[Unthinking Majority]

First of all, you are discussing the rationale for colonialism; i.e. it is okay for North American settler nations to engage in colonialism it allows indigenous people to benefit from Now, do you agree that these supposed benefits justify colonialism.

What we need to accept is that things have happened, we can't change the past, we're not going to kick white people out of cities they built over native lands, and white people aren't going to move away. We're all here now, we just have to make the best of it.

That means doing this like respecting indigenous group's sovereignty and land rights, funding their infrastructure/education/healthcare etc. like we would any other community. Nobody should be forcing natives to do much of anything, besides obeying the law, which is reasonable.

[Pants-of-dog]

What we need to accept is that things have happened, we can't change the past, we're not going to kick white people out of cities they built over native lands, and white people aren't going to move away. We're all here now, we just have to make the best of it.

That means doing this like respecting indigenous group's sovereignty and land rights, funding their infrastructure/education/healthcare etc. like we would any other community. Nobody should be forcing natives to do much of anything, besides obeying the law, which is reasonable.

And the first step should be to end the ongoing colonialist relationship.

[Unthinking Majority]

And the first step should be to end the ongoing colonialist relationship.

What does that mean, specifically?

[Pants-of-dog]

The end of unilateral impositions on indigenous people by Washington, for one.

[Rich]

The last one of significance being held by a European power was Zimbabwe in 1980.

Rhodesia made their UDI in 1965.

[Drlee]

In his usual way POD has ignored the fact that the rest of us reject that colonialism continues WRT native Americans. The very idea is preposterous. But as is typical with the left, he uses loaded language accomplishing two things. First he puts us in laughter mode. Second he diminishes the term itself making the definition so broad that is looses any practical meaning. A similar example would be the use of the term -phobic. Wrong in the first place and diluted to death.

He also attempts to argue somehow that pre Anglo America was some kind of unified society. This could not be further from the truth. There was no unified society. The aboriginal Americans did not assert any such thing. They might have occasionally traded with adjacent people but they were just as likely to kill them and take their stuff/land/women....whatever. This is not something in historical dispute. There were even examples where Native Americans ate one another more than was polite.

The fact remains that the people living in America when the whites arrived were inevitably going to clash with the modern world. They were inevitably going to lose the clash. That they exist today at all is a bit of remarkable and that they retain any tribal affiliation, not to mention the shear number of tribes that survive, is little short of a miracle. It is a testimonial to the forward thinking and even compassion of the US government.

POS would have us believe that they are being abused. They most certainly are not. For example. The original treaty with the Thono O'odham nation (where I live) called for the provision of a doctor and a school teacher. What do they have now? A complete hospital and dental clinic, administered by the tribe, paid for by the federal government and absolutely free to tribal members. This is a much better deal that white Americans have.
Here is POD's idea of colonialism:

The Nation is organized into 11 local districts.[21][11] Nine districts are located on the Tohono Oʼodham Indian Reservation with the Gila Bend and San Xavier reservations, which are separated from the main reserve, making up the other two.[21]

The government of the Tohono Oʼodham Nation is made up of three branches: executive, judicial, and legislative.[3] The executive includes the chairmen and vice chairmen of the 11 districts, the judicial is composed of the judges and courts, and the legislative consists of the tribal council representatives from each of the administrative districts. As a whole, the Tohono Oʼodham Nation is governed by a democratically elected chairperson and legislative council. All of the reservations are overseen administratively by a central government located in Sells. As of 2014, the Nation's current Chairman is Edward D. Manuel and the Vice Chairman is Verlon M. Jose.[23] The Nation's Chief Justice is Violet Lui-Frank, and the Legislative Chairman is Timothy Joaquin Gu Achi.[23]

The Tohono Oʼodham Nation operates its own educational system, which includes Tohono Oʼodham Community College, a fire department and several recreation centers, a health center, a nursing home, and a public utilities company.[24][25]
Economy

Economic support for the tribe comes from a variety of sources. Some of the Tohono Oʼodham still farm or engage in subsistence ranching.[4] The tribe sells and leases copper mineral rights to support itself.[3] Gambling from the three casinos that the tribe operates has become the major source of support for the tribe in terms of revenue and jobs creation.[4][3] The tribe operates the Tohono Oʼodham Utility Authority a tribal firm established in 1970 to provide electric and water service to the reservation.[3] Basket weaving remains an economic pursuit; the tribe produces more basketry than any other tribe in the United States.[3]

And this is colonialism? The very idea is laughable. Nor is this tribe unusual.

POD is wrong. He is painting a picture that does not exist in practice. Now if he has some questions about the distribution of wealth in the TO nation I suggest he take it up with them. The US government does not appear to have a dog in the fight.

But there is the left for you. Imagining insults where not are present. The left never asking people who are having issues to take responsibility. After all. There is always someone else to blame.

I offer to you his assertion that lifestyle diseases are the fault of some mythical colonial government. They are not. If he wants to blame someone I suggest he blame the autonomous tribe that can't educate its people about the dangers of processed sugar on the genetics of some aboriginals. But according to POD they are just not up to the task.

[Verv]

Rhodesia made their UDI in 1965.

Oh, wow, I guess this source is wrong:

Zimbabwe, Republic of April 18, 1980 Britain

Thought Co.

[Unthinking Majority]

The end of unilateral impositions on indigenous people by Washington, for one.

Like what?

[Pants-of-dog]

I have no ignored the fact that the rest of you reject the fact that colonialism is happening.

I challenged it head on and showed how it was still happening.

Nor did I argue that indigenous people were all one unified society. I specifically discussed how some theorists think there was less war, which obviously implies that they were not one unified group.

So, @Drlee is wrong about both of those claims. I would address the rest, but his insulting manner makes me loathe to reply.

The main unilateral impositions are the imposition of capitalism, the loss of lands, the USA using lands and resources without free, prior, and informed consent, and the loss of self-government.

[QatzelOk]

As much as I find Pants's arguments compelling, and even though I want to mention that Justin Trudeau yelling that "Random Guy-do" is the president of Venezuela is a classic case of colonialism.

As much as I want to mention that Justin Trudeau is working for mineral companies who want to extract profit from Venezuela, and he is just their PR.

As much as this is all Pure colonialism, it has little to do with gays and the reparations that they are or aren't owed. Unless you can make the link...