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Pants-of-dog wrote:If we look at the per capita numbers for greenhouse gases, they probably are using a much higher amount of clean energy than North America.


I will give you this one because I have come across many sources which list China as the top producer of "green energy." Although I did find one that also list the US as the top producer as well depending on how you word the search.

That being said, Greta was allowed to come to the US and run her mouth about Americans and it's leadership for not signing on to the Paris agreement despite the US being one of the top green energy producers.

Pants-of-dog wrote:Provide evidence that scientists have been made wrong predictions.


I will give you one - The UN "disappears" 50 million climate refugees, then botches the disappearing attempt

Hoo boy, government bureaucratic idiocy at its finest. Not only is the original claim bogus, the attempts to disappear it are hilariously inept. Apparently, they’ve never heard of Google Cache at the UN. Rather than simply say “we were wrong”, they’ve now brought even more distrust onto the UN.

Back on April 11th, Gavin Atkins of Asian Correspondent asked this simple question:
What happened to the climate refugees?

It is a valid question, and he backs it up with census numbers. Here’s the first part of his story:

In 2005, the United Nations Environment Programme predicted that climate change would create 50 million climate refugees by 2010. These people, it was said, would flee a range of disasters including sea level rise, increases in the numbers and severity of hurricanes, and disruption to food production.

The UNEP even provided a handy map. The map shows us the places most at risk including the very sensitive low lying islands of the Pacific and Caribbean.


It so happens that just a few of these islands and other places most at risk have since had censuses, so it should be possible for us now to get some idea of the devastating impact climate change is having on their populations. Let’s have a look at the evidence:

Bahamas:

Nassau, The Bahamas – The 2010 national statistics recorded that the population growth increased to 353,658 persons in The Bahamas. The population change figure increased by 50,047 persons during the last 10 years.

St Lucia:
The island-nation of Saint Lucia recorded an overall household population increase of 5 percent from May 2001 to May 2010 based on estimates derived from a complete enumeration of the population of Saint Lucia during the conduct of the recently completed 2010 Population and Housing Census.

Seychelles:

Population 2002, 81755

Population 2010, 88311

Solomon Islands:

The latest Solomon Islands population has surpassed half a million – that’s according to the latest census results.

It’s been a decade since the last census report, and in that time the population has leaped 100,000.

Only one small problem there UN people, a little annoyance called Google cache, which has that page archived here.

It pulls up this page that had been removed, with the 50 million refugees title, but the map is missing. Click to enlarge.

Fear not dear readers, because as astoundingly smart as those UN people think they are, they forgot one very important yet tiny detail. The map links to a hi-resolution version of the “climate refugee map” and if you delete the page above and the map it contains, you also have to delete the hi-res image it links to.

http://maps.grida.no/library/files/stor ... climat.png

Ooops.

I’m always happy to help the UN in times of “need”, sooooo I’ve recovered it and saved it here on WUWT, because that image link is likely to go down the memory hole on Monday.

Here’s the map at web resolution as it would have appeared in the disappeared web page above.

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And there you have it folks, another bogus climate claim rubbished by reality, followed by an inept cover up attempt.

Thanks to the reality of census numbers, followed by the UN’s handling of this, we can now safely say that the claim is “climate refugees” is total fantasy. Be sure to leave comments on any website that makes this claim, and link to this and the Asian Correspondent website.

Kudos to Gavin Atkins for asking this simple question after 6 years of this fantasy being used to push an agenda

UPDATE: A couple of commenters asked for the source of the predictions. Happy to oblige. This is what the UNEP web page originally said and the author cited:

Fifty million climate refugees by 2010. Today we find a world of asymmetric development, unsustainable natural resource use, and continued rural and urban poverty. There is general agreement about the current global environmental and development crisis. It is also known that the consequences of these global changes have the most devastating impacts on the poorest, who historically have had limited entitlements and opportunities for growth.

Sources Norman Myers, ‘Environmental refugees, An emergent security issue’, 13. Economic forum, Prague, OSCE, May 2005 ; Millennium Ecosystem Assessment, 2005 ; Liser, 2007.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:Find a link to the actual predictions.

I am not trusting whatever biased website you found.


