[AFAIK]

Wizards believe that future inventions will clean up our environmental mess. It's like a smoker saying he doesn't care if he gets lung cancer in 30 years because a cure might exist by then.

Good luck Chuck.

[Hong Wu]

Wizards believe that future inventions will clean up our environmental mess. It's like a smoker saying he doesn't care if he gets lung cancer in 30 years because a cure might exist by then.

Good luck Chuck.

This is ironic since future inventions are also meant to explain how extreme environmentalism would be economically workable.

What is clear is that researchers have already developed a way to pull carbon out of the air and turn it into fuel, this suggests that at least a limited form of fossil fuel use (and perhaps also a form of plastic production then) could continue indefinitely.

[SolarCross]

This is ironic since future inventions are also meant to explain how extreme environmentalism would be economically workable.

What is clear is that researchers have already developed a way to pull carbon out of the air and turn it into fuel, this suggests that at least a limited form of fossil fuel use (and perhaps also a form of plastic production then) could continue indefinitely.

Fossil fuels are great they are basically infinitely divisible energy batteries with completely biodegadable waste products. Even better they come pre-charged right out of the dirt.

It is ironic that ignorant environmentalists look at electrical metal-ion batteries as the superior alternative. Electrical batteries which to date have inferior energy density, require toxic metals in their manufacture, cannot be easily scaled (due to not being liquid) and require charging up before use which like as not basically has to come from burning up fossil fuels anyway.

It would be nice if we could have some environmentalists who were not silly and ignorant.

[Sivad]

It is also true that this group, from its control of funds, academic recommendations, and research or publication opportunities, could favor persons who accepted the established consensus and could injure, financially or in professional advancement, persons who did not accept it. It is also true that the established group, by its influence on book reviewing in The New York Times, the Herald Tribune, the Saturday Review, a few magazines, including the “liberal weeklies,” and in the professional journals, could advance or hamper any specialist’s career.

[Rancid]

I'm very competent in the language of metaphors.

Technologies are also about people pretending to have magical powers that they don't have. More chimeras.

A prophet is the one that tells you that the game of fake progress is over, that the wizards are causing a lot of harm that will take many more resources to cure than were actually produced by technological fake magic.

I see validity in what you are saying. Definitely. Many technologies have done nothing but isolate us more (which appears to be making us all less happy). However, I also believe we are not capable of stopping technological progression. Thus, I feel like we just need to figure out ways to deal with all of the negatives that technology brings.

It's almost as though we are driven to kill ourselves.

[Sivad]

“The available data on climate change, however, do not support these predictions, nor do they support the idea that human activity has caused, or will cause, a dangerous increase in global temperatures. …These facts indicate that theoretical estimates of the greenhouse problem have greatly exaggerated its seriousness.” – William Nierenberg

William Nierenberg, B.S. Physics, City College of New York (1939), M.A. Physics, Columbia University (1942), Ph.D. Physics, Columbia University (1947), Researcher, Manhattan Project, Columbia SAM Laboratories (1942-1945), Instructor in Physics, Columbia University (1946–1948), Assistant Professor of Physics, University of Michigan (1948–1950), Associate Professor of Physics, University of California, Berkeley (1950-1953), Professor of Physics, University of California, Berkeley (1954–1965), Assistant Secretary General for Scientific Affairs, NATO (1960-1962), Director Emeritus, Scripps Institution of Oceanography (1965-1986), Member, White House Task Force on Oceanography (1969-1970), Member, National Academy of Sciences (1971), Chairman, National Advisory Committee on Oceans and Atmosphere (1971-1975), Member, National Advisory Committee on Oceans and Atmosphere (1971–1978), Member, National Science Board (1972–1978, 1982–1988), Chairman, Advisory Council, NASA (1978-1982), Member, Space Panel, Naval Studies Board, National Research Council (1978–1984), Member, Council of the National Academy of Sciences (1979-1982), Chairman, Carbon Dioxide Assessment Committee, National Academy of Sciences (1980–1983), NASA Distinguished Public Service Medal (1982), (Died: September 10, 2000)

Notable: Manhattan Project Member and Director Emeritus of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography.

[Hindsite]

I'm very competent in the language of metaphors.

Technologies are also about people pretending to have magical powers that they don't have. More chimeras.

A prophet is the one that tells you that the game of fake progress is over, that the wizards are causing a lot of harm that will take many more resources to cure than were actually produced by technological fake magic.

So you would rather pay attention to the false prophets of global warming and climate change instead of real scientists even though following the fake prophets will ruin our economy.

[Truth To Power]

It would be nice if we could have some environmentalists who were not silly and ignorant.

Or just flat-out anti-human ("Humanity is a cancer on the earth."). There are some environmental issues I consider real: overfishing, toxic waste, desertification, a few others. But most -- CO2, biodiversity, nuclear power, habitat preservation, etc. -- are ridiculous hysteria.

[Hindsite]

Or just flat-out anti-human ("Humanity is a cancer on the earth."). There are some environmental issues I consider real: overfishing, toxic waste, desertification, a few others. But most -- CO2, biodiversity, nuclear power, habitat preservation, etc. -- are ridiculous hysteria.

Isn't the nuclear waste problem from power plants real? Or did you put that into toxic waste?

[QatzelOk]

I feel like we just need to figure out ways to deal with all of the negatives that technology brings.

We aren't dealing with any of them now as a species. We are living in denial of them. By the time the vendors of poison technologies are ready to let us change, we will be dead.

It's almost as though we are driven to kill ourselves.

The animals that are the most likely to kill themselves are captive animals - pets, like dolphins in captivity.

