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@noir

Why do you believe that criticising Israeli government policy is antisemitic? Is criticising UK government policy (The Church of England is the established religion, a vicar's daughter is the PM, and Bishops sit in the House of Lords) anti-Christian.
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I've got be honest with you, I love the Israel Palestine conflict. :) The Innocent People meets the Religion of Peace.

We live in a theocracy and like the Middle Ages, the ruling ideology is so successful, not despite its contractions but because of them. The subject of Christendom was required to believe that Jesus was both man and God. And was indoctrinated to to feel guilt, shame and terror when he /she failed to have un doubting belief in all the contradictory nonsense.

So we are required to believe that Jews are the innocents of history and that Muslims are wonderful. We are meant to struggle with the Israel / Palestine. We are meant to put Jews first, while never admitting that we are putting Jews first. But what is so brilliant is that those that oppose the establishment view on Israel / Palestine are its most effective albeit unconscious supporters. The fact that some people in their devotion to their Jews slip into anti Arab racism and Islamophobia reinforces the status Quo as does those who in their love for the Muslims end up hating the Jew. The radicals and extremists help stabilise the system.

Jewish Supremacism and Cultural Marxism are not the same. They are in great antagonism, yet play off, support and reinforce each other. By great irony it is in the "free" West not the Communist East that dialectical totalitarianism has triumphed.
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noir wrote:@ingliz, in the end of the day, Britain has problem with Islamization. Antisemitism is minor issue. There are 250,000 Jews or so in Britain. Many of them will leave.

Yes, you've repeated these types of claims thousands of times here on pofo without any evidence except tweets from tweetland.

You might as well be posting scans of tea leaves as proof.

This thread has become so diluted with piss-weak spam and undeveloped strawman semi-arguments that you're going to have to post a picture of Jeremy Corbyn buying a can of Xyklon-B from Adolph Hitler if you want to maintain any interest in this "event" you're trying to create out of self-interest and text.

Rich wrote:The radicals and extremists help stabilise the system.

No. Fear of radicals and extremists is what stabilises the system. And the system is a suicide machine, so that's bad. And I also disagree that "we're taught" to love Muslims. The language and themes of Western commercial media are hateful and racist towards Muslims; they have to be in order to buy permission to kill Muslims for economic reasons.
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We learnt about the Nazis and the Holocaust in class, and I deffo wouldn't take the side of anyone who did that to anyone, but why does anti-Semitism seem to be a bigger crime than anti-Catholicism, anti-Islamicisn, or anti-Buddhism (if anybody is that)? Or anti-Australian, anti-American, or anti-British?

Judaism is just another religion, like the C of E, or the Catholics - why do we have to support any of that? And why is there a 'Jewish Council' or a 'Catholc Council' or any of that stuff? If you believe the big G exists - go and sacrifice lambs or your first born or something like that - just be quiet about it and leave everyone else alone.

Oh yes, and being against the State of Israel is not the same as being against everyone of the Jewish religion. I know grownups who say Israel is a rogue state, and only exists cos of support from the USA, but they still have loads of Jewish friends.
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@noir

noir wrote:Antisemitism is minor issue

A Jew wrote: ... our family’s long-term future cannot be in the UK

Not for the Jews, it seems, but you still haven't answered my question.

I will put it another way.

Why should Labour adopt the full International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of antisemitism when the Alliance's position is "Jews [are] collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel" – a belief itself defined as antisemitic?
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@ingliz



Leave the holocaust aside, the Palestinian jihadi cause which unite the Muslim vote block and tradional British hard left is main device that is going to mutate Britain. The Jews will leave as they are already do, but Labour entrenched by Islam and Orwellian "anti racism" is Britain main problem.


The Jewish British take on the issue




Meanwhile the promise of education is undermined by Labour’s apparent refusal to adopt the full IHRA definition of antisemitism because it cites examples of antisemitism directed at Israel.

Left-wing antisemitism is typified by the way "Zionist" has become a term of abuse. Zionism, the movement designed to free Jews from antisemitism, is denigrated daily in far left circles.

Corbyn himself has previously said that: "We are opposed to Zionism and what Israel is doing towards the Palestinian people... They can't live if you’ve got Zionism dominating it all.”
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noir wrote:Ah, ok

This morning, at the launch of the Chakrabarti Inquiry into antisemitism, I was verbally attacked by a Momentum activist and Jeremy Corbyn supporter who used traditional antisemitic slurs to attack me for being part of a 'media conspiracy'.

Ruth Smeeth


:lol:
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noir wrote:smear conspiracy

Our analysis shows that Corbyn was thoroughly delegitimised as a political actor from the moment he became a prominent candidate and even more so after he was elected as party leader, with a strong mandate. This process of delegitimisation occurred in several ways: 1) through lack of or distortion of voice; 2) through ridicule, scorn and personal attacks; and 3) through association, mainly with terrorism.

All this raises, in our view, a number of pressing ethical questions regarding the role of the media in a democracy. Certainly, democracies need their media to challenge power and offer robust debate, but when this transgresses into an antagonism that undermines legitimate political voices that dare to contest the current status quo, then it is not democracy that is served.


Dr Bart Cammaerts et al, Abstract, Academic Report on Journalistic Representations of Jeremy Corbyn in the British Press (2016), Department of Media and Communications, LSE
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Ian Austin is an old school Labour MP writing in left wing New Statesman

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... i-semitism

Threats from Len McCluskey won't stop Labour MPs standing up to anti-Semitism

As a teenager I joined the Labour Party determined to fight racism. As a student I worked with Searchlight to counter the National Front. Just last week, I organised a Rally Against Racism in the Birmingham hotel room where Enoch Powell made his “Rivers of Blood” speech 50 years before. I’ve stood alongside Muslim constituents targeted by the British National Party or the English Defence League. I’ve campaigned against racism all my life and it is completely unacceptable for Len McCluskey to claim I’m exploiting this issue to undermine Jeremy Corbyn as he did in the New Statesman this week.

And throughout all of this, so many denied there was any problem at all. Too many on the hard left believe they are so virtuous - they say they have fought racism all their lives – that they can’t be responsible for any form of racism. All this must therefore be whipped up or “weaponised” by people opposed to Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership.

Len McCluskey is right on one point - everyone knows I didn’t support Jeremy’s leadership campaign and haven’t been persuaded since. But McCluskey is completely wrong to claim this is why I complain about anti-Semitism and extremism. It is in fact, the exact opposite way round. It is because I’m angry about anti-Semitism and worried about extremism that I’ve argued against Jeremy from the outset.

For example, Corbyn was a founder member and chair of the Stop the War Coalition, an article on whose website praised the “internationalism and solidarity” of Isis and compared it to the International Brigades. On other occasions, the group supported what it called the Iraqi “struggle” against British troops “by any means necessary”, said that it stood with Saddam Hussein, and promoted or provided a platform for Assad apologists.

The Labour Party has always fought racism and stood up against extremism, and hose of us who are demanding we tackle these problems are right to speak out.

Ian Austin is the Labour MP for Dudley North ​
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noir wrote:an old school Labour MP

Ian Austin is not an 'old school (Socialist?) Labour MP'. He is regarded as being to the right of the party and associated with the Labour Friends of Israel.

wiki wrote:Labour Friends of Israel is a parliamentary group, affiliated to the Labour Party, that promotes support for a strong bilateral relationship between Britain and Israel.
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