The cached links are there in the article.

Are you denying that the UN made the ridiculous prediction of 50 million climate refugees?

colliric wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/feb/23/great-thunberg-malena-ernman-our-house-is-on-fire-memoir-extract

Holy shit.


As if her childhood isn't traumatic enough for some, the school takes it even further and traumatizes these children even more with this propaganda.?


In school one day, Greta’s class watches a film about how much rubbish there is in the oceans. An island of plastic, larger than Mexico, is floating around in the South Pacific. Greta cries throughout the film. Her classmates are also clearly moved.

She saw what the rest of us did not want to see. It was as if she could see our CO2 emissions with her naked eye. The invisible, colourless, scentless, soundless abyss that our generation has chosen to ignore. She saw all of it – not literally, of course, but nonetheless she saw the greenhouse gases streaming out of our chimneys, wafting upwards with the winds and transforming the atmosphere into a gigantic, invisible garbage dump.

She was the child, we were the emperor. And we were all naked.

‘You celebrities are basically to the environment what anti immigrant politicians are to multicultural society,” Greta says at the breakfast table early in 2016. I guess it’s true. Not just of celebrities, but of the vast majority of people. Everyone wants to be successful, and nothing conveys success and prosperity better than luxury, abundance and travel, travel, travel.

Greta scrolls through my Instagram feed. She’s angry. “Name a single celebrity who’s standing up for the climate! Name a single celebrity who is prepared to sacrifice the luxury of flying around the world!”
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@Kaiserschmarrn

You previously asked me to provide an example of what you described in the OP.

Would this suffice?

https://www.independent.co.uk/environme ... 6.html?amp

    Anti-Greta: Far-right groups trying to turn teenager into climate change-denying version of Greta Thunberg

    ‘Do not create an ideology out of something that a young girl has to say,’ says Naomi Seibt, apparently without a trace of irony

    A 19-year-old German climate change sceptic who has been described by her supporters as “the antidote to Greta Thunberg”, is gaining support from right-wing organisations, including Germany’s far-right party AfD party, and a think tank with links to The White House.

    Naomi Seibt began uploading videos to YouTube last year, with titles such as “Climate change – just hot air?”, “Fierce without Feminism”, and “Message to the Media – HOW DARE YOU?”.

    Her stance on the climate apparently caught the attention of The Heartland Institute, a US think tank based in Chicago, which has previously lobbied on behalf of tobacco firms, supports fracking and rejects the scientific consensus on climate change.

    The organisation, which reportedly “has the ear of the Trump administration”, and held its 2019 International Conference on Climate Change at the Trump International Hotel in Washington, recently hired Ms Seibt as the face of its climate denial campaign.

    In a video put out by the Heartland Institute, titled “Naomi Seibt vs Greta Thunberg: Whom Should We Trust?”, Ms Seibt begins: “Science is entirely based on intellectual humility and it is important that we keep questioning the narrative that it out there instead of promoting it, and these days climate change science really isn’t science at all.”

    In between cuts from footage of Thunberg’s 2019 address to the UN in New York, Ms Seibt says: “Climate change alarmism at its very core is a despicably anti-human ideology”.

    In an interview in the video, Ms Seibt says she rejects being called a “climate denier”, because she says “especially as a German, it is so rude to refer to someone as a climate denier because obviously there is a connection to the term ‘holocaust denier’, which carries a lot of weight in Germany.”

    In the blurb on its video, the institute decries Thunberg’s “doomsday climate predictions” and describes Ms Seibt as “a rising star”, who “advocates for proper scientific discourse over climate change.”

    The Heartland Institute’s support and promotion of Seibt has set alarm bells ringing.

    While Ms Thunberg has become a global phenomenon, winning support from concerned people across the world, and becoming Time magazine’s person of the year, those remaining groups and individuals threatened by the weight of climate science appear to believe Ms Seibt is some sort of opposition figure who can inspire people through similar means.

    “She’s a fantastic voice for free markets and for climate realism,” James Taylor, director of the Arthur B Robinson Centre for Climate and Environmental Policy at The Heartland Institute, told The Washington Post.

