Drlee wrote:I would like to ask Tianari88, exactly what it is that you would have the US do? Even if I grant that the US was responsible for some chicanery in Central and South America, what can it do now? Do you want us to invade?
This is clearly not what Tainari is calling for. She is criticising the US government for its past interference in Central American affairs, interference which had hugely negative and destructive effects on the political systems of those nations. I need only mention Nicaragua, El Salvador, Panama, and so on and so forth. The CIA even trained the soldiers of these right-wing regimes in torture techniques, so they could more effectively oppress their own people. And now you turn around and plead innocence? "Who sir? Me sir? No sir!" It's not good enough, Drlee.
I hear people complaining that we "prop up" bad regimes. I am not convinced that we have that kind of clout there.
Yes you did, and yes you do. The USA propped up Somoza in Nicaragua and Trujillo in the Dominican Republic for decades.
We have tried to fix countries before. We did fine economically in Japan and Germany. Really well actually. But we were in a position to dictate what government with which we were to deal. We can't do that in Central America. It is naive to suppose that if we just put our hands in our pockets and do nothing, that these corrupt regimes will dissolve and everyone will divide up the money and sing folk songs.
But that's more or less what
did happen when the US withdrew its support for the Trujillo regime in the Dominican Republic, following his assassination. His son tried to take power, and at first looked likely to succeed, until JFK withdrew his support. These brutal dictatorships only lasted as long as they did because the USA
wanted them to remain in power, for geopolitical reasons which should be obvious to you. You cannot now turn around and act all innocent. People are going to notice the blood dripping from your hands, so to speak.
What the US CAN do is stop being the pressure valve for these countries. We can control our own immigration and let them sort it out by themselves.
I suspect that Tainari would agree with you.
Understand though. We could stop drugs in Mexico. We could invade, occupy Mexico, impose a government that kills drug dealers on the spot and impose some sort of economic recovery. It would be bloody and it would lack an end game. It would be doing exactly what you have complained about our doing all along.
She has not asked the US to do this. In fact, the Mexican government
itself is doing this - it has been waging a brutal war against the drug cartels for more than a decade now. But so long as the huge market for drugs exists in the USA, and so long as weapons are being smuggled into Mexico from the USA, the war will never end.
I'm going with strong immigration controls, a narrow view of asylum and a hands-off of the region.
Sounds good to me.
I would remind y'all that keeping our hands off gave us Chavez in Argentina. Lovely solution to their problems, don't you think?
I presume you mean Chavez in Venezuela? Argentina is a different nation. It doesn't even start with the same letter. Lol.
And Chavez was a huge improvement on what preceded him in Venezuela.
See? I'll tell the Army to get ready to invade. We should have succeeded in getting rid of those corrupt courts and central government in a couple of weeks.
You do know that American companies employ Mexican at all because they are a bargain. Right? If you take away that bargain there will be no jobs for Mexicans. The problem is not American companies. That is just a smokescreen. The real problem is that Mexico is corrupt to the core.
And the USA
isn't corrupt to the core? And the American companies aren't just a "smokescreen" - they really do employ illegal immigrants because they are cheap labour with no rights. If the Republicans wanted to, they could end the immigration 'problem' in America overnight, by simply arresting any employer who knowingly employs illegal immigrants. Why won't they ever do that, Drlee? Hmm...?
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Marx (Groucho)
They have their own problems, you numpty.
Your knowledge of geography is as bad as your knowledge of the problem.
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