[One Degree]

I like how we transitioned from, "Godstud shouldn't express an opinion because he's not American" to "everyone who disagrees with me is a member of the Democrat party." Nice false dichotomy 1D.

Way to attribute quotes to me I never made. I never made that statement about Godstud and the second quote makes no sense. I expected better from you than made up personal attacks.

Edit: Thank you [usermention=22053]@Conscript[/usermention for responding to all the already debunked deflections.

[SpecialOlympian]

It absolutely was a choice, one Jeff Sessions furiously jacked it to because his life long dream, ever since he prosecuted black people for daring to vote, was to achieve a position of power where he could inflict the maximum amount of pain on as many non-white people as possible. And he did so by choosing to implement the law in a way that separated families from children.

So let me clear a few things up.

Yes, we are pursuing a “zero tolerance” prosecution policy at the border.

Under the laws of this country, illegal entry is a misdemeanor. Re-entry after having been deported is a felony.

Under the law, we are supposed to prosecute these crimes. Accordingly, I have ordered our prosecutors to pursue 100 percent of the illegal entries on the Southwest border that DHS refers to us.

If you cross the Southwest border unlawfully, then the Department of Homeland Security will arrest you and the Department of Justice will prosecute you. That is what the law calls for—and that is what we are going to do. Having children does not give you immunity from arrest and prosecution. It certainly doesn’t give immunity to American citizens.

However, we are not sending children to jail with their parents. The law requires that children who cannot be with their parents be placed in custody of the Department of Health and Human Services within 72 hours.

Coincidentally, I find it lol that the Trump administration has chosen to suddenly care so deeply about the law.

[Tainari88]

This tribalistic, culture warrior attitude will beget more of that which in turn means the death of the bourgeois, individualistic civic identity and its breakdown into constituent parts according to differing stake in Western civilization. It's the undoing of our postcolonial racialized class system in a zero-sum game by breaking apart society, rather than in a positive sum outcome unifying peoples along liberal-individualist lines that cross class and racial barriers. In other words, it's pushing us towards a Weimar phase for the republic.

The quest for either justice or eternal growth must be balanced by preventing democracy from cannibalizing itself, especially as the middle class declines and people return to identity in response to atomization. To do this, we need to observe certain laws of social capital and have respect, not elitist scorn, for the 'reactionary' masses and their way of life.

I am clear as can be. Crystal clear. I identify with the Latin American working class and peasant class. That is where my family is from. I am an internatonal socialist. The only answer to international capitalists invading all nations for profit and exploitation is an organized international socialist working and peasant class kicking their asses in power plays and uniting to solve deep issues that propel people out of their home nations seeking asylum and work in nations filled with racist fools. You want a solution to this problem. Stop creating the conditions that force immigration both legal and illegal. The only way is to stop thinking it is ok to pay people peanuts they can{t live on in any place, and create stability in their own nations. Otherwise you will have the same damn problem going on FOREVER.

This is about people not being able to live in their home nations. The USA is not in Europe PEOPLE. It is in the Americas. And Mexico and Central and South America are filled with non European bloodlines. They are your neighbors. Canada has not even a third of what Mexico has in population. Latin America has more than 500 million people and many of those are living in poverty. Most get here on tourist visas on planes, trains and buses and don{t run accross the desert or the border. 500 million PLUS. Non whites. Poor and not speaking English. Those are the neighbors. You are going to have to accept they are your new pool of new workers. Not the Europeans. They are comfortable in England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Southern Ireland and Netherlands, Germany, etc. They can make a living. Why the hell come here to get less benefits_ The only people you got to work with are the DARK ONES you racists. Accept it. If you can{t and want to shoot the dark ones....they will shoot back and kill you as well. If you want a civil war over bullshit about looks and non European crap-----you will lose the war. The majority of the Americas is not European. Accept it already.

The other solutions are classist, racist and incompetent and ineffective. Killing and detaining, jailing and prosecuting people for profit. That is not going to do any long term solving. If you think the solution is to shoot, kill or jail people for being so desperate as to flee to another country seeking asylum or some bad paying job.....you are a horrible human being and should not have a right to call yourself a human. Just call yourself a racist pig and get it over with.