    But while The Heartland Institute is “one of the most notorious climate change denial groups in the United States” – according to environment website DeSmog UK, Ms Seibt has not made a case for outright denial of the climate crisis.

    In a video published this month, Ms Seibt instead argues the scientists have overstated the impact of emissions on the planet’s climate, and she also asks if researchers have considered the “immense impact that the sun has on the climate in comparison to CO2 emissions.”

    After reinterpreting the scientific data for a live audience to indicate CO2 emissions are not much to worry about, she then adds: “We must not make ourselves the victim of a tight tax corset”, adding, “we must not deny ourselves, or the people from awfully poor third world countries access to cheap and reliable energy.”

    Her videos are accumulating tens of thousands of views, and together with reams of positive comments below, it is clear Ms Seibt is striking a chord with many.

    The overall message – one which is being facilitated by a right-wing think tank – is that business as usual is fine. She also aims to undermine existing efforts to combat climate change by suggesting activists deserve pity rather than anger.

    “Rage and panic belong to our opponents,” she says.

    In an earlier jibe at Ms Thunberg, Ms Seibt says: “Do not create an ideology out of something that a young girl has to say. Regardless of the political side she’s on.”

    But while Ms Thunberg is merely hammering home the science – that 97 per cent of peer-reviewed climate studies agree with the scientific consensus that manmade global warming is real – Ms Seibt appears to have more interest in ideology.

    Alongside her interest in climate denial, she has voiced concerns about immigration and feminism, and has previously spoken at events run by Germany’s far-right AfD (Alternative for Germany) party. She has denied being a member of the far-right group, but previous reports suggest she is or has been a member of the party’s youth wing.

    Ms Seibt’s mother is a lawyer who has reportedly represented politicians from the AfD in the past.
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“As the oligarchs financed, shaped and largely managed the climate movement – it’s only natural that they alone benefit from it. The power-elites repackaged our oppression as revolution and sold it back to us. By exploiting the innocent youth, which in turn exploited our emotions and fears as a collective populace, we devoured it.”


"we're making a business plan for the world"
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Canadian oilfield firm X-Site Energy Services gave its employees stickers depicting teenager Greta Thunberg naked and being sexually penetrated from behind with a man's hands pulling her braided hair. All with the company logo slapped below.

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/amp/entry/g ... 2210e12ff/

'The sticker, reading “X-Site Energy Services,” was handed out recently as promotional material at job sites to be worn on hard hats, the worker said.

Although the actual stickers weren’t distributed at their workplace, they said the graphic image was circulating among their colleagues on Wednesday. '

'Narang said she called the general manager of X-Site, Doug Sparrow, asking him if he knew about the sticker that appears to depict the rape of a minor. '
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Yes @BeesKnee5 and they are getting ripped apart in the media and everywhere else. I have no doubt that this is going to really hurt their business... and rightly so.

I know of no place where the depiction of under-age rape is "cool".



So, who is going to be the first douche-bag to defend this?
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a bunch of roughnecks are sneering at some little twit mascot of the globalist oligarchy. those brutes should be ashamed of themselves. how dare they!
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Sivad wrote:a bunch of roughnecks are sneering at some little twit mascot of the globalist oligarchy. those brutes should be ashamed of themselves. how dare they!


They are sneering at her by depicting her being raped, and they think this is a funny and useful message.

But let us ignore your support for sexual assault for a second and look at Thunberg’s message.

what exactly does she say that is wrong?
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Pants-of-dog wrote: your support for sexual assault


PoD was just dying to call someone a rapist. He was peeing his dog pants waiting for someone to be less than performatively outraged by a stupid hardhat sticker. :lol:
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Pants-of-dog wrote:
Your celebration of her being depicted as being raped says a lot about you


We should do an over-under on how many more times he's gonna call me a rapist. I'm thinking it's like woke tourettes and he's gonna have to do it at least two more times just to satisfy the compulsion and get it out of his system.
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Sivad wrote:
We should do an over-under on how many more times he's gonna call me a rapist. I'm thinking it's like woke tourettes and he's gonna have to do it at least two more times just to satisfy the compulsion and get it out of his system.


He's not called you a rapist.

Any reason why you are avoiding his question?
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