[Sivad]

[QatzelOk]

IN prison, you have to stick to your own race. Even if you're not racist.

In most of the purer forms of capitalism, you are also forced to stick to your own "race."

I guess this means that that "freedom" to exploit everything and everyone to the max of the minority, has put the majority into a kind of prison of ignorance and debt.

And all these screaming Identity Politics idiots are partially to blame for providing a distraction that allowed capital to strip away any semblance of a civil society that helps the less fortunate to achieve dignity.

[Hong Wu]

If a significant number of people on the left in the West continue down this road of playing identity politics, intersectional social justice etc they are doomed to lose that fight and it will actually make the causes they want far more difficult to achieve in the medium term and possibly longterm.

Why? Because if these particular leftists continue to retreat into their identity and see themselves and others not as individuals first, but primarily as part of victim/oppressor tribal groups ie: women/men, white/person of colour, gay/straight, and continue to antagonize the "oppressors" (mainly white, straight, often male) with their "demands", these "oppressors", who make up the dominant groups in power, will inevitably retreat into their own tribes (white, western, male etc) in order to defend themselves if that's the game the left forces them to play.

And as dominant groups with the most power & voting population, it will mean intensified political backlash by these groups mainly on the right, as well as some of those traditionally on the left drifting toward the right in order to protect themselves.

We've seen this tribal backlash with Trump, Brexit, and across other western countries in their elections, as "populist" politically incorrect leaders become elected to reform issues on immigration, culture/religion etc. where "white, western, Christian, male etc" identity is threatened.

The left can only win longterm if they remain more subtle & abandon the more radical identity politics for 2-3 more decades until the ethnic demographics of the west have changed so much from immigration/birthrates until they become the majority so they can then assume political power. If not, more rightwing backlash will mean further resistance against immigration in order maintain their own dominance. It could even produce conservative movements for whites to increase their birth rates so immigration isn't needed to sustain western populations.

OP is making a few incorrect presumptions here. Basically, he seems to be suggesting that if demographics are destiny and the left believes in their inevitable victory, why push the issue right now and potentially lose? The answer to that is that most of these people (and by extension, their movement) are not acting out of the impulses and motivations they claim to have. For most of them this is a personal thing and leftism is just how they have managed to plug their personal issues into a larger political dialogue.

[Unthinking Majority]

The answer to that is that most of these people (and by extension, their movement) are not acting out of the impulses and motivations they claim to have. For most of them this is a personal thing and leftism is just how they have managed to plug their personal issues into a larger political dialogue.

I don't understand. Please explain and elaborate.

[QatzelOk]

... most of these people (and by extension, their movement) are not acting out of the impulses and motivations they claim to have. For most of them this is a personal thing and leftism is just how they have managed to plug their personal issues into a larger political dialogue.

You are assigning too much agency to "leftists" themselves.

I spent 30 years in and out of university, and I can tell you that these institutions of higher learning changed dramatically between 1980 and 2010. Virtually all the socialism and income equality-related courses were quietly dropped, while big money was invited in to turn our learning centers into business schools that sideline any kind of historical or sociological knowledge.

Simultaneously, various commercial institutions began to promote "identity issues" (mass media, chambers of commerce, capitalist governance) as a way of taking the attention away from income equality and public input into governance.

It was a clever trick, but it worked. Today, the "left" is a useless band of competing tribes trying to out-victim each other. Meanwhile, the rich are destroying poor countries and stealing their resources while we march in Gay Pride parades and try to eradicate males and their tribe.

Commercial media is worse than MK Ultra in its reach.