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#14959318
Agent Steel wrote: Can a another republican replace a current republican president, or not?


Nope, but they are legally technically free to try anyway in the 2020 Primaries.

However it would logically be election suicide so no in practice they can't and shouldn't even nominate if they want their party to win. The majority would hate them anyway.

You should reassess your voting position going into 2020 and on Trump then as the likelihood of the Democrats putting up another Turd is very high.

Ok he hasn't been able to deliver some things yet, your upset with his general performance and whatnot so maby vote them in the Mid-Terms, but you should reassess in 2020 because I'm telling you they are going to put up a real turd like Schumer.... Also the Wall is going to be a long haul two/three-term project, that should have been obvious from the start.

You sound like a swinging voter, and I've traditionally been one as well. Vote them for now if you wish, but yeah 2020 is a different prospect. THEY WILL PUT A TURD UP, MARK MY WORDS!
#14959390
@Agent Steel, you don't need to justify your reasons for removing your support from Trump. Although your reasons are strong and are indeed mostly facts actually.

One Degree is just an NPC and as such will just repeat the same lines of support for Trump as always does as he has fallen, but not fully understood yet, that he is a victim of Trump propaganda. Anyone who doesn't support Trump according to him is a Liberal. He accuses the same thing onto me even though I have told him a number of times I am Centrist. So don't worry, everyone knows from the context of the majority of your posts you are definately not a Liberal. And for One Degree to say you are just proves he does not pay attention to what anyone actually writes.
#14959391
B0ycey wrote:He accuses the same thing onto me even though I have told him a number of times I am Centrist. So don't worry, everyone knows from the context of the majority of your posts you are definately not a Liberal. And for One Degree to say you are just proves he does not pay attention to what anyone actually writes.


Agent Steel is obviously a political swinger(maybe a classic liberal), not a modern liberal. I accept his opinion but I do not agree with it in this case. I don't think he should vote Democrat, I think he should give more thought into his current vote(or at least rethink his current Democrat leaning when in 2020). Ok Trump hasn't done the wall yet and has other flaws, but did you really expect the wall not to be a two term at minimum project? It's a massive undertaking.
#14959392
colliric wrote: Ok Trump hasn't done the wall yet and has other flaws, but did you really expect the wall not to be a two term at minimum project? It's a massive undertaking.


Agent Steel has some very strong conservative values @colliric, especially in regards to women rights and to at a lesser extent race rights. Perhaps he shares some socialist values too in terms of the wealth divide. I would not even consider Agent Steel a Liberal in any shape or form.

As for voting Democrats, they are another right wing party. They are in all but name the "Republican Party". So it seems to me that anyone who is a Converative who has an issue with Trump might as well vote for them as there is a slim possibility of Trump gething impeached if they get enough seats. :excited:
#14959394
B0ycey wrote:As for voting Democrats, they are another right wing party. They are in all but name the "Republican Party".

A large difference is that the Republicans always seem to have a movement, be it Reaganomics, Neocons, Tea Party, Trumpism... there is a standard to rally around. The closest the Democrats got was Obama's personality cult, but that wasn't a movement. The same personality cult thing didn't work for Hillary. There is simply no unity on the Democrat side.

The funny thing is when the Republicans call the Democrats "leftist". They can't even bother to really promote worker rights and organization, and certainly don't have a national ground. They don't have good leaders.

I mean, McConnell etc are just as bad as Pelosi etc, but they have no platform. The only idealism from the American left is Bernie.
#14959403
Why the hell did you vote for Trump in the first place?

1. He's made zero progress towards building the wall
You seriously expected him to build a wall with Mexican money. :lol:

2. He has shown little or no concern for our veterans
Again, why expect anything else.

3. He is completely unaware of human rights issues around the globe
Again, why expect anything else.

4. He has openly advocated and condoned the use of torture
He did that before the election. Again, why expect anything else.

5. He is spending money that he doesn't have
He promised to spend a trillion on infrastructure. He promised tax cuts. He promised to eliminate all debt. As expected, only the tax cuts happened. Again, why...

6. He lacks human decency and compassion
Again, why...

7. He is incapable of relating to the common man
He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Again, why...

8. He has not matured sexually
We knew about his bragging about pussy grabbing before the election. Again, why...

10. He lied about Brett Kavanaugh's hearing
Trump is a known pathological liar. Again, why...

11. He has shown that he has no understanding of the U.S. Constitution
Again, why...

Etc.
#14959417
colliric wrote:Ok Trump hasn't done the wall yet and has other flaws, but did you really expect the wall not to be a two term at minimum project? It's a massive undertaking.