One final question raised by Peña-Guzmán is whether captivity itself is a risk factor for animal suicide. Some of the self-destructive behaviors recorded in the ethological literature arise from stresses related to captivity: self-biting, self-mutilation, self-endangerment. “If,” he writes, “certain animals are shown by future research to be statistically more likely to self-destruct in certain environments, we may have a moral duty to change those environments or relocate those animals.” This could be a game changer.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/bl ... al-suicide

[Drlee]

Fossil fuels are great they are basically infinitely divisible energy batteries with completely biodegadable waste products. Even better they come pre-charged right out of the dirt.

It is ironic that ignorant environmentalists look at electrical metal-ion batteries as the superior alternative. Electrical batteries which to date have inferior energy density, require toxic metals in their manufacture, cannot be easily scaled (due to not being liquid) and require charging up before use which like as not basically has to come from burning up fossil fuels anyway.

Not one bit of this is true. Amazing. The funniest part was this:

Fossil fuels are great they are basically infinitely divisible energy batteries with completely biodegadable waste products. Even better they come pre-charged right out of the dirt.

That is funny. Trump funny.

Thank you Sivad for quoting as a source a physicist who died two decades ago. I see you are going to go off on your name-calling denial shit again. You will google a few outliers and decide that the are right and the overwhelming majority of scientists from every country in the world are wrong. Tedious. Inevitable but very tedious.

[Truth To Power]

Isn't the nuclear waste problem from power plants real? Or did you put that into toxic waste?

Some nuclear waste is extremely toxic; but most isn't, and it's a solvable problem if approached rationally. No-nukes hysterics claim just living near a nuclear power plant is toxic, which is absurd. They don't seem capable of understanding the concept or implications of natural background radiation.

[Pants-of-dog]

Fossil fuels are great they are basically infinitely divisible energy batteries with completely biodegadable waste products. Even better they come pre-charged right out of the dirt.

Ignoring the obviously incorrect line about infinitely divisible, how do you get that they are biodegradable? Also, you are ignoring toxicity and environmental impact.

It is ironic that ignorant environmentalists look at electrical metal-ion batteries as the superior alternative. Electrical batteries which to date have inferior energy density, require toxic metals in their manufacture, cannot be easily scaled (due to not being liquid) and require charging up before use which like as not basically has to come from burning up fossil fuels anyway.

It would be nice if we could have some environmentalists who were not silly and ignorant.

Actually, the best option is to not have a car at all.

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It is also true that this group, from its control of funds, academic recommendations, and research or publication opportunities, could favor persons who accepted the established consensus and could injure, financially or in professional advancement, persons who did not accept it. It is also true that the established group, by its influence on book reviewing in The New York Times, the Herald Tribune, the Saturday Review, a few magazines, including the “liberal weeklies,” and in the professional journals, could advance or hamper any specialist’s career.

This sounds like a conspiracy theory.

“The available data on climate change, however, do not support these predictions, nor do they support the idea that human activity has caused, or will cause, a dangerous increase in global temperatures. …These facts indicate that theoretical estimates of the greenhouse problem have greatly exaggerated its seriousness.” – William Nierenberg

You really like these aeguments from authority.

In this case, this article was also funded by an openly biased conservative think tank.

Instead of an article that is actually trying to be objective.

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[Hindsite]

Some nuclear waste is extremely toxic; but most isn't, and it's a solvable problem if approached rationally. No-nukes hysterics claim just living near a nuclear power plant is toxic, which is absurd. They don't seem capable of understanding the concept or implications of natural background radiation.

That's good to know since I live 40 miles from Plant Vogtle in Waynesboro, Georgia.

[LaDexter]

Sad, that our politically charged group of doomsayers cannot even get the correct answer to the question....

WHAT is the greatest threat to humanity on Earth today?


A: HUMAN OVERPOPULATION

[Drlee]

WHAT is the greatest threat to humanity on Earth today?

Without a doubt it is climate change.

But if you ask me, what, in the dark of night gives me the shakes, it is a virulent form of influenza.* The question is not whether we will have a great epidemic, but rather when. There are other biological genies which can escape their bottles but influenza could kill tens if not hundreds of millions in a matter of months. And if the strain is icky enough there is little we could do about it except compost the victims.


We could talk about AI.....

[SSDR]

The biggest political threats to the Earth are capitalism, Zionism, and Islamic imperialism. Americana is another big threat.

[Drlee]

The biggest political threats to the Earth are capitalism, Zionism, and Islamic imperialism. Americana is another big threat.

Oh good grief.

America might be a threat. It is big and transcendentally powerful and rich enough to project that power. This does not depend on its desire to adventure. It depends on the moderation of its government. Moderation that has disappeared.

There is no left in America at all. None. Zip. Some disenfranchised folks who think they are but they are abjectly powerless in US politics. The US is a center right to right wing country. It is, even at its most progressive, deeply conservative in many ways. Can it be pushed to war? Obviously. It has been done before.

The greatest threat from the US is the stunning power of its corporations. They can buy and sell countries. Power rests in very few people. You are wise to be cautious. Wise but in the end powerless to do anything about it.

[QatzelOk]

Some nuclear waste is extremely toxic; but most isn't, and it's a solvable problem if approached rationally. No-nukes hysterics claim just living near a nuclear power plant is toxic, which is absurd. They don't seem capable of understanding the concept or implications of natural background radiation.

You should show them some of the glossy reading material that the Nuclear Corporations published for PR purposes.

This might help them feel more comfortable with the concept of "healthy levels of old-fashioned and perfectly natural background radiation."

[Stormsmith]

if you ask me, what, in the dark of night gives me the shakes, it is a virulent form of influenza.*

So that Jeff Bezos dude is going to wind up with all the money in the world? Hell's bells...