Nine Palestinian civilians shot by Israeli army. What is the point of killing civilia - Page 5 - Politics Forum.org | PoFo

Wandering the information superhighway, he came upon the last refuge of civilization, PoFo, the only forum on the internet ...

All general discussion about politics that doesn't belong in any of the other forums.

Moderator: PoFo Political Circus Mods

#14902686
Jonathan Cook wrote:With more Palestinians than Jews, Israel is waging a numerical war of attrition
For the first time, there are more Palestinians than Jews living under Israeli rule

The Israeli army’s trigger-finger against Palestinian protesters close to the fence surrounding Gaza at the weekend, killing at least 18 and injuring hundreds more, has an explanation rooted in more than normal conceptions of security.

Even before Israel’s creation, its leaders were obssessed with demography and winning a zero-sum numerical war of attrition with the Palestinians. The consequences are still playing out to this day.

Last week, ahead of the Gaza protests, the Israeli army made an unexpected admission. It told parliamentarians that for the first time Jews are outnumbered by Palestinians living under Israeli rule, both inside Israel as citizens and in the territories under occupation.

It was a moment whose significance was not lost on Israeli legislators. Many were appalled, refusing to accept the army’s assessment that there are now half a million more Palestinians than Jews between the Mediterranean Sea and the river Jordan.

Avi Dichter, a right wing legislator and a former head of Israel’s secret police agency the Shin Bet, called the data “disconcerting”.

In 1948, when the Zionist movement saw a chance to seize control of as much of Palestine as possible, it understood that this goal could be achieved only through the ethnic cleansing of most of the native population. It was Zionism’s moment to create the “empty land” mythologised in its early slogans.

Today, the demographic successes of 1948 have been largely reversed. The Six-Day War of 1967 was over too quickly for Israel to expel more than a small proportion of the Palestinians living in the rest of the historic Palestine it had just conquered.

Higher Palestinian birth rates have been eroding the Jewish majority ever since while various schemes to force or pay Palestinians to leave have mostly failed.

Israeli officials’ ultimate fear in this demographic war is that the world will judge a minority of Israelis ruling over a majority of Palestinians as a new form of apartheid.

Seven decades on from its creation, Israel has won every battle, bar this one. The Palestinians are crushed. Washington now does little more than cheerleading for the settlers. Parts of the Middle East are in disarray. The Europeans have lost interest.

But in terms of the most pressing of all Israel’s struggles – for numerical dominance over Palestinians – Israel appears to be losing its seven-decade fight.

In a sign of growing levels of desperation, the Diaspora Affairs Ministry, headed by settler leader Naftali Bennett, announced a plan last week to track down those around the globe with an “affinity” to Israel or Judaism. In the ministry’s view, 90 million people may qualify.

According to an editorial in the Israeli daily Haaretz, officials regard this group as “demographic treasure … potential candidates to join the Jewish people and immigrate to Israel”.

But Israel is not only trying to bolster its Jewish population. It has been devising tangible ways to reduce the Palestinian population too.

Since 2003, Israel has effectively banned family reunifications for Palestinians in Israel who marry Palestinians in the occupied territories. Such families are under pressure to move abroad so they can live together.

More significantly, two years later Israel pulled its few thousand settlers out of Gaza, in part so it could claim it was no longer occupying the coastal enclave, even as it blockaded it from land, air and sea. It has argued unconvincingly – as the weekend’s events prove – that about two million Palestinians there, who constitute the fastest-growing Palestinian population, have been removed from the demographic equation.

Withdrawing from the rest of the territories has proven even harder. There is almost no support among Israeli Jews for giving up East Jerusalem and its holy sites, even though it is home to 300,000 Palestinians.

And a rapidly shrinking Israeli centre-left has lost the campaign to withdraw from the parts of the West Bank where large numbers of Palestinians live.

The right is committed to seizing all of the West Bank. The question now is how to annex it without the Palestinians becoming the majority population. Palestinian legislator Ahmed Tibi warned his Jewish colleagues last week that they were bringing closer their nightmare scenario of a Greater Israel ruled by an “Arab prime minister”. But no one, including Mr Tibi, believes that will be allowed to happen.

Instead two varieties of annexationists have emerged.

The first are those who want to intensify the campaign to force Palestinians out of most of the West Bank, gradually herding them into a handful of cities, in preparation for a series of ever-expanding annexations.

The Israeli human rights group B’Tselem issued a warning last week that dozens of Palestinian farming communities were facing imminent expulsion from Area C, which forms two-thirds of the West Bank.

Israel has stepped up home demolitions, torn up roads, denied Palestinians electricity and water, encouraged settler violence and conducted military and live fire training on Palestinian land. The aim, said B’Tselem, is to avoid international censure as Israel makes “life unbearable to force them to leave, as if by free choice”.

