Godstud wrote:Yes, because they based their hatred on feelings and emotions, and not reason nor logic.
I think this is more of a political assertion than a scientific one, just as the OP's assertion seems somehow to be conflating the phenomenon to Americans as though citizenship in a nation-state had something to do with it. In effect, you are asserting that people are making a reasoned and logical choice to base their hatred on feelings and emotions. Personally, I think that is not a conscious choice. Rather, it is an involuntary reaction from the pre-frontal cortext and limbic system, in parts of the brain such as the amygdala.
By contrast, I don't think homosexuals have a choice in their feelings. However, they do have a choice in their behavior. The attempts to change social attitudes may have given them hope that they have achieved some 'progress', however, it does not change brain chemistry or brain structure. Homosexuals do have a choice about holding hands walking down the street, and seem to push societal boundaries demanding acceptance from others. This poses some considerable risks for homosexuals.
Godstud wrote:They are violent asses who make society worse for EVERYONE.
Well, I think they certainly make it worse for homosexuals. Insisting that they make society worse for everyone is probably an overstatement.
Godstud wrote:Violence is not acceptable in modern society, even against someone you don't "like".
Violence is natural behavior. Whether it is deemed acceptable or not will not eliminate violence. Many of the people on this board who would more or less agree with your sentiments were perfectly fine with initiating violence against neo-Nazis.
Godstud wrote:Except the homosexuals aren't harming the homophobes.
Well that is a matter of opinion. Homosexuals have certainly waged a concerted attack on traditional morals and those who practice them. So naturally some people who choose to live according to traditional morals may view homosexuals as a harm to society and a threat to public morality. After all, homosexuality was considered criminal until around 1960 in most places.
Godstud wrote:Tolerance of other people's differences has nothing to do with "enjoyment", or "novelty", but freedom of people to live their life as they wish, especially when no harm is being done to others.
For all your attacks on America, I do find your embrace of American ideology a bit strange. In America, the notion of "freedom" generally meant freedom from government trying to order your behavior. In the instant case, the attack was not perpetrated by the government.
Godstud wrote:Your argument is simply a typical conservative argument about hating change.
I did not say I hated change. I work in the sort of business that promotes change. Prevailing opinions do not change how brains are wired.
anarchist23 wrote:At the end of the sixties I had long hair which was still not common..
On two occasions, at night, I was beaten up walking down the road. On the first occasion a car just stopped next to me, 3 guys jumped out, I legged it, the cunts caught up with me, pushed me to the ground and gave me a good kicking as they called me a poof. The second time a group of skin heads surrounded me and landed a few punches in my face, luckily I was recognised and a girl told her skinhead mates to leave me alone.
50 years down the line things have definitely got better in Britain. Without a doubt.
These things are much better understood by anthropologists than modern social justice warriors.
layman wrote:The uk ranks in the top three places in Europe for homosexuals. I believe one study focusing on LGBT rights put is no 1.
Considering population flows, do you think that esteemed position for homosexuals will persist given the United Kingdom's affinity for importing people with religious views they would consider "extreme," "intolerant," or "hateful" if they were held by the native population?
layman wrote:Do you think poverty and lack of education could be factors too? I couldn’t find any data but it seems likely on the face of it. There also appears to be a macho culture associated with black Americans that may not lend it self so well to LGBT people. Some rap music has homophobic language though that seems to be getting better.
Well the political left in the United States tolerates views and language from black people that it does not tolerate from other populations. For example, using the n-word is no problem for blacks, but causes the media to go into an uproar if other populations use it, particularly white people. Witness the recent ABC cancellation of Roseanne Barr's show. Set aside your personal opinions for a moment and ask yourself if the reaction would be different if Roseanne Barr were black? One of Roseanne Barr's writers, Wanda Sykes, quit even before ABC cancelled the show; yet, Wanda Sykes, who is black, compared Donald Trump to an orangutan.
For example, if I white person wrote this song and sung it, for some reason the mainstream media and political class would condemn it.
Yet, if black people write this sort of thing, it generates little or no mention. Yet, this represents the latest in black hip-hop culture.
It's not unlike the UK, where grooming young women for sex with older men would be forbidden to white people, but it is generally tolerated by the government if it is done by Muslims, to the point that if the white population finds it outrageous, they are willing to do things like throw Tommy Robinson in prison and demand that the media not report on the matter.
layman wrote:Incidentally, I read yesterday in the guardian that black American gay people have a 50 percent chance of being hiv positive in their lifetime. A shocking statistic.
Many years ago here, I showed that the Bell Curve's assertion of IQ and the fact that blacks scored a full standard deviation lower than whites was also correlated with other studies. In terms of IQ, Asians scored the highest with whites a very close second. Hispanics scored considerably lower, with African Americans scoring the lowest. This IQ distribution also seems pretty uniform throughout the world.
The IQ distribution correlates very closely with violent crime statistics. Violent crime among African-Americans is a full standard deviation higher on a per capita basis than it is for whites. If you factor violent crime in the United States, it is basically the same for whites in the US as it is for whites in Europe. Europeans used American violent crime statistics to champion their welfare state policies to America for decades. Now that they are importing MENA and sub-saharan African populations, the dynamics in Europe are changing rapidly. London recently overtook New York in murders, even though private ownership of firearms is highly restricted in the UK. Yet, the murders were conducted mostly with knives, leading to a "knife ban" in London.
The IQ distribution also correlates very closely to acquiring sexually transmitted diseases. Asians have the lowest instance, followed very closely by whites. Hispanics contract them considerably more frequently, while African Americans get them at rates a full standard deviation higher than the white population. You can transpose these figures pretty much anywhere in the world and the results are similar. The left reacts to this by denying it, trashing studies, and characterizing anyone who even makes such comparisons as "racist."
I have seen interesting anomalies. For example, native Americans have a similar violence problem to African Americans. Yet, when it comes to murder, the murder rate for native Americans drops off rapidly in juxtaposition to African Americans. In my experience, native Americans, when provoked into a rage, typically flee a scene in dramatic fashion; by contrast, African Americans will remain in a conflict until someone prevails. I don't know why these behaviors seem persistently attributable to population groups, but I suspect genes play a stronger role than environment.
Looking at these phenomena and their statistically significant correlations to IQ distribution is very unpopular view among the political left, as they envisage a single world government, a single currency, a single religion, and everybody living together in peace and harmony. I think it's a pretty dangerous delusion. It will likely give rise to a plurality of Hitler type figures in the coming decades, and we will ultimately end up living in highly fascist societies as a consequence of liberal delusions.
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