[One Degree]

It is hard to take any of you seriously when you are yelling ‘racism’. Immigration control is not about race. Latin Americans are not a race even though the term references race, white race . Your delusions have become too silly to respond to.

[Conscript]

That quote does not support your claim that separating children is a choice.

Coincidentally, I find it lol that the Trump administration has chosen to suddenly care so deeply about the law.

It's far more amusing to see some people suddenly care about small government and family integrity.

I identify with the Latin American working class and peasant class.

Okay, the populists identify with their own downtrodden. Are you looking forward to these two groups fighting each other? Because it sounds like we're moving towards 'barbarism' rather than 'socialism'.

The only answer to international capitalists invading all nations for profit and exploitation is an organized international socialist working and peasant class kicking their asses in power plays and uniting to solve deep issues that propel people out of their home nations seeking asylum and work in nations filled with racist fools.

I can sympathize, I just think revolution would be disastrous in any society with a racialized class system. What we should do instead is have strong nation-states as vehicles of enfranchisement and stability for the fundamentally insecure proletariat, which can in turn lobby the economic elite for social responsibility on the basis of some sort of shared identity. Class hierarchies are going to become more stratified with the future division of labor, and the lack of unity could be a recipe for breakdown of individualism and balkanization.

Stop creating the conditions that force immigration both legal and illegal.

Why are you conflating blame here? Is it the international capitalists or Middle America to blame for "invasion of all nations for profit and exploitation"?

[Tainari88]

It is hard to take any of you seriously when you are yelling ‘racism’. Immigration control is not about race. Latin Americans are not a race even though the term references race, white race . Your delusions have become too silly to respond to.

You are foolish in the extreme and the history of immigration policy has always been about three things One Degree.

Who can we exploit and make money off of.

Who is in economic crisis and has immigrants willing to immigrate.

Who are we looking for currently.

Yes it is about race. Do you see Trump and his racist buddies worrying about white Canadian illegal immigration_ They worry about Mexico because it is not Europe based culture. If you cant understand that you are of extreme blindness One Degree.

I dont care if you take me seriously One Degree. I find most of your opinions conventional and just boring as all hell and without depth. I think you are a shallow thinker. The people I respect with depth both on the right and the left in this forum I respect and they respect me back.

You are very shallow in general One Degree. And you dont want to admit that all your thoughts about being against other cultural influences is really about paranoia and subconscious racist thoughts. I respect people who are honest with themselves and know who they are about. Not denial people who refuse to face their own flaws in life.

People should start understanding what all these hysterical claims about we must protect our borders are about. Some chimp like territorial xenophobia and the need for a new set of immigrants. The USA gov{t wants the cream of the crop. Educated, prepared, English speaking lily white people to come in and start working the tech jobs and skilled labor jobs of the future. The answer is....sorry, buddies, those people are in short supply. They just are. Not enough motivation for them to come here for some fake American Dream. They get more jobs that pay better staying home. The same with the rich Chinese from the PRC who with a booming Commie-state capitalist economy are not going to be flocking here forever. So what to do.....accept the Latin American kids, give them great educations and give them a future. They are young and energetic. The same with the Asians willing to immigrate and the Africans as well. Accept them.

If you can{t accept them. Then you got issues. Because the whites with PhD{s in computer science and engineering are not plentiful in many nations and the few that produces them all invested a lot of money in them and are not willing to give it to you for free. Sorry. Tough cookies. Bite the bullet.

[One Degree]

You are foolish in the extreme and the history of immigration policy has always been about three things One Degree.

Who can we exploit and make money off of.

Who is in economic crisis and has immigrants willing to immigrate.

Who are we looking for currently.

Yes it is about race. Do you see Trump and his racist buddies worrying about white Canadian illegal immigration_ They worry about Mexico because it is not Europe based culture. If you cant understand that you are of extreme blindness One Degree.

I dont care if you take me seriously One Degree. I find most of your opinions conventional and just boring as all hell and without depth. I think you are a shallow thinker. The people I respect with depth both on the right and the left in this forum I respect and they respect me back.

You are very shallow in general One Degree. And you dont want to admit that all your thoughts about being against other cultural influences is really about paranoia and subconscious racist thoughts. I respect people who are honest with themselves and know who they are about. Not denial people who refuse to face their own flaws in life.

