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Sivad wrote:The CDC refused the FOIA request because the CDC didn't have any science to back up its claims. When the CDC was forced to provide something, it could only come up with irrelevant studies that had nothing whatsoever to do with the specific vaccines ICAN requested science on.

The FOIA was for the science on DTaP, Engerix-B, Prevnar 13, Hib, and IPV. The CDC didn't have any science on any of those, instead they gave ICAN some irrelevant studies on MMR, Thimerosal, antigens, and one IOM review saying there was no science on DTaP.


I have already discussed the FOIA lawsuit and the subsequent settlement.

What exactly is wrong with the studies provided?

Take the first one, for example. What is wrong with “A Population-Based Study of Measles, Mumps, and Rubella Vaccination and Autism” by Kreesten Meldgaard Madsen, M.D., Anders Hviid, M.Sc., Mogens Vestergaard, M.D., Diana Schendel, Ph.D., Jan Wohlfahrt, M.Sc., Poul Thorsen, M.D., Jørn Olsen, M.D., and Mads Melbye, M.D.?

Here is the study in full, so you can quote directly from the text to support your claim:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa021134
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Sivad wrote:Are you pretending that you don't speak English now or something? re to the tard to the ed.


No.

You and ICAN are simply being very vague about what your claim is.

What do the studies show or fail to show?

Do they provide evidence that the supposed link between vaccines and autism does not exist?

Yes, they do.

So, what do you mean when they are “irrelevant”?
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I speak more languages than you do.

I am also able to, for example, tell people what my argument is.

Can you?

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I would like to illustrate how @Sivad failed on a logical level:

Imagine a man named Adam who argues that 2+2=4.

And imagine his friend, Bea, who thinks 2+2=5.

Bea (B) asks Adam (A) for proof.

A gives B a mathematical proof, showing that 1+1=2.

B points out that this is not proof that 2+2=4.

B then claims that 2+2 does not equal 4 because A does not have the required proof.

Is B right?

No, because the veracity of A’s claim is independent of whether or not A has the correct proof in his pocket.

Similarly, Sivad is wrong when he thinks the CDC is wrong because they did not provide the exact study ICAN asked for.

The truth of the fact that vaccines do not cause autism is independent of whether or not the CDC has a particular study on file.
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Sivad wrote:the parents of yet another child with autism spectrum disorder (ASD) were awarded a lump sum of more than $810,000 (plus an estimated $30-40,000 per year for autism services and care) in compensation by the Court, which ruled that the measels-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine had caused acute brain damage that led to his autism spectrum disorder.

The family of 10-year-old Bailey Banks won their case quietly and without fanfare in June of 2007, but the ruling has only now come to public attention. In the remarkably clear and eloquent decision, Special Master Richard Abell ruled that the Banks had successfully demonstrated that “the MMR vaccine at issue actually caused the conditions from which Bailey suffered and continues to suffer.”

Bailey’s diagnosis is Pervasive Developmental Disorder — Not Otherwise Specified (PDD-NOS) which has been recognized as an autism spectrum disorder by CDC, HRSA and the other federal health agencies since at least the 1990s.

In his conclusion, Special Master Abell ruled that Petitioners had proven that the MMR had directly caused a brain inflammation illness called acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM) which, in turn, had caused the autism spectrum disorder PDD-NOS in the child:

The Court found that Bailey’s ADEM was both caused-in-fact and proximately caused by his vaccination. It is well-understood that the vaccination at issue can cause ADEM, and the Court found, based upon a full reading and hearing of the pertinent facts in this case, that it did actually cause the ADEM. Furthermore, Bailey’s ADEM was severe enough to cause lasting, residual damage, and retarded his developmental progress, which fits under the generalized heading of Pervasive Developmental Delay, or PDD [an autism spectrum disorder]. The Court found that Bailey would not have suffered this delay but for the administration of the MMR vaccine, and that this chain of causation was... a proximate sequence of cause and effect leading inexorably from vaccination to Pervasive Developmental Delay.

The Bailey decision is not an isolated ruling. We now know of at least two other successful ADEM cases argued in Vaccine Court. More significantly, an explosive investigation by CBS News has found that since 1988, the vaccine court has awarded money judgments, often in the millions of dollars, to thirteen hundred and twenty two families whose children suffered brain damage from vaccines. In many of these cases, the government paid out awards following a judicial finding that vaccine injury lead to the child’s autism spectrum disorder. In each of these cases, the plaintiffs’ attorneys made the same tactical decision made by Bailey Bank’s lawyer, electing to opt out of the highly charged Omnibus Autism Proceedings and argue their autism cases in the regular vaccine court. In many other successful cases, attorneys elected to steer clear of the hot button autism issue altogether and seek recovery instead for the underlying brain damage that caused their client’s autism.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/vaccine- ... a_b_169673


The permanent damage was caused by acute disseminated encephalomyelitis.

