I have refrained from commenting on this thread. I am disgusted at the comments I have seen here and several posters have fallen to a new low in my eyes.
Here are some facts.
The people illegally entering the US are, for the most part, committing a misdemeanor. They are not "criminals" anymore than anyone here who has had a littering, jay walking, speeding or shoplifting offense is. So let's just stop that ignorance right now.
I will use one post:
Americans strongly support stricter immigration laws. Why don’t we have them?
This cynical kind of question shows the level of ignorance this issue uncovers. Here are the fucking facts.
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hose kids are there because of Democrats not following the will of the people.
Another load of horse shit. Here are the fucking facts Skippy. (If you want to know who I am quoting go back and look. I am not going to embarrass the person by posting their abject ignorance.
Americans, including me, favor much stricter immigration laws. Why don't we have them? Because the wealthy do not want us to have them. They are getting rich and richer on the backs of illegal laborers. Get rid of illegal immigration and watch what happens to the economy. This is not subject to debate. It is just the fucking truth. More fucking truth:
We can stop illegal immigration tomorrow by doing what many of you want. That is to vigorously prosecute the people who violate immigration law. And who are those people? They are the employers who hire illegals. The penalties for that are much stronger than for illegal entry. Since the third offense is a felony these employers ARE felons. We should take their children away. Conspiring to hire illegals, which is what a great many large farmer do, could be a violation of the RICO act. They could be fined or forfeit their farms if convicted.
But here is another fact. These fat-cats give a shit load of money to both parties but particularly republicans. If we wanted to stop illegal immigration tomorrow we could do it overnight. Require strict verification of the right to work then perp-walk a few employers, recind their EIN and this shit will stop. Of course we can expect prices to skyrocket, and some food items to become unavailable. We are at full employment now. Pay attention folks. Get rid of illegals and our economy would collapse. This is not about wages, though $30.00 per hour for farm workers is not unimaginable. It is a simply supply and demand equation. We desperately need these people.
Now for the kids.
The President of the American College of Pediatrics said, after touring the concentration camps that these kids are housed in and seeing the conditions, that these kids are suffering "irreversible physical and psychological damage". We are torturing kids. Children in these concentration camps are not touched, hugged or comforted. It is impossible for a republican to understand science in any context but the research is absolutely conclusive. Not hugging, comforting and touching children leads to permanent, severe, irreversible damage. The republicans (not just Trump but mostly Trump) are torturing children. And for what? Because their parent/s committed a misdemeanor.
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry);
Compare this to the Arizona law for littering:
Class A misdemeanor. Fine up to $500 (§534.040). First conviction of intentional littering: fine between $500 and $1,000, and eight hours community service in a litter abatement program.
Should we take the children away from litterbugs? It appears we think it is twice as bad. A speeding fine in Virginia is even worse.
I am absolutely disgusted by these child abuses under the cover of authority. The republican party is responsible for this. Trump is reveling in this controversy as it energizes the profoundly stupid people who support him and it distracts from his very real problems with the law. In the upcoming elections, though I am a lifetime republican, I intend to not vote for a single republican candidate and to volunteer and give generously to their opponents. On election day I will be driving people to the polls to vote them out of office. I have already begun writing the sponsors of the Fox News shows which are supporting or even ignoring these issues.
Make no mistake. There is absolutely NO justification for these family separations under any circumstances. They are unnecessary and criminal. It is deliberate and willful child abuse. The "good Nazis" who are working in these centers are going to answer for their crimes. The "I was just following orders" argument did not work for the Nazis and they will not work for day care workers who work in places and using methods that harm children. They should walk out and not come back.. But no. Their $10.00 and hour job is so important that child abuse is justified so they can have it.
This is not a democrat problem and the Trump attempt to paint it that is failing miserably. The poster above tried to paint it as such. Utter nonsense. This is an incontrovertible fact. Trump and/or the republican congress could stop this today and reunite the children with their parents. They are the lowest form of scum. The entire republican party is little short of serial child abusers. No other words will do.
- By wat0n
- By Tainari88