People should start understanding what all these hysterical claims about we must protect our borders are about. Some chimp like territorial xenophobia and the need for a new set of immigrants. The USA gov{t wants the cream of the crop. Educated, prepared, English speaking lily white people to come in and start working the tech jobs and skilled labor jobs of the future. The answer is....sorry, buddies, those people are in short supply. They just are. Not enough motivation for them to come here for some fake American Dream. They get more jobs that pay better staying home. The same with the rich Chinese from the PRC who with a booming Commie-state capitalist economy are not going to be flocking here forever. So what to do.....accept the Latin American kids, give them great educations and give them a future. They are young and energetic. The same with the Asians willing to immigrate and the Africans as well. Accept them.

If you can{t accept them. Then you got issues. Because the whites with PhD{s in computer science and engineering are not plentiful in many nations and the few that produces them all invested a lot of money in them and are not willing to give it to you for free. Sorry. Tough cookies. Bite the bullet.

So you don’t know the difference between race and culture. Got it. Intelligent people don’t repeat propaganda that is nonsensical. Intelligent people don’t call people racist that are discussing culture. Only propagandized shallow people do that. Intelligent people do not accuse people of racism against their own race.
Address your own shallowness before making pompous accusations at others.

[jimjam]

The next logical step: all of those children in cages were actually actors.

This is a much used fallback position for so called conservatives. After 17 kids were murdered in Parkland H.S. some of the survivors had the nerve to speak up and try to have something done. They were accused of being actors (most likely by actors paid by the NRA )

[jimjam]

Killing and detaining, jailing and prosecuting people for profit.

Trump is obviously using the immigrant situation to create a hysteria amongst the Trump Zombies in an effort to cement their votes. Trump is no fool. He saw quickly how easily large groups of not too bright people can be agitated and zombified to his advantage.

No doubt there is room for improvement on the boarder but ripping babies and kids from their mothers and holding them hostage for a $40,000,000,000 wall is quite pathetic. After a year plus I would wager that America now looks like shit to countries of the world not ruled by dictators.

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"…. no more

and this:

The Trump administration wants to expand its network of immigrant jails. In recent months, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has called for five new detention facilities to be built and operated by private prison corporations across the country. Critics are alarmed at the rising fortunes of an industry that had fallen out of favor with the previous administration.
The Joe Corley Detention Facility is a sprawling complex surrounded by shiny concertina wire located in Conroe, Texas — about an hour north of Houston.
ICE spends more than $2 billion a year on immigrant detention through private jails like this one.
The Corley facility is owned by GEO Group, the nation's largest private prison company.
ICE and the U.S. Marshals Service pay GEO $32 million a year to house, feed and provide medical care for a thousand detainees.

[Zagadka]

So you don’t know the difference between race and culture. Got it.

Like the way Trump is preaching that every immigrant is a member of MS-13 trying to "infest" American culture?

Intelligent people don’t repeat propaganda that is nonsensical.

I agree. Have you ever seen a Trump rally?

[SpecialOlympian]

[One Degree]

Like the way Trump is preaching that every immigrant is a member of MS-13 trying to "infest" American culture?


I agree. Have you ever seen a Trump rally?

I never claimed it was one way. My point has been ‘racism’ is just one of many old tactics to avoid the issues.
Racism exists, but that does not entitle people to dismiss every argument by yelling ‘racism’ or to deliberately conflate it with cultural differences. Any cultural difference is now apparently racist according to, ironically, multiculturalists.
Besides, they are just avoiding addressing the obvious hypocrisy over the children being separated. It is obvious that was not a real concern, and now everyone is bringing up all kinds of random shit just to avoid admitting the obvious. Such dishonesty in debate irks me.
The Democrat’s game plan is transparent. Why do their followers feel the need to pretend they aren’t doing what they are obviously doing? Why all the need to disguise, insult, and deflect?
You may consider these rhetorical questions @Zagadka since they don’t apply to you.

[Tainari88]

@One Degree The issue of children and illegal immigration is not new. I have written extensively about it . In fact Rei Murasame loved my analysis of it and Wellsy dug up the old thread and PM'd me about it after I had been off the forum for years. The year 2016-2017 I worked on the issue of immigrant parents rights and getting the legal children of undocumented parents to deal with ICE and policy from school board members who thought that providing public educations to minors who might be here without authorization and denying them educations was all right. They found out it was not. The SCOTUS ruled against denying minors educations based on immigration status. Did you read the reasoning behind it? Yes or no?