The most likely cause of this particular disease is a preceding infection. Examples of viruses that can cause this particular disease are measles, mumps, and rubella.

In other words, you are more likely to get acute disseminated encephalomyelitis from measles, mumps, or rubella than from the vaccine.

So, if the goal is to reduce the likelihood of neurological damage from acute disseminated encephalomyelitis, then we should support the use of vaccines.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:you are more likely to get acute disseminated encephalomyelitis from measles, mumps, or rubella than from the vaccine.


You don't know that, nobody knows that because no vaccine has ever been properly studied for safety.

And there's good reason to think that vaccines are far more dangerous than natural infection because vaccines contain all kinds of foreign proteins and chemicals that wreak havoc on the immune system.




"A recent study at UCLA estimates that as many as 1 in every 13 children had persistent, high-pitched crying after the DTP shot. This may be indicative of brain damage in the recipient child— "You know, we start off with healthy infants, and we pop them not once, but three or four times with a vaccine. The probability of causing damage is the same each time. My greatest fear is that very few of them escape some kind of neurological damage out of this." - Dr. Bobby Young



Dr. Bobby Young — professor of microbiology at the University of Maryland and a former researcher at the National Cancer Institute and the National Institutes of Health.

He earned a doctorate at Johns Hopkins University in 1965 and joined the faculty of the University of Maryland as an associate professor in 1969. His particular interest was genetics and vaccines. In 1970, he was named acting chairman of the department of microbiology and then was chairman from 1971 to 1975. He was appointed a full professor at that time.
#15110278
Sivad wrote:You don't know that, nobody knows that because no vaccine has ever been properly studied for safety.



    The exact cause of ADEM is not known. However, most clinical investigators agree that the disorder is most likely the result of an abnormal immune system response to an infection or other trigger. Many researchers suggest that ADEM may represent an abnormal immune reaction directed against the body’s own tissues (autoimmune disorder). In autoimmune disorders, the body’s natural defenses (e.g., antibodies, lymphocytes) against substances that are perceived as foreign (antigens) inappropriately begin to attack healthy tissues, for unknown reasons.

    ADEM often develops following an upper respiratory tract infection, usual of viral cause. Specific agents that have been identified as resulting in ADEM include influenza, measles, mumps, rubella, varicella-zoster, Epstein Barr virus, cytomegalovirus, and herpes simplex virus. Some bacterial agents can also bring about ADEM.

    Less often, ADEM may develop following a vaccination. Certain antirabies vaccinations have been linked to the development of the disorder. Other vaccinations that are believed to potentially result in the development of ADEM include the smallpox vaccination and certain older measles vaccinations. In rare cases, immunizations against pertussis (whooping cough) and influenza have been linked to ADEM. In extremely rare cases, ADEM has occurred following an organ transplant. The risk of developing ADEM is extremely low and should not preclude routine vaccinations as recommended.

https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/ ... omyelitis/

And there's good reason to think that vaccines are far more dangerous than natural infection because vaccines contain all kinds of foreign proteins and chemicals that wreak havoc on the immune system.


Provide evidence for this claim.

"A recent study at UCLA estimates that as many as 1 in every 13 children had persistent, high-pitched crying after the DTP shot. This may be indicative of brain damage in the recipient child— "You know, we start off with healthy infants, and we pop them not once, but three or four times with a vaccine. The probability of causing damage is the same each time. My greatest fear is that very few of them escape some kind of neurological damage out of this." - Dr. Bobby Young



Dr. Bobby Young — professor of microbiology at the University of Maryland and a former researcher at the National Cancer Institute and the National Institutes of Health.

He earned a doctorate at Johns Hopkins University in 1965 and joined the faculty of the University of Maryland as an associate professor in 1969. His particular interest was genetics and vaccines. In 1970, he was named acting chairman of the department of microbiology and then was chairman from 1971 to 1975. He was appointed a full professor at that time.


Provide a link to the study.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:ADEM



A New Theory of Autism Causation?
By David Kirby

A ruling from Federal Vaccine Court — that MMR vaccine caused an autism spectrum disorder in a young boy named Bailey Banks — flies directly in the face of the triple-play decision against a vaccine-autism link issued by the Court on February 12.

