Istanbuller wrote:Would you prefer Mike Pence removing all LGBT rights?
I think that would be great, but I have my doubts about Pence. I'm sure he's still somewhat of a swamp creature.
Heisenberg wrote:I doubt he'll get impeached. Millions of people look at this oafish, amoral grifter - a man who would likely skin his own mother alive if it benefited him in the short term - and see a Dear Leader who they must slavishly adore. This forum, where you might expect people to know better, is a prime example. 
I find that sort of thing hilarious. Washington is a cesspool of amoral grifters. Anybody who thinks Trump is worse than the swamp itself is just a fool.
Victoribus Spolia wrote:You think PoFo is a Trumpian paradise full of MAGA hats? 
Maybe in the SJW thread.....but thats about it. I don't like to think that the likes of Albert and Maz and indicative of the PoFo mainstream (if there even is such a thing).
It's ultimately a regional thing. I was at my aunt and uncle's last night. They are died-in-the-wool Democrats who believe virtually everything they hear from the mainstream media. Fires in California? Global warming...
Trump? Criminal. I bought some TUR since the Lira dive bombed. My uncle says, "Trump is destroying Turkey with his tariffs." The #NeverTrump people on the Republican side watch mainstream media just as the Democrats do. They believe everything the media says. The problem for them is that it is not nearly sufficient anymore to sway public opinion. The media simply doesn't have widespread credibility anymore. Where they do have credibility, people believe whatever they say. Someone gets a flat tire and the sparks start a major fire? Global warming. Some people really are that dumb.
Suntzu wrote:Yep, you are smarter than the rest of us. I know Hillary is not crooked.
Yeah. She's pure as the wind-driven snow. There's nothing wrong with killing off a campaign worker whistle blower, framing it to look like a botched mugging, and trying to sell the world on the idea that Russians hacked your server to reveal what you really think when you aren't lying to the cameras.
Heisenberg wrote:I just don't see why this requires me to kiss the feet of Trump, who apart from being barely able to string a sentence together, is a transparent sociopath to whom lying comes as naturally as breathing.
Apparently, you aren't prone to schadenfreude. Some of us enjoy seeing the establishment go to ridiculous lengths to try to destroy someone's reputation in hopes that we will not support him. My problem with Trump is that he is too nice to the swamp--and, I'm not a fan of his health care ideas either. If Trump actually peed on a bed where Barack and Michelle Obama slept, I'd think more highly of Trump. However, I think Steele memo is bullshit.
Rancid wrote:In short, no.
I think the only way it would be a yes is if they find evidence that Donald Trump directly worked with Russia to manipulate the election. However, his campaign did a good job of setting him up for a plausible deniability defense. Lots people around him will get arrested and sent to prison, but not him. That's how a well run mafia organization works. 
Thus, no.
Same as Reagan, Clinton and Bush. With Obama, the establishment decide not to even investigate his crimes. So Trump will not be removed from office on what they have now. Democrats are just wasting their time.
Heisenberg wrote:This is what I don't understand: why are there so many people who are apparently ready and willing to go to jail (for long sentences, as well) for this guy?
Who? Manafort doesn't have any info. He's being prosecuted for things that have nothing to do with Russia, and have nothing to do with the Trump campaign. Cohen is looking at jail time, and it's looking like he will have to serve it. Trump isn't going to pardon Cohen. Cohen turned to a long-time Hillary Clinton acolyte, Lanny Davis. Crooked Hillary.
Ter wrote:My guess is that he is the first politician in living memory who is doing what he promised... saving American jobs and controlling immigration.
All the others fell very, very short on that. It is the revenge of the American proletariat.
It is the revenge of the deplorables. I could care fuck all what they say about Trump, because their words have no currency with me.
B0ycey wrote:I doubt Trump will get impeached. I suspect it would need to be a solid win for the Democrats in the house for any possibility of that happening.