If it needs a minimum of two terms to build, the fact that it isn't even close to being started halfway into the first term should be a major red flag, not an excuse! :lol:

The sad truth is you guys will continue to make excuses for this barely-educated charlatan, no matter what he does. When he said he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose support, he was more right than even he probably realised.
#14959418
@Agent Steel
Yes, my accusing you of being a liberal was not intended to say you should take a black and white approach to politics. It was more of a stimulus to review where you want the country to go. I felt your positions lacked clarity on whether you prefer a nationalist or globalist approach. This is currently imo the more important question than whether you like Trump. We should not vote based upon Trump but where different policies will lead us.
#14959445
Heisenberg wrote:If it needs a minimum of two terms to build, the fact that it isn't even close to being started halfway into the first term should be a major red flag, not an excuse! :lol:


https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/news.sk ... d-11536869

They have stated building it. The first section was unveiled this week.
#14959475
My understanding is the wall was begun long ago and has continued under Trump. Does it fall short of Trump's hyperbola? Of course but what candidate would have done more to advance a wall? Trump's main problem is that he doesn't have the backing of congress even many Republican congress people are not fully supportive of the wall. The answer is to try and change your Senator or representative not Trump. Trump doesn't seem bad in what he's achieved relative to his promises, given the limits of the Presidency.
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#14959504
B0ycey wrote:
Agent Steel has some very strong conservative values @colliric, especially in regards to women rights and to at a lesser extent race rights. Perhaps he shares some socialist values too in terms of the wealth divide. I would not even consider Agent Steel a Liberal in any shape or form.


Exactly. How many liberals can you name who actively follow and support white nationalists such as Jared Taylor? Also why can't a liberal be for strong border control?
#14959506
Agent Steel wrote:Exactly. How many liberals can you name who actively follow and support white nationalists such as Jared Taylor? Also why can't a liberal be for strong border control?


They can and many are.
#14959612
Agent Steel wrote:I did not. These are my own thoughts. I'm someone who voted for Trump in 2016. He has completely and utterly failed to deliver.

I will not be voting for him in 2018.

That is fine. You belong with all the other crazy liberal Democrats.
HalleluYah
#14959621
1. He's made zero progress towards building the wall - It has been two full years now that Trump has been in office and we have been waiting. One of the biggest campaign promises he made which got him elected was that he would build a great wall at the Mexican border. Not only has he not built the wall, but he has done absolutely nothing to even get it started. Not a single brick has been lain. What the hell? Worse yet, he has asked to borrow taxpayer money to pay for the construction of the wall, after promising us that he would get Mexico to pay for it. Now he's saying that he will get Mexico to reimburse this money after he borrows it. What a load of shit. He already broke one promise and now he expects us to believe he will follow through on this one? Whether or not you like the idea of a wall, you have to admit that it's very dishonorable to make a huge promise just to get elected and then not follow through with your promise. It shows that he's a complete fucking liar.


He still has the rest of this term + Next when he wins in 2020. He's shown 100% commitment to having it built, but there is obstructionism at every turn from the neolibs and neocons on both sides of US politics.

2. He has shown little or no concern for our veterans - Our veterans are the forgotten heroes. 300 veterans commit suicide every day. What has Donald Trump done to help them get the care they need? All he has done is issued a single weak, half-hearted statement about veterans with PTSD. Our vets deserve much better.


He has shown a great deal of concern. Showing concern and practical welfare projects in this case are two different things, the latter (like the wall) he can't implement with constant obstructionism at every turn.

3. He is completely unaware of human rights issues around the globe - After Trump's meeting with Kim Jong-un, Trump came out and stated that he trusts this man. Not a single word was given about the atrocious treatment of the people under his regime. Right now there are people suffering in the most horrible conditions imaginable in North Korea. I have looked into these prison labor camps and seen what these people go through every day. They are starved and tortured. A holocaust survivor described the conditions there as being WORSE than Auschwitz, and I believe it. The truth is, Kim Jong-un is a subhuman monster who should be assassinated, or at the very least removed from his position of power. Donald Trump has the power and the means to do this if only he would put his mind to it. That he has done nothing about this horrible situation is completely inexcusable.


Who cares about that neolib/neocon humanitarian bullshit. His lack of pretend crocodile tears humanitarian focus is an indicator that he is not like the previous presidents. A breath of fresh air. The UN should be disbanded.

4. He has openly advocated and condoned the use of torture - When asked about the use of waterboarding, Trump said that he supports it, and added that he would further implement torture that is "much worse". Putting aside the fact that the very idea of torture in a civilized world should be unthinkable, it has been widely known that it is a wholly ineffective means of interrogation. No reliable information can be achieved through the use of torture, as the torture victim will say anything they must in order to make it stop. Also, there's no question about whether waterboarding is fact torture...everyone who has been waterboarded will attest that it is.


Good. It's an excellent information gathering tactic.

5. He is spending money that he doesn't have - To be fair, Donald Trump is not unique in this area, as many presidents before him have been running up the national debt via the same circle of borrowing/spending money that isn't there. Obama was far worse in this regard to be sure. That said, the national debt has still gone up under Trump because he is doing no better a job at his finances. The country needs someone who will fix the financial crisis NOW. He has not succeeded in reversing the downward spiral in this trend, and has thereby failed in this regard.