The Special Masters in those three cases inferred that the vaccine-autism theory was the stuff of Alice in Wonderland fantasy, and virtually accused the childrens’ physicians of medical malpractice. (CNN’s Dr. Sanjay Gupta called the Court’s language “snide,” and we agree).

Meanwhile, the US Department of Health and Human services said the rulings should “help reassure parents that vaccines do not cause autism.” But why should parents feel reassured when two out of five autism cases (40%) – that we know of – have won taxpayer-funded compensation in Vaccine Court?

The Ruling

In his decision, Special Master Abell ruled that the MMR vaccine produced a side effect in Bailey called acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM). ADEM is a neurological disorder characterized by inflammation of the brain and spinal cord. The disorder results in damage to the myelin sheath, a fatty coating that insulates nerve fibers in the brain. ADEM can be caused by natural infections, especially from the measles virus. But it also is a recognized post-vaccination injury, especially from vaccines for rabies, pertussis, influenza, and MMR.

Evidence presented to support an MMR-ADEM link was compelling. It included a 1994 report from the Institute of Medicine that said it was biologically plausible for a vaccine to “induce… an autoimmune response… by nonspecific activation of the T cells directed against myelin proteins.”
In fact, both parties in the Banks case agreed “that the IOM has cited demonstrative evidence of a biologically plausible relation between the measles vaccine and demyelinating diseases such as ADEM,” the Court wrote.

Most cases of ADEM (80%) are in children. Symptoms usually appear within a few days to a couple of weeks. They include: headache, delirium, lethargy, seizures, stiff neck, fever, ataxia (incoordination), optic nerve damage, nausea, vomiting, weight loss, irritability and changes in mental status.

I know of thousands of parents who witnessed many of these same symptoms afflict their children shortly after vaccination, most typically the MMR. Did these children with autism also suffer initially from ADEM or some subclinical version of the disorder? We may never know (physical signs like myelin damage are transitory).

Bailey Banks was given an MRI when his parents brought him to the hospital 16 days after his MMR vaccine, and that helped confirm his diagnosis. The children I know who were brought in with similar symptoms were instead given Tylenol and told to go home.

(Interestingly, Tylenol can affect production of glutathione, an essential antioxidant and detoxifier. A preliminary study from UC San Diego showed that children who were given Tylenol after their MMR vaccine were several times more likely to develop autism than other children. “Tylenol and MMR was significantly associated with autistic disorder,” the authors wrote. “More research needs to be completed to confirm the results of this preliminary study.”)

Is vaccine-induced ADEM (and similar disorders) a neurological gateway for a subset of children to go on and develop an ASD? That question will now become subject to debate. Thousands of parents have reported similar reactions and symptoms following vaccination, yet they lack radiological proof of ADEM or related disorders in the form of an MRI. Meanwhile, most children with autism do not present with myelin damage, but many do test positive for antibodies to myelin basic protein (MBP).

Also worth noting is that ADEM causes an inflammatory response in the brain, primarily in the microglial cells. It is also associated with abnormal cytokine levels in the brain, and with autoimmunity. Autism, meanwhile, has been linked to brain inflammation, microglial cell activation, cytokine imbalances, and autoimmunity.

In most cases, symptoms of ADEM disappear within a few weeks or so, and the disorder may be treated with IV cortisone to help reduce inflammation. But none of the children with autism that I know were ever examined or treated for a possible case of ADEM or other acute cases of encephalitis/demyelinating disorder. By now, their myelin damage may have repaired itself, yet the damaging agents, (MBP antibodies), persist.

ADEM is said to be rare, but the disorder may be grossly under-diagnosed (or misdiagnosed). Even the government’s chief witness against Bailey’s case testified that he sees patients with ADEM “on a fairly regular basis.” What’s more, Bailey’s was the third successful vaccine-ADEM case argued in Vaccine Court (that we know of) so far.

Can ADEM Cause PDD/ASD?

Special Master Abell had no trouble linking MMR to ADEM in Bailey Banks’ case. But linking his ADEM to PDD/ASD was more difficult.

There is no medical literature to support an ADEM-PDD link. The government’s expert witness, Dr. John MacDonald, testified that “all the medical literature is negative in that regard.” Instead, he proposed an alternative hypothesis for Bailey’s PDD (he suggested it was caused by glucose transporter 1 deficiency).

But Special Master Abell berated the government’s witness in much the same way that Hastings et al. had criticized witnesses for the families in their three cases.

