[ingliz]

I remember earlier in the thread the police were not part of the conspiracy.

Well, they became 'part of the conspiracy' when they lied about a perfume bottle.

How can the police search the house on 10th July – and then find a bottle on a kitchen worktop on 11th July. Particularly when what they were searching for was a small bottle of liquid?

And why is the broken bottle back together again when the police find it?

And how do you get a gel to spray from an atomiser - It would bung up the works?

[anarchist23]

Is Mr Rowley a suspect?
According to police, a small bottle found in Amesbury home of Charlie Rowley held the nerve agent.

The absolutely unbelievable fact is that Charlie Rowley still can't remember where he found the bottle of nerve agent. This is hard to believe.

On the TV yesterday.

On the TV a month ago.

[layman]

You can easily find these apparent inconsistencies and unexplained events in any complex scenario.

Just look at 911 or the moon landings... there is a whole cult industry around it.

Remember all that fuss about a supposed Swiss laboratory finding fake results or the nhs coverup?

Joint statement from leaders of uk, France, Germany, Canada us


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... s-13202961

[anarchist23]

I had just posted on this thread for the first time. I've a completely open mind in regards the ins and outs of the Skripal poisoning and still have. But Charlie Rowley not knowing where he found an unopened box of perfume beggars belief.

It’s the burning question that so far remains unanswered.
The police do not know where the deadly bottle of Novichok was found and Charlie Rowley cannot remember.
There are details in his account of the days before being struck with a nerve agent that are clear and on a tour of Salisbury with ITV News he has been able to rule out certain locations while keeping the door open to one possibility.
Mr Rowley revealed to ITV News a sealed box of perfume which he found and later gave to his girlfriend contained a deadly nerve agent which killed her.
"It’s a possibility that I may have found it here." he tells us at some bins outside the back of some shops in the centre, but he says "I don’t know, all I can say is a vague description of an area and this being one of them"
Charlie had a habit of searching for "treasure" in bins. The items that would catch his attention were the new still sealed products.
He cannot be sure but thinks the most likely option is that he found it in a city bin a couple of days before he and his partner Dawn Sturgess were contaminated with the chemical weapon.
Charlie says he’s shared this same information with the police and he’s keen to help the investigation.
Mr Rowley couldn't rule out these bins as the spot where the poison was found.
"It’s very frustrating… I’d like to be able to say exactly where I got it from but I can’t…. I’d love to be able to help as much as I can but it’s not helping if I make it up," he said.
We took Charlie to other key locations in the city and he was able to rule them out.
The Maltings park where Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia were found poisoned on the bench is an area he knows but is convinced he didn’t find anything there.
"I feel confident in myself to say it wasn’t picked up in the park…. I can safely say you can rule that out of being a danger zone," he says, referring to Queen Elizabeth Gardens which has been sealed off for weeks and is due to reopen soon.
Mr Rowley doesn't believe the Maltings park, where Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia were found, is where he found the bottle.
None of the friends he was with that day recall him finding anything like perfume.
John Baker House where his partner Dawn lived is ruled out and so too is his home in Amesbury.
It is a mystery that needs resolving both for public safety and the murder investigation but for now the questions are being asked and no one is any closer to finding an answer.

http://www.itv.com/news/2018-07-26/novi ... exclusive/

[layman]

He’s a guy who searches bins for treasure. It’s not that surprising.

[anarchist23]

Yes. Equally the nerve agent could of been planted in Charlie Rowleys home. lol

The theories which might be true about the novichok poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal – and the ones which definitely aren't

