[ness31]

I felt uncomfortable watching the latest address

[Reichstraten]

I've never seen her this angry before.
It indeed makes you feel uncomfortable, but that's her aim after all.

[Pants-of-dog]

I do have a problem when prophesies of an imminent apocalypse brought to us by a teenager are legitimised at the highest political level.

Please note that this seems to have nothing to do with the previous complaints you made about her and her sponsors.

She is not a prophet, nor claims to be one. Nor is anyone predicting an imminent collapse of all society.

So, if the problem is that politicians are supposedly pandering to these things you imagine, then you have an imaginary problem,

Not affordable without a substantial reduction in living standards in the west.

Since no one is asking for this, this also seems imaginary.

Please note that the money that will be lost to climate change is far more than the paltry sums being asked to mitigate it.

It's a common left wing fallacy to assume that pointing out a problem means we must want to abolish something, probably because that's the usual left wing solution.

This seems more like a stereotype about progressives and leftists than an actual objective observation.

Is there a problem if some companies profit from renewable energy?

[Presvias]

Since no one is asking for this, this also seems imaginary.

Please note that the money that will be lost to climate change is far more than the paltry sums being asked to mitigate it.

Precisely, it's pointless pontificating about living standards in the west if there are none thanks to climate change

Also, we don't even know 100% whether any measures will have an effect, even if we reduce emissions by 90%+ we might still experience a 'medieval warm period' type event.

(shrug)

[maz]

The PR slicks even gave Greta the same hair braid as the hunger games girl:

It's just all so carefully scripted. Even the white men who are popping up to criticize her is part of the script because white man = bad, open borders and climate refugees = good.

[Pants-of-dog]

Who is carefully scripting this and why?

[jimjam]

On Fox News (fair and balanced ), Michael Knowles referred to Thunberg as “a mentally ill Swedish child who is being exploited by her parents and by the international left," then doubled down and called her “mentally ill” a second time. The network subsequently apologized for his remarks.

Same ole same ole hate garbage from the plutocracy that they resort to when they discern a threat to their god …… money/power. What more proof do we need that Greta has hit the nail squarely on the head.


A great juxtaposition of corruption and idealism:


Obese Donald and his EZ-Go



While Greta at age 16 crosses the Atlantic solo

[maz]

Who is carefully scripting this and why?

Who could know? Maybe one of her handlers, maybe a PR firm or maybe even someone from the UN? She was reading from a script.

It certainly is clever to coach a 16 year old girl to cry like actresses do in Hollywood because who is going to oppose and dare to criticize a crying girl.

these days we have the internet and we can remember "Nurse Nariyah" and the PR firm who handled her speech.

Greta's speech and Nurse Nariyah's speeches have all of the same elements; females crying over children being harmed, and demands that governments do something.

[Pants-of-dog]

So, it is a mysterious and shadowy cabal who are doing it for secret purposes?

[Sivad]

I felt uncomfortable watching the latest address

Because it was ridiculous and contrived? I got that cringey feeling from it too.

[maz]

So, it is a mysterious and shadowy cabal who are doing it for secret purposes?

No you are right. It is a 16 year old girl who sat outside of her school one day who was, in a matter of a few short months able to become a global media sensation, appear all over television, recording with musical celebrities, meeting President Obama and other global leaders and aligning herself very closely with astroturf street movements, all by herself, for secret purposes

[Pants-of-dog]

No you are right. It is a 16 year old girl who sat outside of her school one day who was, in a matter of a few short months able to become a global media sensation, appear all over television, recording with musical celebrities, meeting President Obama and other global leaders and aligning herself very closely with astroturf street movements, all by herself, for secret purposes

I am not going to address this strawman you created in order to deflect away from the holes in your argument.

Now, can you or can you not identify who is supposedly scripting this?

Why are they scripting this? What is the objective?

[maz]

I am not asking you to address anything. You may as well be asking me rhetorical questions at this point

[Rancid]

It's just all so carefully scripted. Even the white men who are popping up to criticize her is part of the script because white man = bad, open borders and climate refugees = good.

Hopefully you can unearth this grand conspiracy

[Sivad]

Who could know?

We know exactly who's behind it:

Perhaps her amazing global reach is understandable when we consider that Greta’s rapid emergence upon the World stage didn’t just ‘happen,’ but rather appears to have been carefully coordinated by grown ups. Her initial protest fortuitously coincided with the publication of her mother’s book. Greta’s mum, the opera singer Malena Ernman, worked with PR man Ingmar Rentzhog, who promoted her publication.

Rentzhog, coincidentally, launched his climate change social media campaign group “We Don’t Have the Time” the same day that Greta first started her protest. Making a tidy sum along the way.