“This (glucose) hypothesis, which (MacDonald) declined to incorporate as a plausible, probable theory of explanation, was used by Respondent to blunt Petitioner’s theory of ADEM,” Abell wrote. “This hypothesis was not given to a reasonable degree of medical probability or certainty, and Respondent’s expert admitted that it was merely ‘a possible, not necessarily a probable diagnosis.'”

Abell also chided MacDonald for his assertion that “all the medical literature is negative” in regards to an ADEM-PDD link. “However, soon thereafter, he corrected this statement by clarifying, ‘I can find no literature relating ADEM to autism or [PDD],'” Abell wrote. “It may be that Respondent’s research reveals a dearth of evidence linking ADEM to PDD, but that is not the same as positive proof that the two are unrelated, something Respondent was unable to produce. Therefore, the statement that ‘all the medical literature is negative’ is incorrect.”

The Court also took MacDonald to task for insisting that Bailey’s initial symptoms were not 100% consistent with the signs of ADEM. “His distinction seems one of degree, not of type, and strikes as a trifle semantic,” Abell sniffed. He also noted that McDonald was having a hard time determining Bailey’s current diagnosis. “He ultimately concluded that ‘Bailey falls into the large group of children with autism/PDD in which by our current evidence-based medicine we rarely can make a specific diagnosis.'”

Special Master Abell seemed to lend more credence to witnesses for the Banks family.

Chief among them was Dr. Ivan Lopez, a neurologist and psychiatrist. Dr. Lopez testified that “the majority of patients with ADEM improve significantly,” but added that “the exception to this rule is when patients have been exposed to measles, just like in the case of MMR vaccine,” in which case subsequent brain damage “may occur in up to 50 percent of patients.” He said such events include “mental syndromes such as PDD and others,” and opined that “up to 50 percent of patients…who have had ADEM will show (PDD) as a consequence.”

Dr. Lopez, a member of the US Military, gave his testimony by phone from Mobile, AL where, the next day, he was to ship out for a tour of duty in Iraq.

In his conclusion, Special Master Abell wrote:
The Court found that Bailey’s ADEM was both caused-in-fact and proximately caused by his vaccination. It is well-understood that the vaccination at issue can cause ADEM, and the Court found, based upon a full reading and hearing of the pertinent facts in this case, that it did actually cause the ADEM. Furthermore, Bailey’s ADEM was severe enough to cause lasting, residual damage, and retarded his developmental progress, which fits under the generalized heading of Pervasive Developmental Delay, or PDD. The Court found that Bailey would not have suffered this delay but for the administration of the MMR vaccine, and that this chain of causation was not too remote, but was rather a proximate sequence of cause and effect leading inexorably from vaccination to Pervasive Developmental Delay.

And he added this:

Petitioner’s theory of PDD caused by vaccine-related ADEM causally connects the vaccination and the ultimate injury, and does so by explaining a logical sequence of cause and effect showing that the vaccination was the ultimate reason for the injury.

Does Bailey Banks Have Autism?

Bailey Banks does not have “classic” or full-blown autism. But he has been diagnosed with PDD-NOS, which is squarely on the autism spectrum of disorders. There was quite a bit of back-and-forth on Bailey’s diagnosis in the ruling, whose heading included the term “Non-autistic developmental delay.” At several points in the proceedings, witnesses took great pains to say that Bailey does not have “autism” which, technical speaking, is true.

On the other hand, Special Master Abell included notations declaring that “Pervasive Developmental Delay describes a class of conditions, and it is apparent from the record that the parties and the medical records are referring to Pervasive Developmental Disorder Not Otherwise Specified (PDD-NOS).”

Even so, some will argue that Bailey does not have an ASD. They are simply wrong. The diagnosis of PDD-NOS was added to the list of autism spectrum disorders in the 1980s. It was precisely from the inclusion of these “milder” cases into the total number, that the CDC came up with the estimate of 1-in-150 US children with some form of “autism/ASD.”

So, if Bailey does not have ASD, then the number of “autism” cases is well below the 1-in-150 mark and needs to be revised downward (the CDC once estimated that 40% of ASD cases were “non-autistic” in the classic sense).

What’s more, Bailey does not have a “mild” form of ASD — he struggles every day with endless challenges. He receives autism services in his home state and attends a special school for children with autism. Bailey was also completely eligible to file a case in the Court’s Omnibus Autism Proceedings (OAP), along with 5,000 other claims.