These are the “moderates” in the government. The other camp, exemplified by deputy defence minister Eli Ben Dahan, believes all the West Bank can be annexed, with the Palestinians viewed more like trees than human beings.

Last week he told Arutz Sheva, a settler news agency, that the army’s warning of a Palestinian majority should not “scare us”. Palestinians would simply be denied voting rights for the foreseeable future.

“They are far from [a] meaningful democracy as we know it,” he said, adding that Palestinians might eventually earn citizenship in a Greater Israel if they submitted absolutely. “There are many examples of citizenship that are given gradually,” he added.

Seventy years on, as the massacre in Gaza has underscored, Israeli leaders are faced with the same dilemma as its founders: should they again use violence to drive Palestinians from their homeland or establish an unapologetic and brutal apartheid state ruling over them?
https://www.thenational.ae/opinion/comm ... n-1.718183
#14902697
Rich wrote:Its nothing like the way Nazis viewed Jews. Its maybe akin to how the Nazis viewed Gypsies.

Its like these absurd claims of Israeli genocide against the Muslims. The world Muslim population expands by something like ten Muslims every second. Nine Palestinians is just a drop in the ocean.


They view Palestinians as subhuman, who's lives are worthless. Gazan's are treated like Jews were in the Warsaw ghetto. They are in an unlivable prison and can't escape.

There's thousands of people, mostly children, with serious injuries in hospitals, suffering, who can't get medical supplies because Israel wont let them in. Do you think it make's them feel better to know the "world Muslim population expands by something like ten Muslims every second"? :eh:

The goal of Israel when attacking Gaza, killing civilians and destroying thousands of peoples houses, is to "Punish, Humiliate and Terrorize". That's a quote from a Zionist.
#14902830
Seeker8 wrote:Ugh, can't believe you are defending this act. I didn't think you were that bad.

This is a similar act to Bloody Sunday.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)
Except that was a massive thing in British history, still being apologized for. To Israel, it's a perfectly reasonable action.
In this vein, I dedicate this song:


And to those who think that the cause of the Palestinians is an unworthy lost cause , I say "don't dream it's over". The struggle must and will continue until victory.

#14902952
As long as Israel continue their land grab and construction of illegal settlements they have no defence for their actions. The Palestinian death toll rises while the Israelis suffer less casualties. It is Israel who is on the offence, it is Israel who have been assassinating targets in neighbouring countries and carrying out air strikes.
#14903779
Seeker8 wrote:They view Palestinians as subhuman, who's lives are worthless. Gazan's are treated like Jews were in the Warsaw ghetto. They are in an unlivable prison and can't escape.

There's thousands of people, mostly children, with serious injuries in hospitals, suffering, who can't get medical supplies because Israel wont let them in.


We know things aren't particularly perfect in Israel - just as they aren't anywhere. But the Palestinians seem very happy so I'm sure this is all just anti Israel propaganda.

Image

Image
#14903810
Zionist Nationalist wrote:Obvious denial is obvious 8)



Raf Sanchez of Daily Telegraph.




Palestinian source

Google translate

https://translate.google.com/translate? ... t=&act=url




Senior Hamas spokesman, Adham Abu Salmiya, makes the financial reward public. They believe that the Palestinian jihad is so holy that no one cares by the means.


Image
#14903835
Israel just lost American Jews

^ 8)

noir wrote:Palestinian source


ZN quoted my comments about the photoshopped-swastika-in-Gaza picture that you posted. Do you have a Palestinian source for that? :excited:

You're going to struggle selling the people of Gaza as nazis, since they have 0 power and are literally imprisoned in concentration-camp-like conditions, by people acting like nazis.
#14903951
Palestinians threaten Israels border, Palestinians get shot at and killed. Israel threatens Palestinian border, Palestinians get shot at and killed.

Israel is an untenable state, they are the greatest nuclear threat to this planet. Even more so than America
#14903954
THe Palestinians are not pleased by the scale of the killing, a pro Palestinian Turkish outlet, makes the reward offer public



Father not only risks his child's ĺife bringing him to such a hostile protest but then masks himself to protect against toxic fumes yet leaves his son unprotected. Many of these parents are happy to see their children endangered, wounded and even killed. They reap great rewards and they hope Israel suffers as a consequence. We cannot believe or even contemplate such a hateful attitude but it is fact.

  • 1
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • 6
  • 7
  • 11
Russia-Ukraine War 2022

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ4bO6xWJ4k Ther[…]

@FiveofSwords " chimpanzee " Having[…]

@Rancid They, the dogs, don't go crazy. They s[…]