Greta’s father, Swedish actor Svante Thunberg, said that the family knew nothing about Rentzhog’s use of Greta’s campaign to bring attention to his new lobby group. Surprising that Rentzhog never mentioned it to him when he was promoting his wife’s book. However, Rentzhog skill in public relations, and status as one of multi-millionaire venture capitalist Al Gore’s ‘climate network leaders,’ possibly helped to get Greta’s message out.
https://in-this-together.com/youth-stri ... ropaganda/


also see:

The Manufacturing of Greta Thurnberg
http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2019/01 ... l-complex/

[Sivad]

Everything was carefully planned to transform the young Swede into an international heroine


In fact, Ingmar Rentzhog and Greta’s family already know each other, having taken part in a climate conference on May 4, 2018. The encounter between Ingmar and Greta on the pavement in front of the Parliament in Stockholm was hardly by chance then.

Everything was carefully planned to transform the young Swede into an international heroine, right from the time the first article appeared in the most read paper of the country, Aftonbladet — only a few hours after Rentzhog’s Facebook post.

We Don’t Have Time, the start-up Rentzhog co-founded in 2016, aims to create a social network of more than 100 million members who will influence politicians and business leaders to do more to tackle climate change. That’s what’s on their website at least.

Now this is where it gets complicated. Among the shareholders of the start-up, we find members of the two interconnected families: the Perssons, children of the billionaire Sven Olof Persson, who made their fortune in large part by selling cars (Bilbolaget Nord AB), and the Rentzhogs. The two families of investors, who met in the region of Jämtland, have no connections to environmentalism, they are specialists in finance.

In May 2018, Ingmar Rentzhog is recruited as chairman of Global Utmaning (Global Change), a think tank promoting sustainable development. It declares itself politically independent. Its founder is none other than Kristina Persson, daughter of the billionaire and former Social Democrat minister (2014–2016) who was responsible for strategic development and Nordic co-operation. An analysis of the think tank’s tweets reveals strong political engagement. At the beginning of the EU election campaign we see a focus towards an alliance covering the Social Democrats to the Swedish right. “Nationalisms” — emerging all over Europe and internationally — are painted as the enemy. Ideas which would go down well with our dear President Macron.

On 16 January, 2019, Global Utmaning proudly announced on its social media its new collaboration with Global Shapers, a community of young leaders aged between 20 and 30 “equipped with strong potential to play a role in the future of society and who work to improve the situation of populations around them”. This network was created by the World Economic Forum in 2011.

[maz]

We know exactly who's behind it

Well, there you go Rancid; the grand conspiracy has been uncovered.

The evil empire is surely Sweden, not Russia, China or Iran

[Political Interest]

She's just a baby. Let her be a child. She doesn't need to be getting into hard political campaigns like this. That's the choice you make when you're past the age of majority and when you have your own independent adult life. A 16 year old does not know what they believe even if they think they do. That's not to say what a 16 year old thinks is invalid or immature, but it's all still evolving. You don't fully develop your world view until at least your mid 20s.

But having said that she is very brave. She gives strong political speeches. It takes courage to make these types of speeches, especially for a teenager.

She's clearly very intelligent. But she's too young.

The problem is that we need more adults with this level of conviction. Why is this left to a girl to do this? Why can't adults express themselves with such passion and enthusiasm for a good cause?

[Rugoz]

After watching a few videos, she certainly seems capable of talking unscripted and her world view, while obviously influenced by her environment, doesn't seem manufactured.

Naturally she displays the naivite of a 16-year old.

[foxdemon]

She's just a baby. Let her be a child. She doesn't need to be getting into hard political campaigns like this. That's the choice you make when you're past the age of majority and when you have your own independent adult life. A 16 year old does not know what they believe even if they think they do. That's not to say what a 16 year old thinks is invalid or immature, but it's all still evolving. You don't fully develop your world view until at least your mid 20s.

But having said that she is very brave. She gives strong political speeches. It takes courage to make these types of speeches, especially for a teenager.

She's clearly very intelligent. But she's too young.

The problem is that we need more adults with this level of conviction. Why is this left to a girl to do this? Why can't adults express themselves with such passion and enthusiasm for a good cause?

I don’t see a problem with people that young getting up and doing stuff. Beethoven and Einstein did a lot of their work while teenagers and into their early 20’s. Kate Bush would be a more recent example. If a kid has talent, then why not let them start doing their thing?

But that isn’t the problem.

The problem is Greta is a figure who can’t be criticised. “Who could be so mean to say anything bad about this brave young lady?” That is why conservatives are reacting so negatively. It is seen as a typical progressive stunt to use emotion and appearances to force their agenda without debate.