There has, meanwhile, been endless theorising in the media about the nature of the attack - that novichok was inadvertently brought in by Yulia Skripal on her clothing or, in another version, a bag of sweets; that Yulia was the real target after "a bust-up with her boyfriend's mum because he said they were starting a family" (the woman was supposedly a high-ranking Russian official); that the novichok was put into the Skripals' drinks in a pub; that the breakthrough in identifying suspects came after the "chilling" content of an electronic message to Moscow that was picked up by a junior personnel at an RAF station in Cyprus saying: "The package has been delivered" (the account was dismissed by GCHQ and other security and intelligence agencies).
Then, after Salisbury resident Dawn Sturgess sadly died after coming into contact with novichok remnants from the Skripal attack, came the tale that teams of Russian agents had been making "dead drops" of the nerve agent all over the city in preparation for the attack; and that there was a "new lead" of "a giant crop circle" showing "the symbol of chemical weapons" spotted just hours before the death.
At his prolonged press conferences earlier this year, the Russian ambassador in London, Alexander Yakovenko, would accuse MI5, MI6 and the CIA of deliberately planting these stories. He was unaware, perhaps, of the vagaries of the British media. The Russians themselves produced around 20 different versions of what had happened, ranging from attempted suicide and an accidental overdose to a "false flag operation" carried out by the British (to possibly distract attention from the disaster of Brexit) or the Americans, or the Ukrainians or the Swedes or Russian émigrés.
The British government has so far failed to provide a direct motive for the attack on the Skripals. Sergei Skripal had been released in a spy swap in 2010 and had been living openly under his own name in this country since then. Other Russians who were part of that exchange continue to live similarly openly, in this country or elsewhere, without facing any threats.
The only explanation - one arrived at by default - is that the attempt on Sergei Skripal's life was in revenge for comrades he had betrayed to MI6, for money, after becoming a double agent. But there is no explanation why this should happen so many years later, breaking in the process the traditional rules of a spy swap. The timing of the act, with all the adverse publicity it would attract, just when Russia was about to host the World Cup - and as has been repeatedly and understandably pointed out - makes no sense.
There have been claims that Skripal may have continued in the spying game. It is true that he had been giving talks, in this country and abroad, for a while. But security sources are adamant that these are about his experiences in the field and, as such, are necessarily dated. One person who went to one of his lectures at a British military facility on the south coast described it as "generally historic and anecdotal."
Skripal's travels had taken him to the Czech Republic and Estonia, where he had been involved in seminars with intelligence officials. There are conflicting reports about what he was able to tell them; but the general consensus is that it was not anything earth-shattering, certainly nothing important enough to sign a death warrant.
Skripal had also been visiting Spain, where he was recruited by MI6, with reports that he had been helping the country's CNI intelligence services. Alexander Litvinenko, another former Russian intelligence officer, had been helping the Spanish authorities to look into alleged links between Russian organised crime and the Kremlin - of interest because of the presence of the Russian mafia in the Iberian peninsula - before he was murdered in London 12 years ago.
This is one of a number of parallels between the Litvinenko and Skripal cases. Others include the use of highly unusual materials (polonium and novichok); two-man teams - Andrei Lugovoi and Dmitry Kovtum, who were accused murdering Litvinenko, and the men using the names Petrov and Boshirov in Salisbury - flying in to carry out the attack; as well as trails of radioactive isotopes and nerve agents found in the respective investigations.
These similarities would seem to indicate links, albeit circumstantial, between the two cases. But Spanish and British officials are adamant that Skripal was not providing information in any specific investigation to Madrid.
There will be further revelations about the Salisbury attack - but major questions remain unanswered. There is little doubt that numerous theories will continue to circulate about what lay behind novichok coming to a provincial English city with such devastating consequences.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/sa ... 27711.html

[Zionist Nationalist]

anarchist do you believe in aliens?

[anarchist23]

anarchist do you believe in aliens?

I have an open mind on the subject to tell you the truth.

[Zionist Nationalist]

I have an open mind on the subject to tell you the truth.

me too but its hard to believe in anything those days when everything can be faked

[anarchist23]

A 29-year-old Wiltshire man last night became what is believed to be the first person in Britain to be accused of the novel crime of raiding a field and creating patterns out of flattened wheat.

Matthew Williams, of Bishops Cannings, near Devizes, was arrested after photographs allegedly showing him working with another man were sent anonymously to detectives.