He's growing the economy accordingly, which creates wealth which in turn increases revenue, even with lower taxes there will be more money to go around in absolute terms.

6. He lacks human decency and compassion - In the time that Trump has been in office, a number of horrible and tragic events have took place. In none of these instances have I seen the man express any genuine, heartfelt condolences towards the victims of these various tragedies. After watching the way he half-heartedly expressed himself on live television in regards to the victims of Hurricane Michael, I knew something was seriously wrong with this man. You can see and hear the complete lack of sincerity in his face and in his words. It's like he's not quite a real human being, more like some kind of sociopath.


LOL. Any politician that tells you he or she is working in the interests of compassion is a lying sack of shit. Trump is exactly what he appears to be.

7. He is incapable of relating to the common man - Similar to the previous reason, Donald Trump has for too long lived a life of comfort and luxury, and is therefore totally incapable of knowing or understanding the struggle that the common working man has to go through. Most Americans struggle and have to work hard every day, but because Trump does not, he is ill-equipped to offer help and support in this area. He is more interested in helping those in his social class and income status, that is, the upper 1%. Meanwhile the other 99% are still struggling very hard every day while Donald Trump is the president.


As opposed to who in the US political establishment? Which multi millionaire US senator or former presidential candidate could 100% relate to people with normal salaries and living conditions? That's right, no-one. Trump does a better job than most as he isn't afraid to get his hands dirty and mingle with the dirty peasants. Hence one rally after another.

8. He has not matured sexually - It's perfectly normal and to be expected for a young man in his teens or twenties to behave in ways that we might deem as inappropriate due to his sexual hormones firing off combined with a lack of experience and maturity. A young man can get away with "locker room talk". But when you're over the age of 50 and you're still acting that way, that's just fucked up. A man is expected to grow and mature as time goes on. Having and maintaining a strong sexual drive is a good thing, a wonderful thing, but it's the way you go about it, how your express it, that says something about your character. It's also NOT OK to express sexual attraction towards your own daughter. That shit is pretty fucking disturbing to say the least.


Or maybe your sexual maturity was stunted by religion/feminism/insert retarded element here? Your perspective of Trump is directly contingent on your own views on the matter. Sexual Puritans aren't mature, they're stunted. No biological male is supposed to treat women as equals, even according to nature.

9. He had dinner with Kanye West - I have no idea why Trump felt it was worth spending his valuable time as President with this complete fucking douchebag. And then to televise the meeting right there in the White House, and to give this dummy a chance to speak his mind about national issues as if his opinion had any merit to it whatsoever; that is truly an embarrassment and an insult to the entire nation.


He also had 2 scoops of ice cream.

10. He lied about Brett Kavanaugh's hearing - Donald Trump is correct to say that a person should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. This is of course a very important tenet of our justice system. However, he told an outright lie when he stated that Kavanaugh was "proven innocent", and then went ahead and prematurely deemed the case closed without further investigation. It was totally unnecessary to lie, as it would have been impossible for anyone to actually prove that he was guilty. The right thing he should have done is to at least allow an FBI investigation which would have come up with nothing, and only then move on and appoint the man. But he instead decided to lie about it, which was just dumb.


Why should Trump care about the details of a fake witch hunt invented by Trump's opponents?

11. He has shown that he has no understanding of the U.S. Constitution - The 14th amendment expressly states in no uncertain terms that all persons who are born within the United States are considered legal U.S. citizens. It's not up for interpretation. Trump has suggested that in spite of the very clear wording of the Constitution, there is still somehow a way for him to be allowed to deport people who were born here, including even innocent children. By attempting to violate the document that you swore to uphold, you are committing an act of treason, one of the highest crimes thinkable as President of the United States.


As if that's even relevant, considering the neolibs and neocons piss on the constitution on a daily basis, the republicans with their patriot act antics, the Democrats with their constant quest for abolitionism of firearms and for increasing censorship. What trumps personal interpretation is in this context hardly matters.

12. He didn't really win the 2016 election - Rigorous investigation from hundreds of experts within our CIA have found conclusive proof that Russia interfered in our presidential election. You can dismiss one or two claims of collusion, but you can't dismiss facts. Literally all who have conducted a thorough investigation on the matter have concluded beyond any shadow of a doubt that there existed collusion between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin.


He won despite the DNC employing millions of illegals at voting stations. The Russia thing is fake news. So he won extra hard.

With this nonsense, you clearly never supported anyone other than the DNC, shill.
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#14959623
Igor Antunov wrote:Who cares about that neolib/neocon humanitarian bullshit. His lack of humanitarian focus is an indicator that he is not like the previous presidents. A breath of fresh air. The UN should be disbanded.


Besides this is the Job of the First Lady Melania Trump anyway......

And she's doing a fucken way better job at that than the last one did. She just had a great full on trip to Africa and saw alot of poverty and inequality.

Do people really that hardcore forget this is the main job of the First Lady?

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