care treatment before regaining consciousness on Friday, friends told the Meduza news website.
The 30-year-old's flight to Germany was reportedly organised by the Cinema for Peace Foundation, whose founder has supported the Russian activist group before.
The chartered plane is said to have arrived at Berlin Schönefeld airport at about 22:45 local time (20:45 GMT) on Saturday night.
Mr Verzilov's mother, who earlier reported being denied access to her son, is understood to have accompanied him on the flight.
The German tabloid Bild shared video and photographs appearing to Mr Verzilov being aided on the plane, then being transported on a stretcher.
A fellow Pussy Riot member, his ex-wife Nadya Tolokonnikova, was also captured welcoming him at the airport.
Speaking to the newspaper, she said he believed he had been "deliberately poisoned" for either "intimidation or even an assassination attempt".
Mr Verzilov has been a prominent figure in the anti-Kremlin opposition for several years, including his work with Pussy Riot.
The group's Twitter account posted a photograph of members posing with a banner alluding to the alleged poisoning on Friday.
Mr Verzilov is a joint citizen of both Russia and Canada.
Earlier this week Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said the situation was a "concern, obviously, given actions of recent months by the Russians in the UK" - referring to the poisoning of a Russian ex-spy and others in Salisbury.
The cause of his Mr Verzilov's illness has not yet been confirmed.
anarchist23 wrote:His symptoms allegedly included losing his sight and ability to speak.
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