[Victoribus Spolia]

The SCOTUS ruled against denying minors educations based on immigration status. Did you read the reasoning behind it? Yes or no?

Which SCOTUS case was this? I want to read the majority opinion.

[Zamuel]

The SCOTUS ruled against denying minors educations based on immigration status. Did you read the reasoning behind it? Yes or no?

I suspect you are referring to Plyler vs. Doe ? (1982) I think it was a 7-2 decision?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plyler_v._Doe

Revisions to education laws in Texas in 1975 withheld state funds for educating children who had not been legally admitted to the United States and authorized local school districts to deny enrollment to such students. A 5-to-4 majority of the Supreme Court found that this policy was in violation of the Fourteenth Amendment, as unauthorized immigrant children are people "in any ordinary sense of the term," and therefore had protection from discrimination unless a substantial state interest could be shown to justify it.

The court majority found that the Texas law was "directed against children, and impose[d] its discriminatory burden on the basis of a legal characteristic over which children can have little control"—namely, the fact of their having been brought illegally into the United States by their parents. The majority also observed that denying the children in question a proper education would likely contribute to "the creation and perpetuation of a subclass of illiterates within our boundaries(see url for more details)

If I recall this decision was strictly regarding K-12 education ?

Zam

[Godstud]

@One Degree I was never responding to what you said, but what a shitheel earlier had posted. It would make sense if you were the poster, but otherwise, probably not.

Trump's policy is abominable and pretending(because that's what it is), that it was there before, is LYING. You guys should know by now that Trump is incapable of telling the truth. That you believe everything a liar says, says a little bit about your character, as well.

[skinster]

[jimjam]

Have you ever seen a Trump rally?

The crowd at the Make America Great (Hate?) Again rally in Minnesota on Wednesday joined the president in jeering and outrage.

I hope I don't have to move to Canada to escape the concentration camps .



The President is making immigration a major issue out of a relative mole hill and in so doing, distracting from the administration's business of dismantling your government and laws. Did you know in the past couple of days you lost mandated protections for preexisting conditions in getting health insurance? Did you know they are starting to drill in an area that was once protected as a national monument? Or that protections for clean water have been eviscerated?

[maz]

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[blackjack21]

Several answers beginning with this: Obama deported way more people than Trump has. Deportations are down under Trump.

Border crossings were way down during his first year.

Trump applied to hire aliens to work at his hotels. He does not hire Americans if foreigners are cheaper.

He hires Americans, too. He hires foreigners when their aren't Americans taking the offered wages. That's perfectly legal.

Prior to Trump's idiotic zero tolerance law 99% of families caught and released on bond or OR showed up for their hearings.

Catch-and-release was a disaster. Failure-to-appear is highest in immigration courts than any other courts in the United States.

Trump's policy is abominable and pretending(because that's what it is), that it was there before, is LYING.

It was there before. Democrats liked catch-and-release, because they think Hispanics will register and vote Democrat.

You guys should know by now that Trump is incapable of telling the truth.

So what is the point in every questioning anything he says. Just assume it's false and be done with it.

That you believe everything a liar says, says a little bit about your character, as well.

I care what he does. What he says is of little consequence, other than he is an expert at trolling the political left.

I hope I don't have to move to Canada to escape the concentration camps .

The subject of the picture is easily betrayed by everyone in the background. We can all dress up like Nazis and hold Feinstein for Senate signs. It's a little tiresome, but having lived in San Francisco for 6+ years, I'm sort of used to this type of thing.

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That's a woman (man-woman?) that never shed a tear for all the black-on-black deaths on the South side of Chicago. Death of black people is fine. Someone crying "mama" reduces these people to tears. If Obama shot Hellfire missiles from a drone on to these kids, there wouldn't be an outcry. Yet, the 9th Circuit court's consent decree is somehow Trump's fault.

RASMUSSEN: PARENTS TO BLAME FOR BORDER CRISIS, NOT GOVERNMENT
This is why it's a loser for Democrats, but it requires a candidate like Trump, not Jeb Bush. Maybe Papa Bush when he had Lee Atwater running his campaign. Once they stopped that approach, Bush's presidency cratered.