@Palmyrene
If you'd look at anasawad's meltdown, a great deal of the population (i.e. the poor and slightly middle class) does identify as Arab and if you've been following our debate you'd know that every single suspicion I've had has come true.
The majority of the population of Lebanon are either Christians maronites mainly Merchants and service sector, all are middle class due to the strong local well fare system supporting them organized by various churches, or in the Baalbek tribes who are mixed between all religions and have a system of communal ownership and land and thus there is no poverty.
Another place where you demonstrate your ignorance of the words you use.
The Areas I mentioned are a minority areas and that's where all the Arab nationalists live.
Most areas of Lebanon are not "poor".
No it isn't. The actual borders of modern day Lebanon weren't actually formalized until the French had their final say. Previously, Lebanon was proposed stretched all the way to Sinai and parta of coastal Syria. It is completely artificial.
The borders are geographically defined.
For fuck's sake, It's been like that for thousands of years because there are fucking mountains between us and the other areas.
No, it isn't. Mentioning the Epic of Gilgamesh which has several translations that don't mention Lebanon is not enough.
Where else does Cedar forests exists ?
Ok. Here's how genetics works. Just because you have some admixture from other races does not mean you are said admixture. It's necessary to understand that the category of Canaanite itself is a superfluous one which has been given due to simply not knowing what they themselves referred to themselves.
Arabs are from Hijaz and Yemen, they're of different genetic group.
Canaanites are the ones who originally were in the Levant. Canaanites are split into multi nations and ethnic groups which includes Lebanese people, Aramaeans, and Jews as the majority.
The point of the matter is that a majority Lebanese people refer to themselves as Arab and see themselves as similar to other Arabs.
False
They have done so since the 11th century and onward.
More bullshit.
Firstly, the Syrian government at the time operated under Ba'athist ideology which legitimatized all expansion as a part of meeting the goal of pan-Arabism. Thus, they had a Caisus Belli for all conquest.
The late Assad used this excuse to start an occupation of Lebanon which itself was started due to political issues. Hanna Batatu talks about this in his class analysis of Syria.
The Syrian occupation of Lebanon used the facade of pan-Arabism to justify conquest. It had nothing to do with Lebanon not being Arab. It was because Lebanon identified as Arab that let Assad justify his conquest.
Secondly, there's plenty of non Arab heritage sites in Arabia too and the Gulf as well. This doesn't mean the current, contemporary inhabitants of those areas aren't Arab. Same goes for Lebanon.
Syria needed Lebanon to forcably change its constitution and declare it self as an Arab country in order to be able to justify its conquest and military occupation, which is what the taif agreement is about.
The people in Lebanon are not Arabs, and never saw themselves as Arabs.
The various revolts, wars, etc over the past centuries were all for the same reason, to repel Arabs from the area.
1. No one is native to any particular land. Every human group migrated to land at some point.
Then you don't know what native is. Unsurprisingly ofcourse.
2. Saying that there is a minority that lived in Lebanon before Arabs is different from saying they are all that minority.
You're the one saying that. You're saying that the minority of Arabs is all there is.
3. There is no such thing as a Lebanese ethnicity. No ethnicity in Lebanon identifies as such. Even the one you're referring to are Aramaic.
Aramaic people do exist in Lebanon, along with other minorities just as Arabs do.
However in overall, a majority or semi majority are native Lebanese.
I'm arguing that the majority identify as Arab and thus are. That is the rules of cultural affiliation. If there was no consent to it then such genetic ties would be meaningless.
A minority only identifies as Arab.
And if you go to non-Arab communities and called them Arabs, you'll be shot.
May I refer you to the case of Mohammed Trabolsi, a Sunni Imam who went to Baalbek and declared long live the Arab nation, then had a clip emptied in his head right after as a good example of what will happen.
You see, no one really likes Arab nationalists, especially when they try to enforce their colonialism on us and force their Arab identity on us.
Yeah I'm a pan-Arabist for thinking Lebanon is an artifical state. Totally.
An "artificial state" with a long list of dynasties and monarchs and sets of laws extending over several thousands of years.
Yup, that's what artificial states usually have, they all have thousands of years of history of governments in them.
No. Pan-Arabism politically by this point is dead. There are no pan-Arab powers that exist. The Gulf isn't even interested in integration.
This is the equivalent of making up a boogie man to "unite" people.
Apparent by you parroting their ideas.
You mean the areas where people identify as Arabs? I.e. a majority of the population?
No, a countable number of areas with a minority of the population.
Looks like I was right. It is racism or refusal to associate with the lower classes.
If it's racist to dislike the Arabs. Then I'm more than proud to be racist in this instance.
And the only reason why these areas are poor is because they constantly import Arab nationalist ideas and apply it to govern their areas, along with the entailed corruption of these ideologies.
Omg. Wait are you bourgeoise too? Please say yes so I can prove my theory to @ingliz.
You don't know what that word means.
Also that only upper class Maronites/non-Arabs refuse to identify as such.
You mean Maronites, Greek and Russian Orthodox, and the Baalbek tribes refuse to identify as Arabs ?
Those pretty much account for atleast 80% of the population on their own.
I won the argument in the best way possible.
The only thing you did is prove your ignorance and the success of pan-Arabists and Islamists in brainwashing vast swathes of the population.
Wow such a hatred and distaste for the poor. Such vitriol hatred and contempt. You point to the socio economic condition of blacks for their behavior yet claim that pan-Arabism is the cause of all ills in the Lebanese poor.
You know, the way talk about the poor im Lebanon is similar to how less sympathetic caste nobles in India discussed the peasantry. The peasantry suffer for being sinful or, in your case, being pan-Arabist. It is only the pure, non-Arabs who are closest to achieving enlightenment.
But what is this enlightenment? What are it's implications?
I'm sure you can't answer that question
There is no specific system that can do that, rather many can.
But we are fully experienced in how Pan arabists, nationalists, Islamists, and baathists run things and how it does lead to this poverty and ruin.
It's a matter of ideology not race. Unfortunetly, Arabs are mainly following these ideologies.
The reason why it is true is because all other groups in Lebanon, of various races, ethnicities, and cultures all managed to get out of the poverty they were in (including Baalbek which was dead poor just 40 years ago) right after they decided to remove all these influences coming from the Arabs. And not in one specific system, but rather a whole set of systems and policies and they all succeeded.
Weird, right?
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Note:
Majority of poor people in Lebanon at the moment are in areas directly under Hezbollah and the future movement control, along with Palestinian camps under Hamas rule, along with the recent Syrian refugees, majority of them living in Hezbollah territories.