Well they are doing their level best. They filed charges against Duncan Hunter today. I just can't think of any good reason to vote for the Democrats on a policy basis. They just have nothing to offer but bizarro gender theories, high taxes, a moribund economy and thought police. No thanks.
B0ycey wrote:The only way I see Trump getting impeached any time soon is if Mueller digs up a big piece of dirt on Trump that he cannot lie out of. Fingers crossed.
Dirt doesn't matter. It would have to be treason, bribery, or high crimes and misdemeanors that Trump supporters actually care about. That Trump banged Stormy Daniels isn't something that people really care about, because Trump doesn't hold himself out as some sort of moral guru. If you are running around purporting to be some holy roller, and you get caught banging a hooker, your reputation is toast. If you are Donald Trump and have been doing that your whole life, but you also want a family life too, nobody really seems to care. So dirt isn't going to do it. If Democrats wanted to win badly enough, they'd have a policy session on increasing wages for working class people. They aren't going to do that though. So they are getting their just desserts.
Victoribus Spolia wrote:For this reason, its going to take nothing less than Trump destroying the economy or getting us into an actual protracted overseas conflict for his supporters to abandon him.
It will not surprise me if the Fed inverts the yield curve. They will get a recession if they do that. The risk, however, is that the real estate bubble is localized to big cities with blue state voters. In other words, they aren't going to be able to fuck over Tulsa, Oklahoma. Tanking the real estate market is going to hammer people in NYC, Boston and San Francisco--that is, Democrats. They are already getting fucked by Trump's tax bill, because they won't have the SALT deductions they used to have. Democrats are not running on restoring the SALT deduction either. Exactly why would people be passionate about voting for Democrats?
Rancid wrote:Trump is actually doing what he promised, which is unheard of in American politics. For this reason, I do believe he will get re-elected.
I think so too. He has basically saved the Supreme Court. So there's that too.
Heisenberg wrote:What promises has he kept? There was the "Muslim ban", which ended up being a brief and pointless stunt, and there was the tax cut that primarily cut taxes for the very wealthy. "The wall" is going nowhere, and certainly isn't being paid for by Mexico. His promise to stay out of Syria lasted about six months. Coal mining jobs are still declining.
Don't get me wrong, I understand why he won, but the idea that he's achieved anything concrete for "the American proletariat" is absurd.
Yes, but the idea of replacing Trump with the people who have fucked them over for 30 years isn't exactly going to be a winning formula for Democrats. As I've pointed out, even wealthy blue staters cannot look forward to the Democrats running on restoring SALT. They've placed all their eggs on essentially trying to sully the reputation of a guy who runs beauty pageants and hangs with the WWF. It's like trying to say Hulk Hogan isn't a real wrestler. All the roid rage was just a phony show--as if people didn't know that already.
Ter wrote:With the Supreme Court the raisin on top of the cream pie.
So we might see the opposite happening next time ; a democratic President being hampered by conservative judges and a conservative SCOTUS.
We already saw a lot of that with Obama. He was reversed more times in 9-0 rulings than any president in recent memory. They did successfully bribe John Roberts to uphold ObamaCare. Oh, and the utterly asinine DOMA decision.
anarchist23 wrote:Possibly, if it's anything like Watergate, as with Nixon, Trump will resign before it gets that far and be impeached. Time will tell.
Trump? Not a chance. Trump would want to be impeached, win in the Senate, and then get re-elected and gloat even more. The Democrats aren't nearly disillusioned enough. So maybe that's what needs to happen.
Victoribus Spolia wrote:Yeah, if the republicans win the house and I were Trump, I would pardon all my friends and myself and dare them to challenge it in the Supreme Court just to trigger the media.
I would rescind the Clinton's security clearances, and all the deep state actors too. That would drive them crazier than anything. Did you see how the reacted to John Brennan losing his? They were nearly apoplectic.
Electing Trump has been such sweet revenge!
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