[Beren]

While people, after a series of Qatzism 101 sessions around the campfire, still didn't understand what technology really was, AI convinced them with one simple essay published in The Guardian that it was completely harmless and they had no reason to fear it whatsoever.

[ckaihatsu]

The Doomsday Chronicles in 2147 A.D. wrote:

While people, after a series of Qatzism 101 sessions around the campfire, still didn't understand what technology really was, AI convinced them with one simple essay published in The Guardian that it was completely harmless and they had no reason to fear it whatsoever.

AI goes after the British periodicals first.


x D

[Beren]

AI goes after the British periodicals first.

It's completely indifferent to British periodicals if Qatzism or AI takes over, their days are numbered either way. However, AI is more likely to succeed because it expresses its thoughts and ideas and communicates with humans with orders of magnitude more effectively than Qatzians do.

[ckaihatsu]

It's completely indifferent to British periodicals if Qatzism or AI takes over, their days are numbered either way. However, AI is more likely to succeed because it expresses its thoughts and ideas and communicates with humans with orders of magnitude more effectively than Qatzians do.

I SSHed into the GPT-3 AI and it told me to go jump off a cliff.

Now what?

[Beren]

I SSHed into the GPT-3 AI and it told me to go jump off a cliff.

Now what?

It's always a considerable option.

[Rancid]

Here's a one sentence description of what AI really is:

Throwing a few hundred trillion/billion guesses at a problem until something sticks. Then you use that solution that stuck, and funny enough, you have no idea why that one solution seems to work better than all others. Seriously, that's how AI works.

Give me a PHD in AI reserach. NOW

[ckaihatsu]

It's always a considerable option.

Whoa! Where'd *that* come from?

What'd I ever do to *you*, Beren?

Here's a one sentence description of what AI really is:

Throwing a few hundred trillion/billion guesses at a problem until something sticks. Then you use that solution that stuck, and funny enough, you have no idea why that one solution seems to work better than all others. Seriously, that's how AI works.

Give me a PHD in AI reserach. NOW

Yeah, kinda, though I prefer to think of it as 'statistical analysis', since it is.

[Beren]

Whoa! Where'd *that* come from?

What'd I ever do to *you*, Beren?

It's always a considerable option to anyone.

[QatzelOk]

For example, imagine if Europe and the USA agreed to stop developing and using technology in the late 1800's after the industrial revolution started, but Germany didn't abide, and they invented tanks and planes and machine guns and nuclear warheads but nobody else did. Germany would have conquered the world, and technology would have been spread throughout their conquered lands.

Here, you've resorted to the past to justify the present.

Now, let's justify the present using the future. "If China and Iran hadn't developed advanced bio-weapons in the 2030s, those countries would have been wiped out by the USA-EU-Israel bio-weapons. And that's why humans no longer exist."

You can apply this formula to advanced nukes, climate "healing" technologies, etc. Which one will drive humanity to extinction, is the only real question at this point in "history" (the stories we tell one another as a means to block reality)

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"TECHNOLOGIES REPLACE OTHER TECHNOLOGIES BECAUSE THEY ARE BETTER"

This assumption is a product of marketing. For example, "cars" are posited as having replaced bicycles, walking, horses, and mass transit (virtually all other ways of getting around) because "better."

But let's look at a fabricated example of tech replacement.

Let's say your child's elementary school has "water-pistol" battles on the hottest days of June, where kids are asked to bring their bathing suits to school and engage in a water pistol "battle" to get wet and cool off.

One day, a student brings "better tech": He arrives with an AK-47, and he is dressed in kevlar chain mail. He proceeds to shoot his AK-47 harmlessly into the air.

The next water pistol day, there is no one in the school yard with a water pistol. And this, according to all the media sources that take advertising dollars from the gun industry and lobbies, is an example of a better technology replacing an out-dated one.


Water pistols are sooooo last-century

Soon, all the kids who want to play outside, show up to school with AK-47s and dressed in kevlar chain-mail. The companies who sell this expensive merchandise celebrate the advancement of technology.

[ckaihatsu]

For example, imagine if Europe and the USA agreed to stop developing and using technology in the late 1800's after the industrial revolution started, but Germany didn't abide, and they invented tanks and planes and machine guns and nuclear warheads but nobody else did. Germany would have conquered the world, and technology would have been spread throughout their conquered lands.