He will appear before Devizes magistrates on Monday charged with causing criminal damage to an unspecified area of pasture near Marlborough in July this year.

The case threatens to blow the lid on what has long been believed to be the prime cause of crop circles - well-equipped and highly-adept hoaxers.

For years, fans of the paranormal had sought to explain the weird and wonderful patterns of interlinked circles, squares and diamonds as the work of aliens or freak weather conditions.

But some crop circle creators have recently come forward to confess to their activities, carried out under cover of darkness using an array of ladders, tethered barrels and ropes to work "magic".

Police arrested Williams earlier this week after searching his home and recovering pieces of equipment allegedly used to sculpt circles. A second man was also detained but later released without charge.

News of the prosecution was welcomed by farmers in the rolling countryside of Wiltshire - prime territory for crop circles with dozens appearing every summer.

https://www.independent.co.uk/environme ... 66957.html

[anarchist23]

Paramedic says Nikolai Glushkov believed he was poisoned.

A Russian who was murdered in the UK last March believed two men from Moscow had tried to poison him five years earlier, it has been reported.
Nikolai Glushkov was found apparently strangled in his home in south-west London a week after the Novichok poisoning of the Skripals in Salisbury.
The Guardian has now revealed he was allegedly poisoned in 2013 after he shared champagne with two Russians.
The paper says the police are reinvestigating the incident.
Mr Glushkov - a prominent Russian businessman and former deputy director of state airline Aeroflot - was jailed for five years in his home country in 1999 after being charged with money laundering and fraud.
After being given a suspended sentence for another count of fraud in 2006, he was granted political asylum in the UK in 2010 and became a critic of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Paramedic Keith Carr told the Guardian that he treated Mr Glushkov in November 2013 for suspected poisoning after the businessman had shared drinks with two men from Moscow in Bristol's Grand Hotel.
Mr Carr, who was working for the South Western Ambulance Service, said he responded to a report that Mr Glushkov had collapsed on the carpet the morning after the drinks.
He told the paper: "I found Nikolai on the floor of his hotel room. He was able to stand up with help. He looked a bit tottery. We sat him on the bed.
"I asked him what had happened. He told me that he and the two Russians had been drinking the champagne together the previous evening. He went off to the loo and when he came back he drank more champagne.
"The next thing he remembered was waking up on the carpet the next morning. He had carpet burns on his face and on his chest."
Mr Glushkov told Mr Carr that he believed the Russians had poisoned him and that he was a likely target because of his close friendship with fellow Russian businessman Boris Berezovsky, who came to the UK in 1999 after falling out with Mr Putin.
Mr Berezovsky was found hanged in the bathroom of his Berkshire home in 2013, six months before the incident with Mr Glushkov.
Mr Carr said two police officers were in the room while he treated Mr Glushkov for an abnormal heart rhythm and other symptoms, but, he added: "At the time I don't think anybody gave any credibility to what he was saying."
Avon and Somerset Police has confirmed the incident was investigated at the time and no charges were brought.
The Guardian reported that the officers are now reinvestigating the incident as part of their murder inquiry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45455464

[skinster]

Note the time stamp.

The incompetence with the story-tellers on this fairy tale is just...wow.

[Decky]

I can't imagine there are any sensible people out there who still deny that Mossad stole the sample from Porton Down and then committed the crime?

[skinster]

[Nonsense]

He’s a guy who searches bins for treasure. It’s not that surprising.

Look at it this way then.

The 'alleged' poisoning of the Skripal's, has no evidence whatsoever at all to date, in which to pin it on the two men fingered by the 'intelligence' brigade from CCTV footage.

At the very best shot, it is purely CIRCUMSTANTIAL 'evidence', which is NOT enough to convict anyone of anything in a British Court of Law.

The Russians are within their rights to lay down THEIR Law anywhere in the world, on personnel that have hitherto spied for them & who then switch sides.

