- 16 Jul 2020 14:53
#15107912
Here you're merely nit-picking, only mentioning the *timeframe*, and ignoring the overall Palestinian-struggle issue itself.
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Okay, so you're acknowledging that there's a power relation, and that Israel can 'propose' yet-another land annexation, while the Palestinians can't exactly 'propose' getting their land back.
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You're mixing *two definitions* together -- the 'disenchanted', and active counterrevolutionaries.
Not all who are 'fence-sitters', or are not-supportive of a revolution in-progress, are automatically *counterrevolutionaries*. They simply can not-oppose, as many people have done regarding Black Lives Matter protests, and then the movement takes its course, according to the collective actions of active *participants*, while those who sideline themselves are simply not-active, and non-deterministic.
ckaihatsu wrote:
No, I'm not moralizing -- I keep focusing on the dynamic of 'balance-of-power', which is an *empirical* quality, and has nothing to do with my own sense of 'morality', or personal opinionating in any way.
You're going off on a tangent of *irrelevance*, to overly focus on the Cast Lead period in particular, without advancing any political point, position, or politics for such, while *ignoring* the overall historic power relations.
wat0n wrote:
Not really, the figures span from 2000 to nowadays. But denial is easier.
Here you're merely nit-picking, only mentioning the *timeframe*, and ignoring the overall Palestinian-struggle issue itself.
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ckaihatsu wrote:
Has Israel been able to exercise its political will more readily, against the interests of Palestinians, moreso than vice-versa?
wat0n wrote:
Yes, but the latter still get plenty of support and protection from other countries.
ckaihatsu wrote:
Oh, you think this is all a *popularity contest*. No, politics doesn't work that way.
wat0n wrote:
It's not about popularity, simply a protection that does constrain Israeli actions there - such as the proposed annexation law that so far is just that, a proposal. Isn't that a form of soft power?
Okay, so you're acknowledging that there's a power relation, and that Israel can 'propose' yet-another land annexation, while the Palestinians can't exactly 'propose' getting their land back.
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wat0n wrote:
Even during the French Revolution, there were fence sitters. Oh, and let's not forget the most dangerous counter-revolutionaries: The disenchanted, those who feel the Revolution was a sham and become rabid counter-revolutionaries.
ckaihatsu wrote:
Source, please. Who are you talking about, exactly, when you say 'the disenchanted'?
(My point stands that revolution is a profoundly *polarizing* event and that people don't really 'sit-out' a revolution.)
wat0n wrote:
I'm referring to people who desert the revolution.
You're mixing *two definitions* together -- the 'disenchanted', and active counterrevolutionaries.
Not all who are 'fence-sitters', or are not-supportive of a revolution in-progress, are automatically *counterrevolutionaries*. They simply can not-oppose, as many people have done regarding Black Lives Matter protests, and then the movement takes its course, according to the collective actions of active *participants*, while those who sideline themselves are simply not-active, and non-deterministic.