And besides, if the government chooses after-the-fact to argue that Banks simply has another form of brain damage but not, specifically “autism,” is that really any comfort?

This particular theory of causation — Vaccine-to-ADEM-to-ASD — is different from the three cases that lost, and different than the theory in the Hannah Poling case (vaccine-induced aggravation of an underlying mitochondrial dysfunction caused full-blown autism).

So we now have two novel theories of how vaccines might contribute to ASD — both ADEM and mitochondrial dysfunction are recognized by the Court as contributing factors.

And yet the government insists it has never made an award for vaccine induced ASD, just vaccine related ASD.

“The government has never compensated, nor has it ever been ordered to compensate, any case based on a determination that autism was actually caused by vaccines,” said David Bowman, a spokesman for HHS’s Health Resources and Services Administration. “We have compensated cases in which children exhibited an encephalopathy, or general brain disease. Encephalopathy may be accompanied by a medical progression of an array of symptoms including autistic behavior, autism, or seizures.”

“Some children who have been compensated for vaccine injuries may have shown signs of autism before the decision to compensate,” he added, “or may ultimately end up with autism or autistic symptoms, but we do not track cases on this basis.

Unfortunately, the track record on vaccines is cloudy in this particular Court: Three out of four ADEM cases have been successful; and (at least) two out of five ASD cases have also won.

People will argue that ADEM is rare; that vaccines “only” caused PDD in Bailey; and that this was a legal and not scientific decision. The problem is we don’t know how prevalent ADEM is because we never looked; while “PDD” is interchangeable with “ASD” in the language of public health. And, the three cases that lost were also “legal” decisions.

Robert Kennedy, Jr. and I would love nothing more than to reassure parents that the nation’s current vaccine program is 100% safe for all kids, and that zero credible evidence has been presented to link vaccines with autism. But that simply isn’t true — as at least two court cases have found.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f- ... 69673.html
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Having done a lot of research on this beforehand: there are credible scientists on both sides of the vaccines-are-for-everyone debate.

Real science involves debating the pros and cons of both sides.

That this open discussion is absent in discussion about mass vaccination campaigns... everyone is convinced that their opinion is good and others are evil... and this is the side effects of corporate propaganda.

And which side of the debate are Giant Corporations on? The side that you can make money off of patents with.

Just as Monsanto has convinced many people that chemical-food that is patented is necessary to feed the world, Big Pharma seems to have convinced people that health starts with patented chemical injections. And of course, there are no side effects because... uh... patents and money. And listen to this hand-chosen scientist.

Heroine addicts seem to be in the same mental space as pro-vaxxers: "Success through syringe usage."
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QatzelOk wrote:Having done a lot of research on this beforehand: there are credible scientists on both sides of the vaccines-are-for-everyone debate.

Real science involves debating the pros and cons of both sides.

That this open discussion is absent in discussion about mass vaccination campaigns... everyone is convinced that their opinion is good and others are evil... and this is the side effects of corporate propaganda.

And which side of the debate are Giant Corporations on? The side that you can make money off of patents with.

Just as Monsanto has convinced many people that chemical-food that is patented is necessary to feed the world, Big Pharma seems to have convinced people that health starts with patented chemical injections. And of course, there are no side effects because... uh... patents and money. And listen to this hand-chosen scientist.

Heroine addicts seem to be in the same mental space as pro-vaxxers: "Success through syringe usage."


:lol:
Except if this was some sort of conspiracy theory in which corporations wants to make $$$... the real money is not in making 1 vaccine that protects people from getting the disease. The real profit is in letting people get sick and then sell them a treatment that last weeks, months or even better indefinitely.
Corporations make big money on treating chronic diseases. Statins for people with high cholesterol? sure.
Anticoagulations to reduce risk of stroke and/or blood clots on people with atrial fibrillation or propensity for clots? You bet!
Lifelong anti-platelet medication such as Brillinta which can cost about $500/month and people that get heart attack needs to be on it no less than 1 year and in many cases lifelong? Absolutely
HIV medications which in many cases is treated with not 1 drug but a combination of 3 drugs +/- antibiotics? YAY!

I mean... those corporations that you are dealing with are really dumb, if I was one of those evil corporations I'd stop making vaccines for influenza and start selling cough medicine and tamiflu.
Stop making TDAP and start selling more ventilators and sedation medicine.
Stop selling HPV vaccine and start selling chemotherapy for cervical cancer.

Your nonsense is such, that even if you buy into it you can quickly realize how fucking retarded those arguments are.
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XogGyux wrote::lol:
Except if this was some sort of conspiracy theory in which corporations wants to make $$$...