Betrayal comes with a price on it's head, the daughter was innocent, she, like the other pair who picked up the 'scent' bottle, were collateral damage.
They, STUPIDLY picked the bottle up, KNOWING FULL WELL THAT THE SKRIPAL'S CASE WAS ACTIVE,THEY ACTED STUPIDLY WHEN THE WARNING SIGNS WERE FLASHING RED & THEY PAID THE PRICE.

The TORIES are milking the issue for all it's worth politically, because they want to jack-up military spending & create a smokescreen over BREXIT & AUSTERITY disasters.

The operative word is 'military', NOT 'Defence' spending.

Remember OBAMA visiting BERLIN post UKRAINE, urging Europeans to UP their MILITARY spending because of the UKRAINE?
Shortly after FALLON & HAMMOND pumped over £100 BILLION in BORROWED (more DEBT)money(which we do NOT have-think AUSTERITY-for some-the poor)into military spending(NEW TRIDENT Subs & TWO aircraft carriers)& you see the LIES that motivate the TORIES to do what they will.

They literally STEAL from the poor, in order to UP spending on the military, they will pay the price in the near future.

If you do not think that what Russia is 'ALLEGED' to have done is 'right', then consider the case of the RN Diver, 'Buster' CRABBE back in the 1950's, when Russian ships were in PORTSMOUTH as 'GUEST' & CRABBE was caught like a fish-out-of-the-water spying underneath the Russian naval vessel.

You do NOT spy on 'GUEST' who have been invited to visit & he too paid the price.

[anarchist23]

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This is quite an interesting article.


Published: 8 Sep, 2018 23:54

The NYT has put some fresh spin on the Skripal saga, with the paper saying the ex-spy may have been a target for Moscow-linked mobsters in Spain. But experts told RT they're still waiting for evidence of Kremlin involvement.
The New York Times article, which cites anonymous sources, claims that Sergei Skripal, a former Russian double agent, had been working in recent years with intelligence officers in Spain. It says that he may have been involved in helping Spanish authorities to combat Russian organized crime groups – some of which, needless to say, are claimed to have possible 'ties' to the Russian government.
Although Skripal does have ties to Spain, it's unclear how they're relevant to his recent near-death experience. The former military intelligence officer was stationed in Madrid in the 1990s, where he was recruited by MI6.
Russophobia Digest Part 8: Skripal claims open floodgates, and Pearl Harbour compared to tweeting.
The Times piece comes a day after British prosecutors charged two suspects, Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov, with the attempted murder of Skripal and his daughter Yulia, along with police officer Nick Bailey. UK Prime Minister Theresa May declared that the two men are members of the GRU, Russia's military intelligence service. Britain's security minister, Ben Wallace, added that Russian President Vladimir Putin is "ultimately" to blame for the attack. Counter-terrorism police did not corroborate these claims, limiting their announcement to the nationality, age and aliases of the suspects.
Playing the blame game
After acknowledging that there's no clear motive for the attack on Skripal – some six months after his alleged poisoning – the Times presents a theory of its own: Skripal was helping Spain to crack down on Russian organized crime, eliciting the ire of mobsters "believed" to have links to the Kremlin.
Putin ‘ultimately’ to blame for Salisbury poison attack – UK Security Minister
Compared to Theresa May's unwavering confidence in Moscow's involvement, the New York Times piece "seems to be a less direct attempt to blame the Kremlin," political analyst and journalist Neil Clark told RT.
"You've got to remember that parliamentary privilege means that the prime minister cannot be sued, legal action cannot be taken, for what she says in parliament. So, of course, that might be behind what the New York Times is saying. Rather than directly come out and say, 'We accuse Putin,' it's coming out in a more indirect way by trying to say this could be the work of corrupt oligarchs or corrupt businessmen with links to the Kremlin."
Annie Machon, a former MI5 intelligence officer, noted that despite insinuations from the New York Times, there's "no evidence whatsoever as far as I can see" linking the Russian government to the Skripal case.
"We have a narrative of evidence that will never be tried forensically in court. So we will never know the truth, and there are some big holes in that evidential chain," Machon said, adding that it appears that the tenuous Kremlin links are instead being tried in the court of public opinion.
"Without a court case, without a public inquiry, nobody really knows [who is behind the attack]. And this is the problem with the stuff that's been put out in public."
A crime without a motive
Attempts to sniff out any convincing Kremlin motive for targeting Skripal only highlight the underlying problems with the narrative being pushed by the UK government, Clark noted.
"If the aim was to punish [Skripal] for betraying Russia, he could have been killed in a Russian prison. And there certainly wouldn't have been an attempt to take his life right before the World Cup started, knowing that this would add rocket fuel to the anti-Russia hysteria."
#UK accusation of Russians in #SkripalCase ‘cocktail of lies’ - Moscow ‬
Machon put forward a similar argument, noting that the theory that Moscow wanted "revenge" made little sense, since Skripal was released in a spy swap in 2010.
"One of the key things that the police and investigators need to look at is the motive of why he might have been attacked at this particular time. Because he had been caught, convicted, put in prison and released in Russia."
Salisbury plot thickens, questions without answers multiply
Who was Skripal working for?
Ultimately, determining what kind of work or activities Skripal was involved in after moving to the UK is the key to uncovering a plausible motive, Clark pointed out.
"We'll never solve this mystery until we know exactly how Sergei Skripal was earning a living, or had been earning a living in the last few years. That's a key point. Who was he working for? Where was he getting money from? Was he working for oligarchs? Was he working for British security services, getting paid by them? Was he working for other countries? We don't know. That for me is the most important point.
"I can't see the motive for the Russian state getting involved. The motive will come from what he was working on over the last eight years in the UK," Machon said. She drew attention to reports that Skripal had a business relationship with Christoper Steele, the ex-British spy responsible for compiling the infamous Trump dossier, noting that this could be an interesting aspect of the case to explore.