I think this is a fair argument and is worth a straight response.

My own comment is that even the superpowers warmongers acknowledged that *nuclear* weapons are too destructive, and so now the prevailing international norms are to *not* use nuclear weapons in warfare, and most countries that have them, have them as a deterrent.

climate "healing" technologies

What's your beef with 'climate healing technologies', like rock dust?

[QatzelOk]

What's your beef with 'climate healing technologies', like rock dust?

The devastating side-effects of "future tech" (its application or universality) are always further into the future than the profits from its exploitation are. This leaves a guaranteed get-away car for any rich greed-bag who can play a small violin on TV. "Buy my new experimental product! It's for the children!"

This ensures the constant introduction of poison tech.

Highway promotion film from 1950s

[ckaihatsu]

The devastating side-effects of "future tech" (its application or universality) are always further into the future than the profits from its exploitation are. This leaves a guaranteed get-away car for any rich greed-bag who can play a small violin on TV.

This ensures the constant introduction of poison tech.

Okay, I'm in agreement, of course, and I can think of *bacteriological warfare* in our current era, but you're sidestepping my follow-up to your statement -- why are you demonizing 'climate healing technologies' -- ?

[Unthinking Majority]

The devastating side-effects of "future tech" (its application or universality) are always further into the future than the profits from its exploitation are. This leaves a guaranteed get-away car for any rich greed-bag who can play a small violin on TV. "Buy my new experimental product! It's for the children!"

This ensures the constant introduction of poison tech.

Highway promotion film from 1950s

As I've previously stated, you've brought up very valid concerns, but what is more important is what do you think we should do about it?

[Beren]

As I've previously stated, you've brought up very valid concerns, but what is more important is what do you think we should do about it?

Get rid of it completely, return to primitive farming, and naturally fuck our animals.

That's exactly we should really do about it.

That's Qatzism in a nutshell, all the rest is just technology to convince you.

[Unthinking Majority]

Get rid of it completely, return to primitive farming, and naturally fuck our animals.

That's exactly we should really do about it.

That's Qatzism in a nutshell, all the rest is just technology to convince you.

And then China or Russia doesn't do that and keeps the status quo and invents all sorts of new technological advances then militarily invades and conquers your country which is now filled with Amish farmers fighting with pitchforks. And now you're effed 100x harder.

[Beren]

And then China or Russia doesn't do that and keeps the status quo and invents all sorts of new technological advances then militarily invades and conquers your country which is now filled with Amish farmers fighting with pitchforks. And now you're effed 100x harder.

You just can't get out of the box, can you?

The Chinese and the Russians should do the same, of course, that should be a global movement. However, Qatz doesn't speak either Russian or Chinese, so he cannot try to convince them himself, it's supposed to be a job for fellow Russian and Chinese Qatzians.

[Unthinking Majority]

You just can't get out of the box, can you?

The Chinese and the Russians should do the same, of course, that should be a global movement. However, Qatz doesn't speak either Russian or Chinese, so he cannot try to convince them himself, it's supposed to be a job for fellow Russian and Chinese Qatzians.

Ya and he'll spend his life doing it, and if by some miracle it works, he convinced them and every single country backs off technology, throws out their tech and now farms.

But then some country in 20 years, let's say Zimbabwe, has some d!ck of a leader with a starving population and they decide to use tech to save lives, then invests in tech, then invents some military tech like weaponized nanotechnology, and Zimbabwe uses it to fly microscopic drones up the noses of every leader in world and self-detonates inside their brains, killing them all. Then Zimbabwe takes their crazy ultra-modern jets and robot AI armies and takes over the world.

And now we're effed. Fuck the Qatzians.

[Beren]

Fuck the Qatzians.

Whether is this your own opinion or have I just convinced you or made you have that opinion with my technology?

[Beren]

Qatzians are not so bad by definition, by the way. They're like Samurai Jack, who only has his sword, like Qatzians only have their words, against Aku and his evil technology.

[Beren]

Also, @Unthinking Majority, technology should be prevented from returning by any means possible and necessary, obviously. It's just a practical matter whether how it would be done, although it'd require some anti-technology technology, I'm afraid.

In my opinion it'd be the Cuban model all along because they could never reach their virtual endgame, such as being gorillas again, so they'd never quit their struggle against technology, like Socialists can never stop class struggle because they can never reach their virtual endgame (communism) as well.