It's amazing how many otherwise educated people in rich countries don't realize that "conspiracies" are just another name for secretive "money-making" campaigns. And these money-making schemes are always secretive so that no one else "steals" the idea, (or changes the laws of the land to avoid the abuse that is to come.)

And the very corporations that secretly come up with money-making campaigns, are also the owners of the commercial media that tells you that 'conspiracy theories' are dumb and evil. "Just believe what you see in commercial media, and buy the products that are presented to you as solutions" is their message.

This kind of cooperative-stupidity has created many victims throughout history.

Also, this particular virus demands that we stop associating with other people - thus, becoming incredibly vulnerable to corporate propaganda in the process. This gives mass media lots of time to "prepare" our brains for mandatory vaccines with mandatory chips implanted. For health.

Just like letting the government spy on all of us, kill innocent people with drones, and bomb a half a dozen oil-producing countries.... was to keep us "safe" from another media-created fear.

Also, the same corporations that want us to be "safe" now (with expensive, patented drugs) have been callously strip-mining our ecosystems and trying to reduce our incomes... for my entire life.

What rock have the rest of you been living under?
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QatzelOk wrote:It's amazing how many otherwise educated people in rich countries don't realize that "conspiracies" are just another name for secretive "money-making" campaigns. And these money-making schemes are always secretive so that no one else "steals" the idea, (or changes the laws of the land to avoid the abuse that is to come.)

And the very corporations that secretly come up with money-making campaigns, are also the owners of the commercial media that tells you that 'conspiracy theories' are dumb and evil. "Just believe what you see in commercial media, and buy the products that are presented to you as solutions" is their message.

This kind of cooperative-stupidity has created many victims throughout history.

Also, this particular virus demands that we stop associating with other people - thus, becoming incredibly vulnerable to corporate propaganda in the process. This gives mass media lots of time to "prepare" our brains for mandatory vaccines with mandatory chips implanted. For health.

Just like letting the government spy on all of us, kill innocent people with drones, and bomb a half a dozen oil-producing countries.... was to keep us "safe" from another media-created fear.

Also, the same corporations that want us to be "safe" now (with expensive, patented drugs) have been callously strip-mining our ecosystems and trying to reduce our incomes... for my entire life.

What rock have the rest of you been living under?

Your local tinfoil supplier must be making bank!
tracking chips on vaccines? :lol: OMG, you been telling me that all this time that we have been struggling to make our computers and cellphones smaller with decent batteries and with shitty reception... and somehow we have been getting microscopic chips inside our vaccines? :lol: How fucking self-centered and self-important are you?
Seriously.... the shit that you are writing would appear stupid in a crappy tv-series let alone real life. You are not that important to deserve some sort of cutting edge microscopic tracking chip, not to mention nobody needs to put a chip... Amazon already knows all your dirty secrets just by what you buy and you willingly put all this stuff through a computer/internet so you can also bet your ISP also has access....
But somehow.... you still get a vaccine chip. Fucking retarded.

You take something with a bit of true (corporations are de-humanized entities that does not have the best interest of people in mind) and blow it out of proportion to depict some kind of fantasy-dystopian non-sense. You are a hindrance to any sort of real productive debate for what you claim is your cause and your values.
I don't live under rocks... I like to see the sunlight from time to time. You should get out of your bunker from time to time and take off your tinfoil hat and let the sun shine in your head, maybe the warmth will be enough to melt the non-sense out.
#15110477
XogGyux wrote:Your local tinfoil supplier must be making bank!
tracking chips on vaccines? :lol: OMG


I think your mask must be fitted too tight.

Here's an article that you must not read whatever you do if you don't want a tinfoil hat stapled onto your head by MSM.

Biometric Update wrote:ID2020 and partners launch program to provide digital ID with vaccines

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The ID2020 Alliance has launched a new digital identity program at its annual summit in New York, in collaboration with the Government of Bangladesh, vaccine alliance Gavi, and new partners in government, academia, and humanitarian relief.

The program to leverage immunization as an opportunity to establish digital identity was unveiled by ID2020 in partnership with the Bangladesh Government’s Access to Information (a2i) Program, the Directorate General of Health Services, and Gavi, according to the announcement. ...


I found the above article with the following google search:
https://www.google.com/search?client=fi ... ccine+chip

This program has already started in Bangladesh, and you are still claiming that it doesn't exist. Now THAT'S some pretty intense propaganda.
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