https://www.rt.com/news/437934-spanish- ... ipal-saga/

[anarchist23]

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Vladimir Putin's chilling threat to Novichok victim Sergei Skripal hints at personal war

Published 10 September

Vladimir Putin issued a chilling threat to Novichok victim Sergei Skripal, saying of double agents: “A person who chooses this fate will regret it a thousand times.”
The Russian leader’s personal vendetta emerged as it was revealed Sergei’s daughter Yulia, 33, had only travelled to the UK to seek her dad’s blessing for her upcoming wedding.
And it comes less than a week after British authorities said the assassination attempt on the ex-KGB spy in March was “almost certainly” approved by the Russian state.
Putin’s personal interest in Sergei’s goes back as far as 2010, when he was one of four Moscow double agents exchanged with the US for 10 spies America had caught.
Asked at the time for his thoughts on the deal, Putin, a former KGB colonel, said: “A person gives over his whole life for his homeland and then some bastard comes along and betrays such people.
“How will he be able to look into the eyes of his children, the pig. Whatever they got in exchange for it, those 30 pieces of silver they were given, they will choke on them. Believe me.”
He went on: “They will have to hide their whole lives. With no ability to speak with other people, with their loved ones.”
“You know, a person who chooses this fate will regret it a thousand times.”
Putin said he “of course” knew the names of those who had betrayed Russia. Asked if he would punish them, he said: “They live by their own rules, and these rules are well known by everyone in the intelligence services.”
Russian Novichok assassins who tried to kill Sergei Skripal 'could already be dead' says leading Putin critic
In one interview the president described defectors or informants as “beasts” and “swine”, adding that treachery is the one sin he is incapable of forgiving.
He added: “Traitors always meet a bad end. As a rule they either die of heavy drinking or drug abuse.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/v ... k-13223538

[anarchist23]

I've seen the exclusive full interview with the two Russians who are suspected of poisoning the Skripals on RT News. Here are some extracts of the interview and they are guilty as fuck, definitely guilty.

See for yourself.

[ingliz]

@anarchist23

[anarchist23]

They travelled to Salisbury twice in a couple of days for a few hours each time and that is all they did on their holiday in the U.K. lol
They journeyed to within a few minutes walk of Skipals house for no apparent reason.